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Rwilson
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Posted: 25th Sep 2003 22:08
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Has anyone seen that ad on the frontpage of DarkBasicPro that says, "Harnass all the FX features of DarkBasic Pro from only 60$"? I'm am both excited and confused by it. I click it, hopeing to see a wonderful deal on a 3d card, and am instead taken to regular page detailing the card. What is the point in this ad? Am I missing something?
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AlecM
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Posted: 25th Sep 2003 22:15
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Im sure they sell a piece of crap low end ge-force FX thats a repackaged de-clocked ge-force 3 or something like that for $60.

Do you plan on playing half-life 2 alot? nVidia cards won't be able to run anti-aliasing in HL2 (with out it looking like crap). Also, ATI has been cheating much less lately. Get a Radeon. If your really on a budget buy a radeon 9500 Pro... NOT a 9600pro. It might be hard to find but its a good value. If you have a little more cash get a radeon 9700 and softmod it to a 9700 Pro

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Rwilson
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Posted: 25th Sep 2003 22:23
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I suppose. And I will admit, I'm a prefer ATI anyways. But you must admit, that's a rather strange deal for what I could have sworn is a 200$ card. And I don't think TGC would scam us like that, the whole reapckedged thing. Oh as well, just curious.
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AlecM
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Posted: 25th Sep 2003 22:35
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Ge-Force FX is just a brand name. There is a huge range of cards in the FX family. Not really a scam because information on the card is listed. But no a good deal either

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 25th Sep 2003 22:46
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don't listen to what is said about GeForceFX cards...
Creative & PNY versions of the FX line are the only true copies of the cards, they're the ONLY cards capable of matching the technically possible values set by nvidia - all the other cards fall short, quite far in alot of cases.

There is currently an investigation going into why this is, however the current thought is that companies are deliberatly setting the memory bus at lower speeds and lowering the cache for the gpu that should come with it.
as for nvidia not able to run AA in HL2, thats just a joke isn't it - nvidia cards are the ONLY cards currently capable of it, as the gamespy review quite rightly showed.

my FX5200 cost me $88/£53 and quite frankly it performs just as well as the R9200 (R300), yet has more features than the R9800pro (R380) ... really the choice of a card is upto you but don't believe the crap put around about the FX range, especially conserning HL2.

Detonator5 available saturday boast the speed of the FX range a whooping 45% in almost every case.
At the seeming loss of quality, but the fact of the matter is there was bug in 45.23 which caused texture sharpening to be on all the time ... the visual appearance once again is the same as 44.09.

as for your original question, they sell them for $60 on BestBuy.com and CompUSA also does them cheap.

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Ian T
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'don't listen to what is said about GeForceFX cards...'

Coming from the person who has made the most stupid mistakes about video cards on the whole forum, and worships nVidia? Yeah, right

ATI cards are great. nVidia cards can be good too, but ATI has always seemed more stable to me. And it'll run HL2 tons better. 9500 is great, I'm running one right now and it can handle pretty much everything within reason (no 2024x16??x32 with 8x antialiasing!).

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AlecM
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"The highly-anticipated Half-Life 2 game will have a major bug with current DirectX 9.0 hardware resulting in impossibility in enabling Full-Scene Anti-Aliasing, a popular feature that dramatically improves image quality in games. Apparently, there is a limitation in DirectX 9.0 and/or DirectX 9.0-compliant hardware that will not allow the function to be enabled on certain graphics cards if the workaround is not found.

The developers of the legendary Half-Life game said that drivers are not likely to solve the problem, however, it still can be solved for graphics cards based on VPUs from ATI Technologies, such as RADEON 9500-, 9600-, 9700- and 9800-series. As for NVIDIA GeForce and GeForce FX-series, there are practically no chances to find a workaround, according to Valve. "



http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20030718155730.html

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do you know whats funny? The Dawn demo runs 15% faster on the 9800pro than the NV30.

Too bad nvidia updated the demo so now its harder to crack and run on radeon cards.

heres a link:
http://www.rage3d.com/articles/atidawning/

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 26th Sep 2003 23:20
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Quote: "do you know whats funny? The Dawn demo runs 15% faster on the 9800pro than the NV30. "


OH PLEASE! ... i'll break this down for you
1) nv30 is equal speed to the FX5200 (nv34)
2) the nv30 specification in Cg DOES NOT WORK with ATi Cards
3) the nv30 specification work to a 32bit FP mode, wereas ATi Cards can only handle 24bit FP
4) the instruction lengths are 114 lines over the ATi Card limit

so not only is the top range card, out performing the runt of the family by a measly 15%
but you'd of had to have lost precision in colour and depth and added lines to compensate for ATi's short commings, recoded for the R300 format ... and ontop of that had to have dropped quite and ammount of code just to fit it all onto ther ATi GPU.

Oh yeah the ATi cards are obvious monsters, maybe i should replace my FX5900 ultra with my boxxed 9800pro as soon as i get home, you have converted me... :: rolls eyes ::
the FX5200 against 9600pro in OpenGL the FX will beat the Pro card marginally, but consider the fact that in DirectX you run the same shader and the 9600pro will outperform the FX5900 Ultra ... and you can be using the same Cg script and the Cg Interface.

what exactly does that say to you? particularly the 20% speed drop in all FX based cards since 9.02 was released?
nVidia are releasing thier DetFX 50 very soon, and it reclaims the speed so all of thier cards are on par with the ATi equivilants - which isn't AS good as they should be doing, but atleast it closes the gap in Dx.
to me though seems very very strange how nVidia developed with Microsoft and DirectX for almost a year and a half to get the new DetonatorFX drivers ready and for Cg to be perfect, but yet somehow they're the card that perform badly ... and the real weird thing is that surely thier in-house tests would've shown the chip wasn't ready.

make of that way you will, but a 20% speed decrease since Dx9.02 is not something you just don't notice!

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 27th Sep 2003 00:10
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oki i've nabbed both of these from the sites showing them, both 1024x764x32 FSAA 4x

you tell me which is Radeon's and which is GeForceFX's without checking the sites ... quite frankly there is one HELL of the visual difference.





and i'd also like to know how they determined the FPS, as the DLL doesn't include one - i've run on both R9800pro & FX5600 Ultra cards ... i had to put in my own FPS hack, and honestly

using the DLL yes the GeForce is slower, without it... the GeForce has far better visual quality and is one HELL of alot faster.

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'Oh yeah the ATi cards are obvious monsters, maybe i should replace my FX5900 ultra with my boxxed 9800pro as soon as i get home, you have converted me... :: rolls eyes ::'

The irony here is killing me.

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