FPS Creator - on the rocks - total failure looms! who will act to save it?

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Medusa

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 17:44

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Fps creator has been blundering through for some time and now has reached the stage of floundering.
Quote: Lee Bamber - fpsc9 is stable, buy fpsc9
- fpsc9 can not be evolved any further, buy fpsc10
- fpsc9 all of a sudden can be evolved, abandon fpsc10
It has now became a guessing game of if and when fpsc9 will ever be stable and if the models will work or not plus which system will run it.
I now have ten years invested in dark basic plus own a copy of 9 and 10 and have three computersm xp and vista and dozens of model packs. And a nvidia card that cost me big bucks and does not comply with my motherboard.
If any other software developer on the planet hit us with all the nonsense we've had to endure from fpsc we would not tolerate it for a second.
When did word or photoshop or any of your other software present you with problems like fpsc?
The people who run fpsc have to sit up and listen to the growing tide of unhappy customers who just want you to fix the software.
Even if you have to revert back to version 1.1 do it.
Give people a totally stable version of fpsc that you can say will run for definite on e.g. xp with direct x9.
Mark everything else as updates to be installed at your own risk.
Unreal are giving away their engine for $99 so dont say we have to put up with all the nonsense because of the cheap price.
Dont block our complaints or ignore us because everyone feels the same.
You have a growing tide of dissatisfied customers getting ready to jump ship.
Another monthly newsletter pretending that everything is fine and rosy just makes your customers angry.
Devote next months newsletter to answering all the problems people are having.
Sort it out now while there is still time.

mpc

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Nbt

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 18:02

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Quote: "Even if you have to revert back to version 1.1 do it."

I'm pretty sure that is what lee has done when making 1.17 onwards, as I'm pretty sure he said 1.17 was build upon the v1.0 core?

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knxrb

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 18:04 Edited at: 9th Aug 2010 18:10

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Quote: "Fps creator has been blundering through for some time and now has reached the stage of floundering."

I would disagree and say it's at the opposite end of the scale, it's growing and becoming better rather than floundering.

Quote: "When did word or photoshop or any of your other software present you with problems like fpsc?"

Funnily enough, I don't think anyone's ever going to get problems with shaders and dynamic entities in Microsoft Word

Quote: "now have ten years invested in dark basic plus own a copy of 9 and 10 and have three computersm xp and vista and dozens of model packs. And a nvidia card that cost me big bucks and does not comply with my motherboard."

That's nice, but no-one forced you to buy them, that was your own choice to spend that money so you can't complain.
I don't see how that info is relevant to this thread but it's nice to see you supporting TGC by buying their products?

Quote: "The people who run fpsc have to sit up and listen to the growing tide of unhappy customers who just want you to fix the software."

So what do you think the new migration updates are?

FPSC has a pretty big group of fans and there may be a few who don't like it. If you don't like FPSC then the answer is simple, don't use it, but you have to give Lee and the rest of us a chance to make it better, it is slow work but we're improving it gradually.

Ovwerall I'd say your thread is un-necessary and you need to be patient and wait for the migration to be finished before complaining, FPSC is currently in the middle of having new features added and so, yes, it will be slightly buggy, we are however bug testing and listening to the users of FPSC to find out what they want fixed/added and what bugs they are finding.

For example, I'm currently going through the migration thread, recording all reported bugs and looking at fixes for them. It'll take me little while but I'll get it done eventually. In the meantime more bugs may be reported but that's how it works.
You fix one thing, and another will appear because more is being added at the same time.

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AbdulAhad

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 18:06

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If you want bug just revert to the original v1. At least in my opinion. Never faced a bug with v1.

Upgrades give better performance and more functionality, plus who said that no one ever faces bugs?

Who said lee or anyone from the crew is ignoring us? We wanted timer based stuff they gave it to us! We wanted full screen shader support we got it! We wanted Ragdoll and voila! you have it now! Plus alot of other stuff!

Plus i love tackling all the stuff fpsc throws at me, though sometimes i feel like throwing my pc out the window.

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xplosys

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 18:27

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I don't get it.

