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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Fair Developer Pledge

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Urlforce Studios
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Posted: 7th May 2010 22:13
In light of recent events I have created an online pledge for people to sign to show their commitment to being a "Fair Developer".

Here is the Pledge
What is a Fair Developer?
It is someone who commits themselves to abstaining from piracy, understanding that piracy hurts everyone and at the same time is thankful for those who contribute (in a good way) to this forum.

Let's celebrate those who operate legitimately on this forum!

Here is the text of the pledge for those that would rather read it here:


Please do not sign by replying here - continue to the link at the top and sign there.

No member of this forum is being forced to sign this pledge. It is really just a way to show people that the people you may work with, buy from or sell to have similar views and morals as you.

Shadowtroid
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Posted: 7th May 2010 22:41
Signed.

I think that this is a step forward...Or will at least create a list of people to keep an eye on.

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Posted: 7th May 2010 22:59
Signed

Dark Frager
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Posted: 7th May 2010 23:38
Signed.

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Soviet176
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Posted: 7th May 2010 23:46
*Pirates the pledge*

The Storyteller 01
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Posted: 8th May 2010 00:08
Don't get me wrong, I really do have a liking for gestures....

....but there are a lot of people on this board I allready trust, and there are also some who's stuff I seldom downloaded and never will use in a game.

This is based on experiece, reading between the lines, crosschecking on other boards and my instinct. Sorry, but no post in this thread - honourable as the attempt may be - will change this.

And as much as I abolish KGB, Gestapo or Staatspolizei(former DDR) methods...most helpfull would be to report every single pirating act one finds on other FPSC or model related game boards (there's a sticky how to properly do it)

In case you find my grammar and spelling weird ---> native German speaker ^^
joshua4mission s
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Posted: 8th May 2010 00:17
Signed.
Deevos Cranium
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Posted: 8th May 2010 00:43 Edited at: 8th May 2010 11:06
I hate to say this,but for innocent people who dont sign it are gonna be targets for people who have signed it and will be branded as someone not to be trusted which will cause a load of unwanted debate crap among the forum,i feel it should be left alone as its a bit of a sturer,just my opinion in which i think a moderator should step in and stop it,no offence urlforce i understand what you are saying and i know you have been a member since 2006 and have far superior knowledge than me in fpsc but i think its not going to solve anything,kind regards and no offence intended but if i have offended you i am sorry and no harm intended

I have signed,but didnt have a choice really and i DO NOT SUPPORT PIRACY!!!!!
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Posted: 8th May 2010 01:24
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PW Productions
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Posted: 8th May 2010 04:15
Quote: "I hate to say this,but for innocent people who dont sign it are gonna be targets for people who have signed it and will be branded as someone not to be trusted which will cause a load of unwanted debate crap among the forum,i feel it should be left alone as its a bit of a sturer,just my opinion in which i think a moderator should step in and stop it,no offence urlforce i understand what you are saying and i know you have been a member since 2006 and have far superior knowledge than me in fpsc but i think its not going to solve anything,kind regards and no offence intended but if i have offended you i am sorry and no harm intended"


I actually thought that pirates would sign this to make it look like their 'innocent'


Signed.

The Afrokid
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Posted: 8th May 2010 07:50 Edited at: 8th May 2010 07:51
Quote: "I actually thought that pirates would sign this to make it look like their 'innocent"


so thats why you signed it
nah just kidding

signed.
Deevos Cranium
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Posted: 8th May 2010 11:10
pw productions@-exactly,thats my whole point it dont solve anything
Enough from me now as i dont want to start a debate or go even more off topic than what i have done.
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Posted: 8th May 2010 12:51
LMAO


Metal Devil123
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Posted: 9th May 2010 14:00
Quote: "exactly,thats my whole point it dont solve anything"

Well, where does it read it will solve something? And just that someone didn't sign it, doesen't mean they will be treated like pirates, does it? If you don't like it, don't sign it, as simple as that, but this will still do more than just whining about it in the thread, am I correct?


Heimo Vesa ROCKS!!!!!
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Posted: 9th May 2010 14:01
Oh and signed!


