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Great Knight
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Wouldent it be cool if you could import Java Class files into dark baic pro.

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Depends if you find Java cool or not? Personally I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. But hey, each to their own.

Oh and no, it'll never happen, sorry

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Ummm,... no.

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Dr OcCuLt
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Posted: 3rd Oct 2003 15:36
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you can run java app in DBpro by uesing EXECUTE FILE and sending the class to the JRE. i`v do this but it not the same as import one

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Shadow Robert
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nope... if i need to code in Java Class style i'll use VC++ and a DLL thanks

however i wouldn't say no if your offering to make a java class from DBP for online use

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it'd be nice if I can use VB dlls but oh well

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If you wanna make DLLs, why not use a proper language like c/c++?

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lol VB dll ... there was something missing VB activeX dll <--- thats the reason why you can't use them, dbp is no com based language
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I know why I can't use them, I just said it would be nice.
As far as a proper language yeah C++ used to be king (and still is) but with the advent of .NET and the CLR (Common Language Runtime) the playing field has been leveled between us VB guys and the (for the most part) snotty C++ developers.

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You forgot the friendly Delphi programmers.

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LOL

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Gosh, Delphi. It would be fun to have a look at, considering I started out in programming once upon a time with Pascal.

*sentimental memories*

Those were the days. Pascal was actually fun to use, even though you couldn't really use it for anything outside school. It was too strict for the newbies, and too slow for the pros.

Besides, the Amiga and AMOS was much cooler and more fun.

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Quote: "You forgot the friendly Delphi programmers."

nope delphi exports viable DLLs for DBP
RobK's Blue Plugin is a good example

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I hate Java, but unfortunately I'm stuck with using it, as its the backbone of my degree.
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Posted: 5th Oct 2003 14:55 Edited at: 5th Oct 2003 14:58
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Quote: "nope delphi exports viable DLLs for DBP "

Really? Who would have thought it. But wait! Where did I say it doesn't? :p

Quote from Cattlerustler:
"but with the advent of .NET and the CLR (Common Language Runtime) the playing field has been leveled between us VB guys and the (for the most part) snotty C++ developers."

My reply:
"You forgot the friendly Delphi programmers."

So Cattlerustler's sentence should read:
"the playing field has been leveled between us VB guys, the (for the most part) snotty C++ developers and the friendly Delphi developers."

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Quote: "Pascal was actually fun to use, even though you couldn't really use it for anything outside school. It was too strict for the newbies, and too slow for the pros."

Fortunately some things *do* change.

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I know the original post stated about importing Java classes, but is this what you really mean, are you after a more object oriented approach for DarkBASIC Professional in general? Like what would be nice in DB is usertypes with private/public functions, and most importantly, inheritance. Never mind the polymorphism crap, the inheritance feature would really boost productivity. Unfortunately, and I'm sure that TGC will agree, this detracts the whole simplicity away from DarkBASIC Professional as a unique and easy to use language.

Just a though.

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@ Empty

LOL

(vb programmer hugs delphi programmer, both sneer at C++ programmer)

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Quote: "(vb programmer hugs delphi programmer, both sneer at C++ programmer)"


What about us folks that use a variety of programming tools to accomplish their desires (and jobs)? Delphi, VB, C++, PHP (I know, scripting)???

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It would be nice to just have enhanced UDTs!
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"It would be nice to just have enhanced UDTs!"

no, it would be nice to have basic UDTs. right now they're not even there yet.

and while we're importing java class files, let's make DBP able to compile every programming language that's ever been written and ever will be written. and fast. and make it all work together. and let's make DBP into an operating system as well!

i'm not saying it's bad to dream but... i swear....

stop looking at me!
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Great Knight
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Not like write java way in dark basic, but use functions from the class file you made. so at top I would Import the file and then call the functions like a regular call.

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Quote: "
Fortunately some things *do* change.
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Hey, this WAS when the 386 was beginning to flush out the old 286's.

We were all in awe of that new power-beast. And the the 386 came with something like the whopping 2 MB of RAM.

Our school couldn't afford the new machines, though. We had to trudge on with the old 286's. With Turbo Pascal.

This when there was this strange, imponderable beast called the Amiga out there. The Amiga Amiga 1000 was just beginning to appear in stores. And then, after a while, came that funny sounding basic language. AMOS Pro.