"I would rather make a bad model, instead of pirate a great one"... Heltor

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 18:27 Edited at: 9th Aug 2010 18:30

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Could a mod kindly lock this thread before it turns into another fist feast.

Frankly I am sick in tired of hearing complaints about FPSC period.Nothing in life is perfect deal with it...

Every one has a right to an opinion right, wrong, biased or completely devoid of truth or facts.It is ironic that the people that do the most complaining are the least active on any front or the actual community.

Frankly most complaints either have twisted facts or are ill informed statements which frankly makes me just as angry as the next guy.

I think there should be a product complaint sticky if you lack the common sense or do not understand the meaning of "customer support"
should have a complaint badge stapled to his/her forehead.

I have never ever seen people moan and complain so much in my entire life.

what is the point of complaining when neither Lee or Rick will EVER participate in any forum actively knowing in the back of their heads that they do have a company image to be concerned about.

It is a pointless excise and only makes more people offended of you and more people getting slaps and warnings.?

Can a mod seriously look at updating the FPSC stickies to better deal with random verbal delirium and constructively pointing them into the right direction and medium for complaints emailing Rick or Lee.

Just been chatting to my neighbours teenage daughter and it turns out she's big into UFOs and aliens.

Which is cool because tomorrow she's getting abducted.

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Nbt

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 18:31 Edited at: 9th Aug 2010 18:45

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There will always be the UDK, Unity argument against FPSC, had the same with Torgue and others over RC (when I used it)

In the end it is always what people feel happy and productive with that is the best for them. I bought 3dsMax once I felt I was getting the hang of 3D modelling as it was the best out there with all the bells and whistles. Trouble was I just could not get on with it and my modelling suffered, so I returned to fragmotion because it felt like home

Also when WoW came out it was the best of the best in many ways, but many still stayed with Everquest etc because they felt at home with it. So really everything is down to personal preference. After all most of us still use Windows as our OS and I still have yet to find a version of it that I would call 100% stable ^_^

My days with Apple were even worse, we would have so many revisions of system 7, with each making stuff we paid good money for useless with the new version. Yet we still stayed using our mac's

Edit: I just seen a few of Medusa's topics and they were a bit explosive, so after the last mod warning slap in this type of topic, I'm out of it.

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Nomad Soul

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 18:52

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Quote: "It has now became a guessing game of if and when fpsc9 will ever be stable and if the models will work or not plus which system will run it."

Have you actually used V117 yet. The rest of the community are experiencing significantly better performance (stable 50-60 frames per second in some cases).

Quote: "The people who run fpsc have to sit up and listen to the growing tide of unhappy customers who just want you to fix the software."

They did. Its called V117 and they are already on V118 BETA with another top developer on board.

Quote: "Even if you have to revert back to version 1.1 do it."

Ok. Now its clear you are not somebody that really cares or pays attention to what they are complaining about. Thats exactly what happened for V117.

I agree with the points Wizard of ID made. Mods need to stamp out this kind of nonsense on the forums. Totally uninformed, unconstructive threads which do not contribute anything and show no appreciation for all the hard work people are doing.

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Soviet176

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 18:55

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Quote: "I agree with the points Wizard of ID made. Mods need to stamp out this kind of nonsense on the forums. Totally uninformed, unconstructive threads which do not contribute anything and show no appreciation for all the hard work people are doing."

Yes and no, it's his opinion, what he think about FPSC he can say, from what I hear this forum has free speech minus some things. He is only expressing how he feels, and as we have seen there are others who feel the same way, no point in coming into the thread to argu about someones else's opinion. If you love FPSC, then stay out of this thread and ignore it. Give this one no more publicity.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 20:14

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I'm really hoping that the author of this thread has the good sense to come back to this thread and actually discuss these "issues" he has problems with. Otherwise the thread's intent could be viewed only as spam, and actions could be taken accordingly.

