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FPSC Classic Product Chat / [LOCKED] No need for cocky answers or remarks.

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Deevos Cranium
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Posted: 17th Apr 2010 22:19
I am no computer expert and just like toying about with fps creator as its an easy to use game creator in which many other members would agree,my only problem is members with superior brain cells giving cocky and un-necessary answers to people(including myself)who have much less experiance in using this creator,this isnt intended toward anyone its just i have been spending a lot of time looking through the forum and cant understand why someone would rather take the micky or give a cocky answer intead of helping that person,this is just my opinion and like i said is not intended toward any person
Bootlicker
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Posted: 17th Apr 2010 22:23
I have to agree that I have seen a massive decrease in manners over the past few months. I know that the mods have had enough of it, one of them was even contemplating on leaving! A few people have stood out as being bad mannered to me. Just because you have donated the odd model here and there or been on the forums a while doesnt mean you can do what you want.

Treat the mods and any other member of the forum with the same respect you want back.
Deevos Cranium
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Posted: 17th Apr 2010 22:38
Thank you!!!!someone who agrees with me,thanks bootlickerhow many other people agree with us??????
Slow Programmer
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Posted: 17th Apr 2010 22:54
I have learned how to avoid the unnecessary bashing. I just read the forum and never ask any questions. Works for me To bad that it is that way though. The other forums outside of FPSC don't seem as bad.
Bootlicker
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Posted: 17th Apr 2010 23:02
I've got to say this is the worst forum that I've been on...
FredP
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Posted: 17th Apr 2010 23:20
Thanks for your support.If everyone used manners these FPSC forums would be a pleasant place to hang out.I have an e-mail button that you can press if you have problems.Nobody e-mails me.
Seems to me that if the forums were so bad I'd get an e-mail.But I don't.
Zay
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Posted: 17th Apr 2010 23:21
Quote: "I've got to say this is the worst forum that I've been on..."

Believe me!
This is forum is superb in manners,compared to Newgrounds BBS...
Deevos Cranium
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Posted: 17th Apr 2010 23:28
Hi fred,i didnt know there was an email,but like you said a lot of it is manners and bad manners can offend,i guess the only comments worth reporting would be extreme personal attacks,but this could be debated as there are too many questions
BlackFox
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Posted: 17th Apr 2010 23:53 Edited at: 17th Apr 2010 23:55
Both my wife and I agree as well. Seems that too many times new people come online and ask a question, only to be told "search it", or some other useless comment. Yes, we can understand that it probably gets frustrating to have questions asked, and perhaps they could use the search feature, but we all started out in the same boat. If you have time to make some smart comment, then you may as well just post the info the user is looking for. If we have the info that person needs, we don't mind taking a few minutes to pass on the info I have. Otherwise, we just leave it for someone else to tackle.

On the other side of the coin, it depends on how we choose to interpret the responses we get. Most times we just consider the source and move on. Our success is not based solely on the posts here. This place is utilized as a knowledge-base for us. If we can't remember how to do something, we usually check here first.

Finally, you have to consider this fact. Most of the users here are very young. We'd hazard a guess to say that they quadruple the amount of us older generation. That also helps us to keep focus and move on from useless comments. We were ready to pull the pin here. If it were not for KeithC taking time out of his day to hear our thoughts and give us some suggestions, we would not have looked back as we left this forum. It's not as bad as other places we are involved with/moderate in. It has come a long way from the past reputation it held.

For those of us that have been around on forums for a long, long time, there is an old expression. "Don't feed the trolls".

- BlackFox

Bugsy
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 00:35
yeah, seriously, most forums I'm a member of are about as "nice" as a barefoot walk through hot coals. you've just got to let people get to know you and stay awhile.


Le Shorte
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 00:43
I completely agree. There is a certain member here that I'm not the biggest fan of, as I've only seen them say something that wasn't flaming or cocky once.

If only everyone was like Tanya.

But I think we do need a little bit of the occasional cocky member because if everyone was a graceful swan (strangest metaphor you've heard in a while?) it would get boring for some members.

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=166194&b=25
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ASTECH
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 00:48
Quote: "If only everyone was like Tanya."


