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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Any way to stop piracy?

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Delusional Games
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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 11:22
Like Zis,

I have some friends in the UK who made games with ``PIRATED``
Fps Creator, and selled them to Jerks who barely know what the computer is. And Imagine how I (Ordinary guy who bought FPSC from Amazon(The most painful part was waiting to come to my country)) must felt when they told me that. So I`m here today apelling to TGC to make Piracy Check software to determine if the game has been developed with pirated software.

Thank you.

Ziveli

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Deathcow
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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 12:13
Problem is that the more you try to stop people pirating your software, you end up hurting your customers and not the pirates. If you look at any of the big titles like modern warfare you will see that they have been pirated. So for the pirate it is not a big deal to pirate in the first place even if the DRM software is in place, because it can be hacked.

So to be honest in my opinion more DRM hurts your customers and not the pirates. Even steam which I beleive is a good DRM system has many games being pirated.

The only real way to protect your software is throught the law and maybe with limited DRM software like codes.

Pirating has been around for a long time and well before the internet was around. Back in the days of commodore 64 there was many pirated games.

DC

Nbt
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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 12:45
Just make FPSC phone home when it's doing the "checking your files for you" bit, so it can check your serial key.

Then make the fpsc forums locked to fpsc purchasers ONLY! by requiring you to use your purchasing code/serial or whatever to create your forum account. An open section can then be created for non-registered users.

This would do two useful things. 1) It would lock away all the free media and hardwork of registered members from the freeloaders. 2) It would hopefully clean the forums up of the recent spam-o-like repetitive space wasters etc.

xhogan89x
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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 13:00
@nbt totally agreed!
Cyborg ART
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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 13:45
Quote: "Then make the fpsc forums locked to fpsc purchasers ONLY! by requiring you to use your purchasing code/serial or whatever to create your forum account. An open section can then be created for non-registered users.

"


Sounds good, but I have nothing registered on this account. All my modelpacks, FPSC, Dark Basic Pro and plugins are on another e-mail...



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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 13:49
cyberg for active your account for enter the forum you can use your fpsc serial code
The Storyteller 01
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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 16:58
Quote: "This would do two useful things. 1) It would lock away all the free media and hardwork of registered members from the freeloaders. 2) It would hopefully clean the forums up of the recent spam-o-like repetitive space wasters etc.
"


As much as I aggree with you, I have to throw in at 1) that this only makes sense if you cannot download the free stuff from other sites. And some of the free FPSC media sites are so well done and helpfull in finding just the media I need, that I wouldn't want to miss them.

In case you find my grammar and spelling weird ---> native German speaker ^^
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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 17:47
There's no way to tell if someone's pirating, every measure can be counter-measured, simple as...

mgarand
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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 18:01
i like the protected forum idea, like leadwerks did. Like NBT said. Maybe ask lee or someone else about this. It would really help



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JLMoondog
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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 19:34
I don't agree with this, because honestly before I got FPSC I spent a week or two browsing the FPSC side of the forums, checking out what it can do. Some peps here don't even have a TGC product.

You'll never stop piracy regardless of how many hurdles you throw in.


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Delusional Games
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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 20:17
@Nbt Agree.
Quote: "So to be honest in my opinion more DRM hurts your customers and not the pirates."
Thats sooo true.
But,
What if I make a commercial game and I used the FPSC some local Terrorist gave me. No one will ever know.
Or I bought a game from developers which didnt spent a penny on their game software? No one will ever know.
Or someone playing my pirated game. No one will ever know.

Piracy is dead sea, like many things in the life we try to fight against.
Every single drop, every try to stop it. Just makes a splash and vanishes.

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Posted: 13th Nov 2010 23:12 Edited at: 13th Nov 2010 23:15
Quote: "So to be honest in my opinion more DRM hurts your customers and not the pirates."

Agree

Quote: "you'll never stop piracy regardless of how many hurdles you throw in."

Agree

Heck, I agree with most of the things said here, and I am glad this thread has so many wise posters.

My view has always been that a company can spend their time better by serving the paying customers, rather than wasting time with people who would never have paid.
Honest people pay for their licenses and deserve the companies' attention more than the dishonest pirates who never spend a dime.

It's like they said above, you can't stop it no matter what you do.
So, why waste your precious development time on the pirates instead of the paying customers?

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 02:44
Quote: "You'll never stop piracy regardless of how many hurdles you throw in."


Sad, but true

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 03:00 Edited at: 14th Nov 2010 03:03
Quote: "My view has always been that a company can spend their time better by serving the paying customers, rather than wasting time with people who would never have paid.
Honest people pay for their licenses and deserve the companies' attention more than the dishonest pirates who never spend a dime."