Heimo Vesa ROCKS!!!!!
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Posted: 9th May 2010 15:16
I don't really see the point in this, and the word "period" just makes me cringe. Probably cause I'm english. But really this won't stop anyone doing anything, I don't think a pirate would loose any sleep if they signed a Pledge before pirating.

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Posted: 9th May 2010 15:23
Quote: "I don't really see the point in this, and the word "period" just makes me cringe. Probably cause I'm english. But really this won't stop anyone doing anything, I don't think a pirate would loose any sleep if they signed a Pledge before pirating.
"


I agree, and I'm not a pirate but, I'm not going to 'sign' this as

1. You can really sign anything without a handwritten signature therefore making it meaningless.

2. It's pretty 'childish' and unneeded.

oh, and I also hate the word 'period'

Thanks,

Ben


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Posted: 9th May 2010 15:28
There's already a little something called the law that upholds all those statements, so I don't really see the point either. I follow the law and I respect copyright.
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Posted: 9th May 2010 16:35
Why do I have to give atleast 2 dollars just to sign the petition?


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Quote: "Why do I have to give atleast 2 dollars just to sign the petition?"


What?
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Posted: 9th May 2010 17:05
I also hate the word period cos im british
metaldevil123@-
Also im not whining im saying its pointless which it is, and piracy cant be solved EVER no matter what,anyone can just sign it and then download an illegal model pack ten seconds later,im not whining mate im stating the facts,im just saying its like peeing into the wind or wipeing your back side with the same bog roll over and over agin,i dont want to get personal with you over something pointless,iv stated my opinion so lets leave it,please

I have never and never will download an illegal copy of any model pack!!!!
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Posted: 9th May 2010 17:25
Everyday in private schools across America, children recite the Pledge of Allegiance, others pledge to refrain from using drugs or to abstain from sex until they are of legal age. Elsewhere, people pledge to quit smoking, to Protect and Defend others and to Uphold the Law.

Their pledge is not a magical spell. It does not create in them any physical barrier and in many cases no legal responsibility to live up to the promises they made. It only serves to remind and focus them on the promise they made to themselves and others.

By saying the pledge aloud, and in public or with a group of like mined individuals, we further solidify our resolve by letting others know our intent to try. Now we are not only pressured by our own pledge, but by the power of the group who we do not want to let down or see us fail.

No, it doesn't solve any legal issues. It only helps us to remember or promise and gain strength from the group in times of weakness or temptation. Mostly, it's a promise you make to yourself, but making it publicly might add that little extra pressure we all need sometimes.

Signed.

Brian.

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Posted: 9th May 2010 17:30
@Xplosys

*applause*

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Posted: 9th May 2010 17:54
fair enough,im up for that,we dont have that sort of thing in the uk so we dont get it,but well said
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Posted: 9th May 2010 18:39
Yeah, that's exactly what I was trying to say, this is not supposed to solve anything... This is not "END THE PIRATES PLEDGE" and what's up with all the period thing? It's just a word, how can it bother you so much? Is it like swearing to you or something, althou swearing is not a problem for me... except here.


Heimo Vesa ROCKS!!!!!
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Posted: 9th May 2010 18:40 Edited at: 9th May 2010 18:49
leave it please,i said leave it in my last post for you but you seem to want to keep onto me,leave it and stop making it out that i have a problem cos i dont i was expressing my OPINION!!!!!.
thankyou
Urlforce Studios
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Posted: 9th May 2010 21:04 Edited at: 9th May 2010 21:06
Quote: "1. You can't really sign anything without a handwritten signature therefore making it meaningless."


1. You can and you have. Every time you are accepting a license agreement on a product or website (even to use these forums) you are signing a document that says you will abide by the rules set forth by the agreement. Saying everything you sign on the computer is meaningless is sadly the mindset of those who don't respect the agreements they sign. I am not accusing you personally of not respecting agreements of piracy, let that be clear. But if everyone viewed agreements as seriously as they were written to be, there would be no piracy in the first place.



Quote: "2. It's pretty 'childish' and unneeded."

2. Is it? If it was childish there would be an offering of cookies and milk for those that sign. I really think you missed the point of the pledge. The pledge is meant to create a space for people to see that people believe in the cause of eliminating piracy and at the same time can make great games etc.
If piracy wasn't such a huge problem, this pledge wouldn't be needed and you would be correct. Until there are no wars, there will be pledges. Until there are no drunk drivers there will be pledges. Until anything anyone wants to be changed there will be pledges...