Ha, if only. That would be the bomb. But, this is the real world.
I don't guess it would be right if every cocky hot head hid under
a rock somewhere... would it?

I see what you're saying and I feel your pain.
It's just life dude. Just life.

-Indestructible-

JRH
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 01:12 Edited at: 18th Apr 2010 01:16
Quote: "hid under
a rock somewhere"


Did we throw the rock at them first?

I agree, to some extent, with your statement Deevos Cranium.

Thraxas
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 01:17
Quote: "Seems that too many times new people come online and ask a question, only to be told "search it", or some other useless comment."


When I see posts like this the user making the useless remark gets a 3 day noob slap, and a note made in their profile. Should they repeat the offense the next noob slap is much longer.

When I first joined the forums they were atrocious. Compared to then they are heaven now. Some users are really good at emailing me and letting me know if they see something like this and it really makes moderating the forums much easier (even easier if they provide a link to the thread. hint hint ). As much as I would like to, I don't have to time to check every thread every day.

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Bejasc3D
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 05:36 Edited at: 18th Apr 2010 06:21
The forum is quite a bombshell in regards to manners and respect.
I blame the stickies for this.

Go look in the 3D Chat forum
There are red exclamation marks to highlight the stickies.
there arent in these boards?

I think, post moderation needs to be tougher. You see too many newcomers saying 'I need help' or in some horrific cases 'Help needed plox quik!' The stickies should stick out more.

Infact, Along with post moderation, In every board that a new user goes to, i think that before they can post, reply, or do ANYTHING on that board, the stickies MUST be read as a prerequisite.

~TiTaniUm

EDIT: My mistake, there are those exclamation marks
But i still think there should be a requirement that a rules thread that highlights ALL of the expectations of the forum, which seems to be non-existant, is shown before a new member can even view topics.

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Silvester
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 09:20 Edited at: 18th Apr 2010 09:22
Those were the days right Thraxas?

But really, it's not THAT bad nowadays, although I must confess that when I don't really feel like typing a long detailed explanation I often give a vague short answer and kindly direct them to the search box, and tell them it's only been asked about twenty times in the past few weeks.


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Bejasc3D
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 09:30
Quote: "Silvester"

As in [joke]Hay n00b, tht question haz been asked about 500 million time dis week, itz called a search button, plz lern how to use it[/joke]

I still think that its gotten worse from around the time I joined
I see people asking for help, or trying to share something, with others just walking in and ruining it.

Something has to be done..

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TerrorNation
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 11:52
Precisely. My experience was a lot better, as the more considerate proportion of the forum answered my queries

I think sometimes people make silly remarks when new posters make posts like:

How do I make a script tell me now I want to know NOW!

They expect us to do everything they say, which can annoy some people. So something has to be done in that department too.
AbdulAhad
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 12:59 Edited at: 18th Apr 2010 13:00
Quote: "
I see people asking for help, or trying to share something, with others just walking in and ruining it.

Something has to be done.."


Agreed.

Abdul Ahad
Shadowtroid
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 14:51
I think it's okay. In fact, I think there are too many newbies here who aren't even looking at the manual or anything. I am tired of "were do i put script" or "can i have a zombi escript" threads. It just IRKS me. I am all for helping people. NOT doing it for them. I do this for the same reason EAI doesn't make tutorials. I took the time to learn. I did it all myself. Now some person thinks they can walk in and ask for someone to do it for them. It kind of offends me actually.

So remember that. There are too many people here looking for free stuff. And if they get turned down, oh well. Don't try to get free work out of a small game making community. We have such nice people here to do stuff for free. However, that also makes peple expect they can get whatever they want for free. Which annoys me.

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Jaeg
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 15:24
If it irks you then don't click the link to the thread. Simple problem, simple solution.

When you smart off to someone either they are going to smart off back, keep asking the question till they get an answer, or pull back their nub wrap it in a tourniquet and leave.

There is always going to be people who don't read the sticky's and will ask simple questions there is nothing can really do about it. Harassing them does nothing to rectify the situation.

