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FPSC Classic Models and Media / Model Pack Deal for Xmas 2010

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Mike Johnson
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2010 13:35
Get 24 model packs and take advantage of a massive 80% discount! These packs contain a wide variety of entities, segments and characters that will fit into your FPS Creator levels. Themes include modern day, warehouse, sci-fi, western, ruins, cartoon, medieval, horror, vikings, romans, tropical, middle east, industrial and much more!

More details here http://www.thegamecreators.com/?m=view_product&id=2001&page=christmas
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2010 14:05
Nice selection! FPSC owners can get a really good deal here. There goes my budget...

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2010 14:17
It is very good for new guys who don't have any model pack.

Yeah it's really good for them.

Have our guns was a mistake!!!

I am PaYaM
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2010 22:36 Edited at: 4th Nov 2010 01:06
Gutted

Just got mp's 21-40 for £147 and most of them are in here (7 aren't) for £51.15

@Mike any chance I can exchange?
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Posted: 4th Nov 2010 09:18
moonbaby please email me using [email protected]. Let me know the details of your order, when you ordered, email you used and I can look into it. Might be possible we can sort something out for you.
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Posted: 4th Nov 2010 10:34 Edited at: 16th Nov 2010 16:58
@mike thanks
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Posted: 4th Nov 2010 21:44 Edited at: 4th Nov 2010 21:45
Well, I have to get this one. It doesn't matter if I have some of the packs alteady, I'll have presents for my geek friends

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Posted: 9th Nov 2010 02:58
got mine
gonna be downloading for days
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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 13:46 Edited at: 14th Nov 2010 13:46
Quote: "got mine
gonna be downloading for days"


Me too.

Here's a screenshot using Ruin 1 from Model Pack 15.

I used the downloaded texture to create a normal map with Texture Maker and then applied it using a bump mapping shader. I also added DBPro stencil shadows (I hadn't realised - or had forgotten - that DBPro shadows worked with shaders without hassle ).

That's just one model from one pack. A fantastic deal in my opinion.



[For the shadow connoisseurs, you get better results with a moving light if you edit the "stencilshadow.FX" file in the DBPro/Compiler/effects folder as follows. Replace



with something like



Don't forget to keep a backup of the original file just in case. ]
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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 14:44
Quote: "Might be possible we can sort something out for you."


Can I just point out that the game creators are the most amazing company ever. Most other cooperations would completely reject that, high fives all round for tgc.

Amazing deal, I wish I had the money.

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Thumbs up for TGC!



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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 17:37
Shame I own or don't really need most of these, or I would've taken you up on this.. pretty much handing them out for free offer.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 05:18
You would get so many more sales if you added some weapon packs in these.
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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 05:29
You'd get my purchase if about 20 of them weren't Arteria..
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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 08:00
Quote: "You'd get my purchase if about 20 of them weren't Arteria.. "

I would've figured the Arteria hate died by now. :o

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 12:03
Quote: "You'd get my purchase if about 20 of them weren't Arteria"


They were the ones I wanted.
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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 12:19
Quote: "You'd get my purchase if about 20 of them weren't Arteria.."

What's wrong with Arteria anyway? Maybe you can do better?

I personally have a lot of these packs and have loved using all of them...

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 17:50
Quote: "What's wrong with Arteria anyway? Maybe you can do better?

I personally have a lot of these packs and have loved using all of them..."

Their earlier packs, while looking nice have some minor flaws, too many Polygons for their use, missing geometry or minor other issues.. People are however forgetting that this quality of modeling would normally cost them over ~€20 for a single object though.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 19:14
Quote: "People are however forgetting that this quality of modeling would normally cost them over ~€20 for a single object though."


Exactly. It's easy to pick holes in something - rather harder to do it better oneself though.
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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 22:28
Suppose it's the cheap nature of human beings, I'm afraid I have to admit I've done the same thing as well once, but my recent employment and various personal projects have made me grow a form of respect towards the work of others, be it that my opinion is sometimes still a little 'rough around the edges', so to speak.

