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FPSC Classic Product Chat / [LOCKED] Why I left.

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wizard of id
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 12:15 Edited at: 10th Dec 2010 15:49
Well this is a odd appearance which would probably be the last one as well if this doesn't get nipped in the butt or banned because every thing that follows is the truth.

I am doing this as I still get emails very now and then asking about this about thing.The occasional swearing because I removed media that I refuse to upload again blah blah....

There are still some people that are more than welcome to email me, like starmind for example as I said if he ever needs help he can push my button.Well starmind I am still busy sorting your stuff haven't had much time, good thing the weekend is coming up that will allow more time to do so.

Now to the reason why I left.I don't know how many times it has been mentioned what a bunch of immature members can be found on this forum, the constant bickering about this and that engine that has nothing to do with the actual forum.

The belittling of members even noobs are not immune to the all mighty alleged game developer gods of the forum, who think I am the REMOVED.Frankly it was annoying then it got to the point as to wanting to take a piece of wire and poke my eyes out or try and avoid such confrontations.

Eventually it spilled to every other thread having to read 300 posts till you actually get some thing useful and not the usual spam that goes with it.

The big headed egos here just because I got 700 posts in my thread and every one says cool game I am lord master, yet half of them are barely out of primary school.

Never have I seen people so god damn defensive.Never have I seen so many egotistic people.This site has many, many different cultures here each one trying to make theirs more superior, frankly neither members or their parents have told them any sort of acceptance to other people and their culture or their way of doing things.

Frankly Lee, the head administrator and mods need to grow a pair and start stepping in, and in a way start either enforcing some respect for culture diversity, or as persons of authority teach the mostly young impressionable minds here what it is actually to give some one else human dignity.


Frankly the last straw when I was personally attack in a thread because some idiot had a different opinion to my choice I had made.


Frankly if you can't work together as a forum team you ain't going any where.

So yeah peace out and for gods sake work together for a change and stop with the annoying bickering and things that has nothing to do with FPSC or any other TGC product.

Yours banned truly wiz.

Oh BTW the old email address in now inactive.

Just been chatting to my neighbours teenage daughter and it turns out she's big into UFOs and aliens.

Which is cool because tomorrow she's getting abducted.
Poloflece
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 12:43
I may get in trouble with some higher authority, but I entirely agree with you, I think that there should be a board for people who have sigend up before 2009 with some exeptions eg Zwarte piet . That has been suggested before but it should be only for discussion, files for the community would be moved to the normal board.

Anyway off topic, something does need to be done about the behaiviour of the members on this site. Dark Jame's attacks on you, zwarte piet, vortech and myself were unacceptable and I'm surprised on the softness of his punishment. I was also personally attacked by a member (being called a stalker) after I informed him that something he had uploaded was illegal.

Anyway I totaly agree with you and I think that this thread should not be locked but moderaters listening to what you are saying. This isn't omegle, this is a game development website

Poloflece


Poloflece, not to be mistaken for polofleece, polar fleece or polar flece. But I like to go by Polo or PFG, SO GET USED TO IT!
Poloflece
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 12:44 Edited at: 10th Dec 2010 12:48
Nevermind (double post error)


Poloflece, not to be mistaken for polofleece, polar fleece or polar flece. But I like to go by Polo or PFG, SO GET USED TO IT!
CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 12:50
I have to agree, but the forum's never been different, so it's probably best to move on...

I only fly by here due to habit, and to see 3D Chat and Geek Culture. The more free media poured into the FPSC community, the worse it seems to get, but hey, we all know kids who get everything get spoilt rotten.

Poloflece
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 12:52 Edited at: 10th Dec 2010 12:56
It is getting worse, with a lot more pirates appearing aswell.

I just thought of another farfetched idea, I think every new member, on registration or before passing noob status, should have a small test going over the rules. Making it impossible to fail but it would still help users think before posting.

Poloflece


Poloflece, not to be mistaken for polofleece, polar fleece or polar flece. But I like to go by Polo or PFG, SO GET USED TO IT!
BeauPratten
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 13:50 Edited at: 10th Dec 2010 13:50
It's a shame that the immaturity of some of the forum members has come to this...well done for speaking out wiz and I sincerely wish you the best of luck for the future...

-BeauPratten

mgarand
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 13:59
agree with my south african friend , this is why i stopped giving free media away. People are spoiled here. If someone needs a model, 10 modelers help him and in my opinion this is great. But some people take advantage of this.

Dark Goblin
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 14:02
I totally agree with you.

Sometimes I think a lot of people just write the same thing in every thread and never look at what is really in there and than the important threads become a spam thread and nothing more.

We really need a change in the forums, so all the bashing and spamming stops.
A lot of the old members (I also know) are gone because of that and now the new ones (mostly mabe not even old enough to use FPSC or even a PC) start to appear and make a flame war in a lot of threads.