As company owners, both my wife and I can tell you that one can spend tonnes of money trying to combat piracy, only to see maybe 1% prevented. However, for us, it does not just apply to paid products though. Illegal distribution of someone's product (meaning you put it on a site without the author's permission) is also on the rise, even if that product is free. For example, within the last month, we have seen our mod distributed onto other sites without our permission. We have a document that clearly states the distribution is illegal and subject to legal laws. We have already legally pursued six individuals, but over time it becomes real costly if we have to continue pursuing individuals that don't have a care who they hurt to get what they want.

We have to agree with Conjured Entertainment with the quote above. We tend to focus more on those that paid for/registered for our products and go the extra mile for them. Besides, we look at the fact if our work has to be pirated, then it gets our product out there and obviously we made something good for that to happen. Besides, sooner or later people get caught. The six individuals that we pursued forgot that we're programmers and what our background is.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 09:30
No.

Leongamerz
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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 10:08
We can stop piracy but its to hard.A pirate always make a secret website to make him safe and pirate not only in TGC Forum but the over whole world.I think we can't do anything so any suggestion?

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 13:59 Edited at: 14th Nov 2010 14:00
Quote: "For example, within the last month, we have seen our mod distributed onto other sites without our permission. "


Seriously? I mean, wth, your mod is free! Why not just send a link to your site to people who would like the mod? My brain hurts from trying to figure out stupid people.


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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 14:08 Edited at: 14th Nov 2010 14:13
Quote: ". If you look at any of the big titles like modern warfare you will see that they have been pirated"


lol, I find it a fail

Infinity Ward thought that by using the match making from the console versions they would stop piracy aswell as using steam in MW2 but it didn't, it was a gateway to making a new network called AlterIWnet that was alot better then the proper game (Wish I pirated it now ). Using steam was also a fail aswell, on the first release people could add a illigal character to their name and it would not kick them with a steam error.

Treyarch thought that by using steam like Infinity Ward did for MW2 they would make Black Ops piracy proof but again, it has just enhanced it because these companies don't understand that steam is probally easier to crack as you only need to edit the steam_api.dll that comes with the game and maybe a few things in the exe file.

Main thing is that piracy is a powerfull force in the universe It's hard to stop it and if you can...... Then chuck norris has assisted you

But overall piracy won't be stopped, there is no way to stop it, you can edit all the files you want, use all the serials you want, ban all the sites you want, Use steam all you want, use windows live for games all you want,Use DRM all you want,Use DVD/CD protection all you want, use DLL's all you want, use online activation for games all you want, Use..... Well you get the point

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 14:12
Quote: "Main thing is that piracy is a powerfull force in the universe It's hard to stop it and if you can...... Then chuck norris has assisted you."


Then I guess company's should hire Bruce Lee.


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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 14:13 Edited at: 14th Nov 2010 14:14
Yeah I agree with BigSnake and Josh Mooney

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 14:15 Edited at: 14th Nov 2010 14:15
Quote: "Then I guess company's should hire Bruce Lee."


Only problem is that is a rage quit of chuck norris which would then just destroy the company with a nuke and maybe a apocalpse in the companies land

It's a loose - loose situation lol

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 14:17
Why don't company hire Max Payne hehe

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 14:41
Quote: "Only problem is that is a rage quit of chuck norris which would then just destroy the company with a nuke and maybe a apocalpse in the companies land "


You do know that Bruce Lee killed Chuck Norris?

Anyway, back on topic.


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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 14:48 Edited at: 14th Nov 2010 14:50
Iam so weird why pirate are always want to steal something games like MW2.Its not bring benefit to the creator of that game.Iam so disappointed to Ifnity Ward.I afraid that TGC will ruin because of the FPSC Pirate.I think we need to prevent it but its hard

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Deathcow
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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 15:05
I would imagine that when companies release their games/software they build into their business model, people pirating their game/software. It is simple business, people do pay and allot of people are honest. It all comes down to the percentage of pirates to the percentage of paying users. You would hope that the percentage of paying users is allot higher than the percentage that pirate the software. Companies like TGC, EA or even Microsoft know the affect pirates have on their business and plan to try an counter the affect.

Even users on this forum need to take into account that someone is going to pirate your game. So you have to plan, how you would counter it.

DC

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 15:08
Quote: "Even users on this forum need to take into account that someone is going to pirate your game. So you have to plan, how you would counter it."


You are right.But all FPSC games are free but what happen if pirate take our FPSC Games and sell it with his friend.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 18:51
Quote: "You are right.But all FPSC games are free but what happen if pirate take our FPSC Games and sell it with his friend."
I wouldn't say "all". There are a decent amount of commercial FPSC games out there.

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