Anyways, I'm guessing most people here are used to TGC prices for their models.. Not actual industry prices, which might have spoiled them a little bit too much.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2010 07:44
Quote: "Anyways, I'm guessing most people here are used to TGC prices for their models.. Not actual industry prices, which might have spoiled them a little bit too much. "


You hit the nail on the head

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Posted: 16th Nov 2010 13:08
If I wanted Arteria quality models I'd make them myself, not like it's hard to make a model then smear a photo on it and excuse it as a texture.
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Posted: 16th Nov 2010 13:32
Quote: "If I wanted Arteria quality models I'd make them myself, not like it's hard to make a model then smear a photo on it and excuse it as a texture."

Why don't you do that then. I can see you are a good modeller but is the sarcasm really necessary?

*restrains flame

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Posted: 16th Nov 2010 16:56
Quote: "Can I just point out that the game creators are the most amazing company ever. Most other cooperations would completely reject that, high fives all round for tgc. "


Yup, thanks tgc. I've always found them very accomodating for a cooperation anyways
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Posted: 21st Nov 2010 12:50
Quote: "Why don't you do that then. I can see you are a good modeller but is the sarcasm really necessary?"


What sarcasm?
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2010 09:50 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2010 10:24
Quote: "What sarcasm?"

You're right, sarcasm was the wrong word.

The point is that these models are for sale on TGC website, if you don't like them don't buy them. What good does it do anybody to Flame an artist on the site that sells their work?

TGC may decide to slap you, the artist will not be happy and may push TGC to action and you just end up looking like a spiteful child.

Sarcasm is definitely the wrong word, sorry...

EDIT: Actually make up your own mind-
Quote: "In sarcasm, ridicule or mockery is used harshly, often crudely and contemptuously, for destructive purposes. It may be used in an indirect manner, and have the form of irony, as in “What a fine musician you turned out to be!” or it may be used in the form of a direct statement, “You couldn't play one piece correctly if you had two assistants.” The distinctive quality of sarcasm is present in the spoken word and manifested chiefly by vocal inflection ..."

Sarcasm is often confused with irony. Sarcastic remarks do often use irony but it isn't necessary to formulate a sarcastic remark.

But maybe you thought you were just stating a fact and weren't confused between sarcasm and irony?

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2010 10:34
I was stating a fact; Arteria's models are sub-par and the textures are little more than tweaked photographs.

Quote: "The point is that these models are for sale on TGC website, if you don't like them don't buy them. What good does it do anybody to Flame an artist on the site that sells their work?"


I'm not flaming anybody. I'm just saying that TGC need to have a better selection, I mean, if somebody was just starting out with FPSC and saw this deal, they're not gonna have any new weapon packs to use in their new game. They'd have a much better time selling them if they included MP6 or 9 and 10. Not saying I want these packs to go on sale (I already own them) but these Arteria packs do not really give a good first impression.
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2010 10:38
That's a far more constructive way of putting it.

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2010 12:55
Quote: "but these Arteria packs do not really give a good first impression"


That's a matter of opinion - they're far better than I could do in a reasonable amount of time and look good with normal maps applied as in my earlier screenshot. A few have problems in their construction admittedly (I'm surprised the pack hasn't been revised to correct those, but that's another matter). In this deal each pack costs about £2 which equates to a few pence per model. What on earth do you expect for the price?
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2010 13:04
Quote: "That's a matter of opinion - they're far better than I could do in a reasonable amount of time and look good with normal maps applied as in my earlier screenshot."


If you think these give a good impression then imagine what kind of response you'd get for one of EAI's packs, or maybe some of Bond's characters. And I can imagine this selling extremely well with the Metro pack bundled in.

If there's one thing I've learned with my experiences with anybody/anything trying to sell videogames, it's that you can earn a LOT of trust by giving stuff away or selling it for very cheap. And yes, I know compared to the industry stuff these packs are sold for chump change, but my point still stands.

Take this with a pinch of salt though. I've spent a lot of time with various communities over the past year and may not know whta I'm talking about.
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2010 13:21
Quote: "but my point still stands."

True but the impression you are giving is that these packs are not good value for money which they clearly are.

