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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Just purchased - but totally confused about X9 vs. x10

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Posted: 6th Mar 2010 13:08
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I just purchased FPS Creator from fpscreator.com.

But now, reading the forums, I hear lots of talk about X9 against X10, but can find no explanations anywhere of how these differ, other than that one uses DirectX 9 and the other uses DirectX 10. And these versions just don't seem to map onto the various 1.x version numbers that also get mentioned?

There's nothing in the website FAQ about this. Are they completely different programs sold by different companies? Because I see that X10 is sold for a different price, by a different company here: fpscreatorx10.com

Did I buy the wrong version?? Or will my purchased box contain _both_ the X9 and the X10 version?

If I had encountered this confusion before I'd sent my PayPal payment, I might have been put off purchasing completely. Other companies have a clear and simple "version matrix" - why can't FPS Creator do this??
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Posted: 6th Mar 2010 15:35 Edited at: 6th Mar 2010 15:35
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FPSc x10 has bloom abilities, the power of dx 10, dark AI (you can add alies without alot of wrk)its supposed to be more stabel than x9, but you need a supper fast pc.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2010 15:44
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Also, X9 is the only one that supports mods.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2010 15:55 Edited at: 6th Mar 2010 15:56
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And X10 only works in Vista.
And no, you don't get both when you buy X9 from the website.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2010 16:04 Edited at: 6th Mar 2010 16:12
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And they are completely different products. X10 is for better computers and looks better. However X9 is more compatible and is more widely used, so support is easier.

I think you jst bought the X9 version...In my humble opinion, this is better because it has support for mods which greatly improve your games, and people can help you more easily, as most things are made for X9.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2010 16:06 Edited at: 6th Mar 2010 16:07
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Its the same company that sells both. Its all The Game Creators, they just have separate websites. x9 has a much wider user base, available media, tutorials, and much more. As previously stated, x9 has support for mods and x10 doesn't. Mods add vast capabilities to the engine in the form of framerate boosts, scripting capabilities, and some are geared towards graphical improvements. Hope this helped!

EDIT: shadowtroid beat me to it

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Posted: 6th Mar 2010 17:07
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I own Both and prefer x9

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The list of Features are explained on the web pages.(Which are below) But the few things that aren't listed are that x9 has mods and is about to have a big update added to it soon.

FPSC 9:http://www.fpscreator.com/about.html

FPSC 10:http://www.fpscreatorx10.com/
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Posted: 6th Mar 2010 18:07
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I see, thanks for the replies! Looks like I'm getting X9 in the post.

I don't much care about bloom, I always turn it off in games if I can.

But I wanted the free-roaming HUD-less "spectator camera" in FPSc, which I now read is X10 only

So... is there a camera mod for X9? Ideally one that can offer free-roving machinima camera, and which can change the field-of-view (FOV) to something less "fish bowl"?
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Posted: 6th Mar 2010 22:21
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a "nooby answer"

X10 has ragdoll and allies and good graphics and water

X9 has all of those things and more supported in mods


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Posted: 8th Mar 2010 03:04
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X9 is good

X10 is bad.

End of story.

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Posted: 8th Mar 2010 14:44
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thank you, wolf.


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Yeah, I've had X10 since it was released and X9 is much better.

The X9 mods really stepped up after X10 and have surpassed it in every respect now. I guess TGC came to the same decision with the migration work being done at the moment.

I don't really care about X9 vs X10. I just want to see FPSC continue to grow and X9 is winning the battle hands down.

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Posted: 10th Mar 2010 10:55 Edited at: 10th Mar 2010 10:59
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I have both and i can tell you that in my expeirence so far that x9 is better FOR NOW.
In x9 you can get mods witch allow you to do all sorts of things, its x9 so that means everyone can use it, you dont need a great computer for it, and because more people use it there is alot of support.

Although in x10 you do get stuff like awsome graphics, particles, darkAI, bloom, water, instacing, ragdolls, all of that stuff but x9's mods cover most of that. And unlike most games that have an option of x9 and x10, FPSC x10 is just x10. But you do get lots of problems with it like some model packs not working (TGC working on it), lack of support, and the engine itself has lack of polish and flexibility. But i think that soon lee will be releasing the source code for x10 (hopefully) so that means MODS. And X10 makes use of multiple cores unlike X9 with the real lack of performance (main let down).

And if you comp cant handle X10 UPGRADE!!!!! I dont know why people dont just buy a GTX 270 for example, keep up with the modern times and enjoy the latest games at there best, it really is worth it.

So in conclusion i say go with X9 for now but X10 users will rise and bite back the X9 users in the A$$.

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ive used x9 for years and i now use x10 and i think its great. sure it doesnt have any mods but it will eventually just like fpscreator (remember when you had 2 enemies in a room and it took like 5 mins to turn around??? - ahhh the good old days) but x10 is just what i need with the water etc and it looks alot better. but thats just my thoughts.

i would like to see some x10 model packs though and more compatabilty put into the current ones.

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I think X10 was a software released too soon: not enough support for the model packs...
A bit like the iPhone when it first came out: underdeveloped features (but its different anyway Apple is huge so they have money to spend on making the iPhone what it is now).
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Posted: 10th Mar 2010 22:25 Edited at: 10th Mar 2010 22:26
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Quote: "X9 is good

X10 is bad.

End of story."


You are wrong, FpsC X10 has been designed for 8800gt or more graphics card, and I think its a WIP. The source code of X10 its not like of X9 source.

X9 its good because The majority of the people use Windows XP and old graphics card.

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Posted: 10th Mar 2010 23:30
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Quote: "You are wrong, FpsC X10 has been designed for 8800gt or more graphics card, and I think its a WIP. The source code of X10 its not like of X9 source."


No.

Let's see:

X9 with mods: Bloom, dual wielding, ironsights, motion blur, timer based system, incredible performance, scriptable weapons, fully customisable entities and weapons, loads upon loads of downloadable media.

X10: Bloom, ragdoll, water, refraction, DarkAI and particles (none of which actually require DX10).

I think X9 has a few advantages, am I right?

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X10 has GPU instancing though, and I can have loads of characters with no lag in that.

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I was say: X10 Source code its different than the X9 source! Its not possible add other things than default .

Incredible performance? Its not a feature, full customisable entities and weapons? not a feature.

X9 have advantage because the source code its free and you can download any time

Quote: "X10 has GPU instancing though, and I can have loads of characters with no lag in that."

I agree with you

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but the source code is being released soon anyway. my only problem with x10 is the fact that no model packs are released for it. id love to see just 1 or 2 x10 only model packs. and i bet when the mods come out x10 will be even better but until then il keep working on my game as i am and then il make it better when the time comes.

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Quote: "Incredible performance? Its not a feature, full customisable entities and weapons? not a feature."


Read; 'X9 with mods'

And I don't really care whether you think it's a 'feature' or not, because that's irrelevant. What is relevant is the things that X9 has going for it, namely 'Incredible performance' and 'Media that is incredibly easy to modify'.

Also note that none of X10's features needs DX10 which restricts it to a certain number of people with modern rigs, except perhaps GPU instancing. But really, more than 8 characters onscreen at a time shouldn't slow any engine down in the first place.

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Quote: "X9 is good

X10 is bad.

End of story."

Agreed. FPSC x9 (or original, as some might say) has everything FPSC x10 has and lots more! Even water bloom and ragdoll, wich seems better than x10's ragdoll, atleast, when thinking that it will be improved. x9 is thy better one.

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