Quote: "There's already a little something called the law that upholds all those statements, so I don't really see the point either. I follow the law and I respect copyright. "

As this forum is global and there have been arguments over who's law is being broken and differences in the laws across the globe, this pledge serves as a singular agreement that we can all swear to follow and not look for loop holes in the system.



Thanks everyone who's signed so far, and especially Brian for helping explain the meaning of a pledge

This pledge is not to start a witch hunt or weed out those who pirate- it is simply a way to say no to piracy.

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Posted: 9th May 2010 22:03
Quote: "Everyday in private schools across America, children recite the Pledge of Allegiance"


Quote: "fair enough,im up for that,we dont have that sort of thing in the uk so we dont get it,but well said"


Don't worry, Cameron'll make one.

I understand the need to restrain piracy, etc. However, many will ignore this, upload media of dubious origins, and it will be downloaded. GamerDude proved that a long standing member who produces excellent work can in the end turn out to be a pirate of others' work...

In instances like this, already released projects using his media would be slated for using pirated media, they'd have to rebuild and replace media to clear their name. How would we react to a game that uses large amounts of a certain person's publicly released media, gets BOTB, then that media is pirated. Is it the developer's fault for not checking? How could they?

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Posted: 9th May 2010 23:02
Quote: "leave it please,i said leave it in my last post for you but you seem to want to keep onto me,leave it and stop making it out that i have a problem cos i dont i was expressing my OPINION!!!!!.
thankyou "

I wasn't talking to you anymore, and I hope no-one else took my post that way, sorry We ok?


Heimo Vesa ROCKS!!!!!
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Posted: 10th May 2010 09:38
yeah we ok
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Posted: 10th May 2010 12:01 Edited at: 10th May 2010 12:04
I am a newbie here and I don’t know anybody around much.
I’ll just share what I felt when I saw this thread.

The first thing I felt when I saw this thread was “who is this urlforce studios who’s asking us to sign something he’s dreamt up? Another kid hankering for identity?”

So, I took a look at the profile of this guy who’s started the thread, and then checked the other threads he was involved in. One thing became clear, this is a person who has actively contributed to the community with Lemur Mod, and did not need introduction except to newbies like me. So, he is not hankering for identity, and does not require to.

That done, I felt reluctance to sign again. Something inside asked me, is this guy trying to be my moral leader or what? I remain half-starved and go without luxury only because I am always paying, and paying for licenses and software. I do not need to seek anybody’s approval or declare my innocence in public to prove that I live by the law.

I am answerable only to myself, the Lord, and the Law, and I live my principles, do not talk about them.

Once, I calmed down I realized that no question has been asked in this thread that doubted my principles. It was just a call to seek my approval and public endorsement of certain common values upon which the survival of this community depends. It was definitely not a call to judge me.

But, again I felt doubts. There are so many threads against piracy already, what purpose was this somehow theatrical act of signing the pledge going to serve? Does it serve any positive purpose at all?

I took a step back and considered the situation. It seemed this was a call to build peer norms and pressure, and it was true that my minute conduct in the workplace is more controlled by peer conduct, examples and approval than by the rules laid down by the employer. In fact, I am more concerned with schedules and delivery and regularly ignore HR rules as mere formalities, unless of course, there was anything that everybody else was following.

I have not yet gone into that thread about Note on Piracy on the forum yet, for I do not engage in piracy and I do not need to know what’s in it. And it seems official, started by a Moderator.

But if I were coming in absolutely new to the forums, a thread like this with good numbers behind it would immediately tell me the trend of peer approval. It does not prove anybody’s innocence, but just declares the solidarity and establishes the strength and feelings of the community. It just tells newcomers to Rome, how the Romans live.

I sign.

Still moving in circles.
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Posted: 10th May 2010 18:44
Yoda?is that really you???
Well said cloner i can agree on that,in which,answers everyone i think?although spartans would destroy the romans!!!!
Theres not enough love in this forum guys,lets all be happy
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Signed...
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Signed it

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