There's no disputing that some packs with (for example) Bond1's work in would sell more but perhaps those packs are still making plenty of money as they are and TGC and Bond1 don't feel they need to drop their prices yet.

To point out that a particular artists work does not compare to another when the price difference clearly indicates that devalues both artists work because:

1-You are saying the 'better' artists work is comparable to the 'worse' artists work
2-You are saying the 'worse' artists work is not worthy of being sold for a few pence

At least that's how I would see it from their POV...

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2010 20:27
This thread is about the Model pack Deal for Xmas 2010, please keep it that way.



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Posted: 23rd Nov 2010 07:39
Quote: "This thread is about the Model pack Deal for Xmas 2010, please keep it that way.
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It still is; We are discussing the choices of the packs included in it.

Quote: "True but the impression you are giving is that these packs are not good value for money which they clearly are.

There's no disputing that some packs with (for example) Bond1's work in would sell more but perhaps those packs are still making plenty of money as they are and TGC and Bond1 don't feel they need to drop their prices yet.

To point out that a particular artists work does not compare to another when the price difference clearly indicates that devalues both artists work because:

1-You are saying the 'better' artists work is comparable to the 'worse' artists work
2-You are saying the 'worse' artists work is not worthy of being sold for a few pence

At least that's how I would see it from their POV..."


You've taken it the wrong way. No doubt this is a great deal, very good value for money: All I'm saying is that every single MP deal TGC has brought out lately has focused mainly on Arteria packages. What I'm trying to say is that TGC would get many more sales if they included one or two of their best packages, like the ones mentioned previously.
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Posted: 23rd Nov 2010 09:47
Quote: "This thread is about the Model pack Deal for Xmas 2010, please keep it that way."

Agreed, this is getting silly, partly due to me getting the hump about the negativity being shown towards Arteria. I'll not comment any more on this as seems to be being discussed in a more positive and constructive way now.

On topic:
I really like all of the packs I have from this group, if I had the spare cash I'd take this deal for the ones I don't have.

I don't think you can ever have enough assets to choose from and a lot of people (like me) use these packs for DBP games too (I used model pack 1 for my game below "The Last Stand"). Even the lower quality models are invaluable for me as I tend to use them for 'larger scale' games where detail is almost unnoticeable.

In "The Last Stand" I even reduced the texture quality as it was designed for Netbooks and the difference was barely noticeable.

Deals like this (and the Dark Studio bonanza deal) make it really cheap to make good quality games and for that I'm grateful to TGC...

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As the Deal stands its seems to be a Bargain - BUT the price is a bit misleading.

Was that done on purpose for some reason?
I mean the price is quoted as £51.15 - but than VAT is added and BOOM...

The fact that VAT will be added to the pricing should be written on the main page - and Not discovered when you actually have to finally click to Buy.

I think TGC needs to amend the page displaying this deal and display all information correctly rather than giving once price and than adding the VAT and P&P etc at a later stage - thus suprising the buyer with a price increase.

It made me think twice and had to cancel the purchase...

Also - it would have been nice to have seen the weapons Model Packs (5,6,9 or 10)included with this thus replacing model packs 7 and 19...

~LK~
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Posted: 27th Nov 2010 10:51
Quote: "The fact that VAT will be added to the pricing should be written on the main page - and Not discovered when you actually have to finally click to Buy."


Yes, I was surprised by that as well - but it seems to be the case for other TGC products too. Some sort of generic warning to cover taxes that might apply in various countries seems to be needed when prices are first mentioned - like the "(Not including VAT and shipping, if applicable)" that you see after you've decided to Click to Buy.

All relevant charges should be up front.

Still a good deal though.
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Posted: 29th Nov 2010 10:07 Edited at: 29th Nov 2010 10:08
Quote: "The fact that VAT will be added to the pricing should be written on the main page - and Not discovered when you actually have to finally click to Buy."


I've been surprised by this on other TGC products in the past, but I've brought enough now to expect it. However, I know of at least one friend of mine who cancelled his order for FPSC because of the unexpected price rise when he came to pay for it. I can't think of many online stores where the price you see isn't the price you pay apart from TGC.

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Great deal, but I dont have the money for it.