-Keith

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BlackFox

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 20:26 Edited at: 9th Aug 2010 20:45

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Unfortunately, if someone is having issues with the product, it is almost easier to vent rather than try to find answers. Look at it from two sides. On the first side you get people that have issues and ask for help only to get the responses of "read the manual" or ignored completely. On the other side, you get people posting their rants on what's bad with the product and then people jumping in bashing the person for their view and opinion, either with the product or the help they attempted to receive.

It's too bad that some can't look past themselves to see they helped to create an environment that ends up with posts like this. And please spare me the lecture of defending FPSC, etc. I've been around on the planet a lot longer than most here, and we love this product. There are times where we have had issues and asked questions, and have too been ignored. We seek our help from those that are willing to help us.

But before you point the finger and cry out for a mod to do "something" perhaps we could examine a better way to actually help people so that posts like this will fall by the wayside.

@ Medusa, all I can suggest is if the product is not to your liking, then perhaps you will find one that will suit your needs and requirements. That, or seek out a few trusted people that do take an interest in helping others out and are willing to pass their knowledge and experience over to you so that you can learn and return the favor. Another suggestion is to email the author directly rather than posting in the forums. Otherwise, you're just inviting more hassles for yourself with the endless mind-numbing posts you will receive in response.

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Deevos Cranium

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I think what he means is that he is fed up with all the bugs,fpsc has loads which never seem to be fixed,i also find the users who never seem to have bugs kind of retaliate(spelled?)against the users who do?
I have had fpsc for 3 yrs and the full shaders have never worked,i even bought a second copy of fpsc just incase my original was broken,even the model packs dont work properly(mp12 anyone?)i think for the majority who have spent a lot of money on a product which is riddled with bugs has the right to post about it,this aint a rant,i still use fpsc even though mine dont work properly(even with v1.17)if somebody dont like my opinion then please dont try to humiliate me in this thread,if you have a problem i would rather you e-mailed me or we can meet up for you to say it to my face,cheers guys and no harm intended,im just fed up of the small majority of "all talk" users.
FPSC is the easiest creator i have ever used and i take my hat off to the people who made it and thank them for all the updates,its just the bugs still need sorting out and the customer service department.

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Metal Devil123

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For me, FPSC x9 is completely stable. End of story.

My old YouTube account got deleted. My new account is called MetalFPSC. thanks for your time!

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Wolf

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 22:07

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It can build Multiple Levels and I can realize most of my gameing Ideas...what do I need more.

V1.17 is awesome.

FPSC X9 runs stable.

-End of story.

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Metal Devil123

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 22:13 Edited at: 9th Aug 2010 22:19

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Quote: "V1.17 is awesome"

v1.18 beta even better! In my opinion!

FPSC x9 is stable as hell!

-Neverending Story.

My old YouTube account got deleted. My new account is called MetalFPSC. thanks for your time!

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veer

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 22:16

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this look like.... somebody is having fun

i can't believe anyone can have so much problem ...specially with fpsc the magic tool
bugs... where is bug i can't find any... am i using different software
oh... you mean that silly error....nah its not a big deal (may be because i am computer freak since childhood...i learn quickly )at first lots of error but it has reduce to random ...again not a big deal
since switching to win 7 everything is like heaven

also i have not used any software which hasn't crash

just like i always says...you can learn to play guitar but only few can create magic with it

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Hi gents,its good that x9 is stable for you and you should count your selves lucky as its a living nightmare for the majority who's x9 dont work for them,take it easy

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 22:38

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Quote: "Unreal are giving away their engine for $99 so dont say we have to put up with all the nonsense because of the cheap price."

Acturly that is the license cost

Not the programs cost, the program is free.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 23:27 Edited at: 9th Aug 2010 23:28

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Hi Guys,

You may notice that there are often a number of threads around like this and others, perhaps of a somewhat different nature where some users opinions are quite strongly expressed and showing equally strongly expressed opinions from others who disagree.

The Mods here as you can see by an evolved nature of the job tend to allow users the opportunity and freedom to express those views and opinions they have quite freely and openly at least whilst it is done in a manner which stays the right side of outright offensiveness. This applies to individuals in particular whether other users, moderators, TGC staff and officials or anyone esle for that matter. It matters not who the individual is or might be or what their role is or where they might be even.