Gee, I feel ancient.

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Ah, yes Turbo Pascal.
I switched to the PC with the dawn of the 486s (coming from Atari ST) and programmed quite a few bits and pieces in Turbo Pascal (it was much better than ST-Pascal). But then came Windows 3.0 and Turbo Pascal for Windows. Awful.

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Anyone else here remember Visual Basic for DOS? or GW-BASIC, or BASIC on the Commodore, or even the TI-994a?
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I was an ATARI 400 BASIC guy then sort of "fell" out of programming in my mid-teens, then re-emerged when the 486DX2-66 came along. Then I found VB....sweet!

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TheOneRing, I remember, I still have the original Visual Basic v1 disks which was running on Windows v3.1 on an old 286. Things were certainly different with the language then LOL.


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Is there a demo of Delphi out there somewhere? Borland us usually, and I guess they have to be, quite liberal with creating demos. I've had basically every instance of C++ Builder from magazine CD's, but never Delphi.

I'm curious as to how similar Object Pascal is to Pascal. Perhaps Object Pascal would be better for me to learn than to struggle with C++? I don't have a head for C++ anyway. I'm way too impatient, particularly about debugging.

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There use to be a download of "Delphi6 Personal" on Borland's homepage. But since Delphi7 was released the only thing you can download is the trial of the "Architect" version. Prolly you can find "Delphi7 Personal" on a cover CD. It's free for non-commercial use.

Quote: "I'm curious as to how similar Object Pascal is to Pascal. Perhaps Object Pascal would be better for me to learn than to struggle with C++? I don't have a head for C++ anyway. I'm way too impatient, particularly about debugging."

Almost all of the standard Pascal functions and procedures are still in. The OO stuff is well integrated IMHO. If you have a basic idea of OOP you shouldn't have probs with Object Pascal.

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OBJECTS RULE

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There use to be a download of "Delphi6 Personal" on Borland's homepage. But since Delphi7 was released the only thing you can download is the trial of the "Architect" version.
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That's where back issues of magazines come in handy. I just bought a back issue of a swedish mag with Delphi 6 on it. I'm going to have a look at it, and see what all the fuzz is about.

Is there a marked performance difference between Object Pascal and C++? Not that I'd care much. I've had ideas for programs that Visual Basic just doesn't elegantly let me implement. That's why I've been struggling with C++.

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If you have a basic idea of OOP you shouldn't have probs with Object Pascal.
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Well, I've only really used OOP as far as it's implemented in Visual Basic, with its implementation of classes and objects. If it's anything similar, then sure -- I can use it.

We'll see, I guess.

Btw, perhaps one of the mods should move this discussion to General Talk as it appears to have moved far away from talk about Dark Basic Pro.

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Quote: "Is there a marked performance difference between Object Pascal and C++? Not that I'd care much. I've had ideas for programs that Visual Basic just doesn't elegantly let me implement. That's why I've been struggling with C++."

That depends on the compiler. Generally Delphi produces very fast executables. However, if you need SIMD instructions (MMX, 3DNow) there are alternatives like free pascal or vector pascal.

Quote: "Well, I've only really used OOP as far as it's implemented in Visual Basic, with its implementation of classes and objects. If it's anything similar, then sure -- I can use it."

I don't know VB that much, but from what I've seen it's not that different.

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Got the Delphi 6 magazine cd yesterday. It looks great. It looks very similar to Visual Basic. I think I can use it. Now to buy the live version, and it appears you can do without the VB addons required too and make a truly native application without the runtimes.

Sweet.

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Now lets talk about Ada with the gcc compiler. lol

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You forgot the ol' mighty QBASIC!!!!


I used Turbo Pascal on a Cyrix 133. So it was kinda like a 286!
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I hear that PowerBasic is also great for doimg dbp compatible dll's.
I cant get a windows demo ,only dos. Does any know were I can get one?

Me, You, DBP and everything else, were made in the same place. The Stars!
I wonder what kind of matter DBP bugs are made of ... antimatter ??
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Quote: "or even the TI-994a?"


yAy my first ever computer. washed a tonne of windows for it and a 48k rom cartridge.

tunnels of doom rocked on it

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