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Posted: 1st Dec 2010 13:03 Edited at: 1st Dec 2010 13:04
I've been looking at this deal time to time. Maybe I'll fall for it someday and buy it Many of the model packs include some handy stuff I could use.
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Posted: 1st Dec 2010 22:23
Stupid question, but here goes..

I know this is meant for FPSC, but can you still use all of them in DBPro and elsewhere? Are they in DBO or X format, or some other format?

Thanks.

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The models are in .x format. At least the model packs I've bought could all have been installed for FPSC X9, FPSC X10 or as a stand-alone pack. I think there is no reason why you couldn't use these in DBPro.
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Ok. Thanks. (ordering...)

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My wife and I ordered this yesterday and it is well worth the price. As soon as everything was completed, we were sitting down planning more developments with the new acquisitions. This will keep us quite busy now for some time.

Thanks to Mike Johnson for his assistance with our order and fielding our questions. We appreciate everything you and TGC staff do for the community and your customers.

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Quote: "I know this is meant for FPSC, but can you still use all of them in DBPro and elsewhere? Are they in DBO or X format, or some other format?"

Hey KISTech. Yeah I use the FPSC model packs all the time... The Last Stand is almost entirely FPSC models.

I love them all, even the less well modelled ones because you can use them in so many ways. A little imagination can take these models a long way!

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Downloading... downloading... downloading...

This is going to take half the day at this rate. My internet is 25 megabit fiber, but I'm only getting around 120KB/sec.

It's an awesome deal, of that I have no doubt.

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[Edit Oops - forgot to read next page before posting. Well here's my response anyway - and yes it does take a while to download. ]

Yes, you can use them all in DBPro without too much difficulty. Just do the usual checks for assumed locations for textures etc. The ones I've looked at are all in .X format. Here's a screenshot using one of the models in Pack 15 (in this particular instance I had to modify the model because it didn't have normals or something - hence the extra "fm" in the filename, i.e. fm for FragMOTION ). It wasn't one of the better models but it'll save me a lot of time.

Most of the models load directly though.



Here's the loading code - I just copied the relevant model and image to my own folder and calculated a normal map from the main texture.

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@Green Gandalf
@KIStech
Yeah it does take a while to download - and for some apparent reason I couldn't start multiple downloads all at once - had to be one Model Pack at a time - this was even true for the DarkGAME Studio downloads. Maybe its a security feature - who knows...

@Green Gandalf
Matey - Many Thansk for that snippet of code...will come in handy...
Just oen question...I'm still getting used to this 3D modelling lark but what do you mean by "...I had to modify the model because it didn't have normals..."????

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Posted: 4th Dec 2010 12:29
Quote: "Just oen question...I'm still getting used to this 3D modelling lark but what do you mean by "...I had to modify the model because it didn't have normals..."????"


This isn't the best place to ask that question. If you post that question on the DBPro or DBPro Newcomers board you'll get a detailed reply from someone.

For now I'll just say that each vertex in a model usually has some additional data such as "normals" - these tell the program which direction the surface is supposed to be facing at that vertex. This information is used in lighting calculations for example. The model in question did in fact have normals but for some bizarre reason they were all zero which meant it appeared black.
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Posted: 4th Dec 2010 12:41 Edited at: 4th Dec 2010 12:43
When the fact is that all of these packs are cheap at the price when sold individually this deal is entirely awesome, these packs at their regular price are way undervalued and to sell these at the price offered as a bundle is too good a deal too miss for those that dont create their own media or just want a quick solution for their media required, to complain about individual items in this offer is just churlish and folks should aknowledge that TGC at least offer their users this kind of deal.I think all of the media on offer is something you are not going to get anywhere at the quality and price no matter how hard you search for it.
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Posted: 4th Dec 2010 15:15
Quote: "to complain about individual items in this offer is just churlish "


I wasn't complaining, I was showing how to load a model into DBPro (and I added the comment to avoid confusing anyone who tried that particular model) - and I thought my earlier posts made it quite clear that I think it's a very good deal for the very reasons you stated. It was perhaps unfortunate that happened to be the model I had handy when I prepared the snippet - which one user at least seems to think useful.

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