Software on the other hand, has no feelings and little rights so agressive postings relating to that specifically we have a little more tolerance with regard to.

Mods here are not over protective and are pleased to allow those freedoms to all in the community.

Anyone been around here long enough will know that this is part of the evolving of the FPSC boards and as they have matured then so has the moderating.

We will act quickly when we feel it necesary and then its closed shop on this or any other thread or user/poster which takes advantage of the freedoms allowed.

We have the patience to watch many such threads and give users the opportunity to express their opinions. At such time as we feel that has been done adequately for all concerned then quite likely threads will be locked and sooner if that is deemed to be necessary.

What we do not tolerate is outright offensiveness against another individual or group of people or any kind of offensive posting of offensive material either written or visual, illegal activity and so on. You know the rules.

Differences of opinion we can tolerate as long as its reasonably respectfully so, at least for a while. When all opinions we feel have been exhausted and the majority of users have had a chance to comment if they wish to do so then a thread is at its usefulness end, sufficient opinions expressed to gauge feedback and will be closed.

FPSC Mods are perhaps more tolerant than they need be and if that were not the case there are a number of users I can tell you at these boards who would not be so very happy today.

I thank you all for at least keeping this post reasonable.

We are aware as Moderators that it is possible for someone to puposefully and prematurely try and bring a thread to an end by posting purposefully in a manner that may attempt to have a thread locked. That is not a good idea as we are beleive it or not, not that stupid, though I dont want to debate that and wont. Posting in such a manner may indeed prolong a thread as Moderators will not allow themselves to be influenced in any way. Additionally such behaviour itself will be frowned upon by the Mods here and such behaviour and the posters suitably noted for future reference.

No doubt this will be locked up in due course.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2010 23:30 Edited at: 9th Aug 2010 23:43

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Quote: "When did word or photoshop or any of your other software present you with problems like fpsc?"

Windows? Almost every day. Seriously.

Damn you, Bill Gates!

Quote: "Unreal are giving away their engine for $99 so dont say we have to put up with all the nonsense because of the cheap price."

(Actually, $99 + 25% royalties after the first yada yada yada; not at all a bad deal though.). Anyway, the conviently and always overlooked factor with the tired old UDK vs FPSC debate is that you actually have to know how to program in order to get somewhere with UDK. With FPS Creator; not so much. It's the same thing as; "Oh, well, 3DSMax is better than Milkshape, so I'll just "buy" (yeah, we'll call it buy) Max!" If you don't know how to model, and you don't have any incentive to learn, then it's not really going to make a difference which program you use.

Another analogy for UDK and FPSC (because I enjoy coming up with them

), is going to a car dealership, and there you see two cars. One car is an automatic [FPSC]; a Honda, and it costs $10,000.00. The other car, has a manual transmission; a Corvette [UDK], and it costs $12,000 (just a little bit more). But, you don't know how to drive a stick, nor do you have a lot of experience with a rear-wheel drive sports car on winter roads. Both cars can get you where you need to go, but the Corvette has a better engine (<flawless anology ftw!).

So, you can either, stick with FPS Creator (I mean; the Honda), and leave the dealership right then and there and start your trip. Or, you can take the extra time to learn what you need to learn to get somewhere with the Corvette. The problem is; most people don't have that incentive to learn what they need to to drive the Vette, which is why I consider most of these UDK vs FPSC debates completely irrelvant. 99% of the time at the end of the day, our FPS Creator developer, and our UDK developer, both have nothing to show for. And most of the time, it's our own aggrevated FPS Creator developer that stands behinds UDK, unaware, or only partially aware of the difference in work load between the two.

Now if you doknow how to work with UDK and how to write your engine for it, then first, I would like to ask why you are still worrying about FPS Creator in the first place?

Secondly, I would like to ask when your UDK game will be finished so I can play it. Finally, you still need to keep in mind that FPS Creator was not intended to rival UDK. It has it's problems (as any software does); but they can all be overcome with time and effort.

EDIT: A little off-topic mayhaps; but I was only killing time until my car gets back.

Kravenwolf