If you get mad and want to type something nasty about another person do this-Type what you want to say in the box then press ctrl-a and hit delete then type what you should say.
Bejasc3D
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 16:17
Quote: "There is always going to be people who don't read the sticky's"

Solution. Make it compulsory to read the stickies or you dont ever see a thread on the forums, or get to make one. all you see is stickies.

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FredP
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 17:02
How are we suppossed to make people read the stickies?They are at the top of all of the forum boards and if you can't see them/can't read them that's your problem.
And,as I was saying earlier,people need to mind their manners and report any problems they have to a moderator.
These forums are a LOT better than they used to be.
Bejasc3D
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 17:08
I forgot about the need to mess with the forums code :S
But it would be a really similar system to post moderation, but it lasts for say, 15 minutes, where they cant see any threads but the stickies. Surely that could be achieved by just changing the permissions?
I know the stickies are there, but I dont think they stand out enough that newcomers read them enough?

Lets be honest here, when your installing a new piece of software, do you really read all of 'End User Agreement' or whatever its called? really? does anyone read that..?
I would place a bet that 9/10 people just press next.

Of course, editing the permissions may not be able to be done by moderators, so Fred, I dont expect you to make a change, im just saying that I think it would be an extremely useful change.

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uman
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Posted: 18th Apr 2010 17:28 Edited at: 18th Apr 2010 17:35
These forums are open to everyone equally and everyone as far as is possible is treated equally by the mods within their remit, which is extensive.

There are newcomers, not so new comers and long standing members here and all are required to follow rules.

One of the simplest but perhaps hardest to follow is if you dont like or you just disagree with what someone posts, then if you are going to reply then do it in a helpful, constructive and polite way or dont post at all and simply ignore the thread/post and refrain from doing so.

New members should read the stickies and follow the rules and other members should do so also in any response to new members.

These forums are to be a tolerant place and that is a rule too.

If new members do not follow the rules and other members do not follow the rules in response, it has always been the case and is always likely to be that you might well find that FPSC moderators will take action just as equally and fairly against both sides and not just one side so you should be careful not to wish that upon yourself if and when FPSC moderators decide to clean up the boards from time to time - the severity of which can vary and has always done so dependant upon any one or all Mods consideration of the situation.

There is a zero tolerance policy here by the Mods with regard to users being impolite or offensive towards their fellow members new, longsdtanding or otherwise in between. There always has been and always will be and it is TGC policy too.

Fortunately these forums are indeed a much better place than they have been in the past largely because the FPSC Mods have enforced such rules strictly so nowadays things are a little more relaxed.

You really do not want to fall foul of the mods here if and when they feel it necessary to take any sweeping actions of any severity as they have had to do on many occasions in days gone by.

Many of you have little idea what it might have been like around here and what goes on at other forums is of no concern here.

Here the Moderators decide what is acceptable and what is not within the bounds of their remit which as said is extensive.

You can be sure that when it is necessary to do so for the benefit of TGC, these forums and all of its users not just some of them and to the benefit of indie game making in general moderators will act as they see fit to clean up the forums and you may or may not get any debate or warnings either in general or personally regarding that.

FPSC Mods strive to manage these forums and encourage that tolerant environment where everyone can enjoy their time here and meet with others, friends who share a common interest in making games and in an effort to do so we allow members both old and new freedom to behave in an appropriate manner in all things here of their own accord so that the forums are not a place where users need to be constantly harrased by Moderators and you can get on with the enjoyment of these forums without undue interferance from us. Thats how it should be and long may it be so.

The opposite as it once was, you really do not want to go back to believe me and the FPSC Mods will not let that happen.

Please be tolerant, respectful and polite at all times to your fellow members.

You can be assured that all opinions expressed here are taken account of by the Mods as elsewhere and will be acted upon or not if and when deemed necessary.

As to the original Post and Title of this thread the general thrust is correct. Anyone is free to ask a question or seek support from fellow members, however they should first endeavour to make some attempt at learning or problem solving themselves.

The sword is double edged and always has two sides to the blade you might say, which is why we mods stay on the edge(s) or someone may cut themselves.

Thank you for your co-operation and happy game making.



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