I could say a lot more, but I want to stay here, inside the forums and dont want to attack anyone with anything so In stop now.

Two words:
Change something!

... efxMod Developer!
mgarand
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 14:26
DG, nice spoken. Im also getting sick of all the threads about fpsc x9 and x10. You can find all the information in our lovely search button...

Cyborg ART
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 14:38
Agree with all of you. We need some kind of structure, or what you call it.

But still, its hard when many of the users are below a decent age and/or think they dont have to follow rules.

Benjamin
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 14:41
I'd say the problem is split between the average age of users here, the lack of a quick and easy way to report posts, and the quite basic and hidden-away search feature that so many people seem to miss. I'd be willing to wager that it's mostly the former.
mgarand
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 14:44
hmm yeh maybe its hard to find the search button for newones.

The Storyteller 01
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 15:20 Edited at: 10th Dec 2010 15:23
I'll share my 2 framerates on the "general topic":

When I got here I was probably very spoiled from other gaming/media places, most notably the Bioware forums, the NWN2 community on IGN and the hirstarts forum.

I really couldn't belive how arrogant, self-centered and intolerant some of the established member where and I was shocked with the amount of worthless spam and petty insults some trolls did get away with without being banned on the spot.

But after the first irritation (which honestly took about half a year), I realized that if I'd simply start to do my own personal modding It could work out. That included
- ignoring new WIP threads until the have 25+ posts
- ignoring WIP threads at all that include "fangame/remake" in the title
- ignoring threads that include more than 1 CAPITAL-letter word in the title
- ignoring threads started by anyone who's nick includes "studio", "inc." "corp." etc
- ignoring any thread that reads like "uRgEnT PL$$ hElP!!!"
- ignoring posts that don't use interpunction
- ignoring all posts in any threads from my personal blacklist.
- not publicly evaluate any demo game or model pack I have nothing good to say about (the biggest waste of time in most cases)

Since I started to stick to these rules (and I regret every single occasional lapse to it!), I realized how many intelligent, helpfull, creative, generous, witty and productive people this board have.

They might not be in the majority and they definitely don't have the highest average post count per day - but they are worth staying here.

In case you find my grammar and spelling weird ---> native German speaker ^^
Juzi
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 15:21
I do agree that this forum is filled with immature kids and something has to be done. Like more strict post moderation for new comers?

But think at the bright side: For me atleast, I've found many awesome people here which I consider as "internet friends". Would be awesome to meet them face to face some day

Anyways, sad to see one great member leaving the forums once again. Good luck with your future, was nice to have you here.

Bugsy
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 15:38
I'd agree with you, and I also understand why you felt bad when you got tonnes of downloads and no thread posts with a thank you. the fact that you still kept modeling for a while, is awesome, and my heart goes out to you.

I'll miss you, Wizard of Id, you're truly a great modeler, and what you made took FPSC a step above traditional segments. Best of luck to you in all of your future endeavors.

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wizard of id
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 15:57 Edited at: 10th Dec 2010 15:58
Actually I am still around just don't log in any more or participate in the forum in any ways,have to keep FPSC up to date of course so there are only two threads that I follow have booked marked and check once a week or so.

If things improve perhaps....unlikely but you never know.

Lurking in the shadows for now.

Glad to see not the only one fed up.

So yeah still actively doing new segments and stuff for FPSC.

Just been chatting to my neighbours teenage daughter and it turns out she's big into UFOs and aliens.

Which is cool because tomorrow she's getting abducted.
Lewis
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:00 Edited at: 10th Dec 2010 16:00
You'll always be awesome wizard.

Roger Wilco
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:01
You've got a lot of good points in your post, Wizard. I rarely comment threads on the boards unless there's something really interesting going on.

Another thing that bothers me is the widespread fear of criticism that appears to be present on the boards. You can't give someone a good, frank piece of advice without them going, as you say, overly defensive.
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:03
Quote: "the lack of a quick and easy way to report posts"

The button to report (abusive) posts has always been at the bottom right of each post...on the bar. It's about as easy as it gets, Ben.

I'm going to agree with most of Wiz's statements as well; although, as far as Lee and the Mods needing to "grow a pair"...I don't. Lee is pretty busy with actual development of all the TGC products, meetings, conventions and other things that take up his time; that's why there are moderators on the TGC Boards. The Moderators are not all-knowing/seeing, despite popular belief; we (which has been stated before) also have lives of our own. When someone emails me, or another Mod, with a link to a troubled thread/post, we tend to investigate and act on it.

As some may have surmised, I have discovered a way to come back full time to the BOTB side of things and still have time for my own development. Although I'm not back to moderate as such; until another FPSC Mod or two are annointed, I will be taking the better part of an afternoon out soon to go over ALL the FPSC Boards, and "cleaning house". All postings that violate the AUP or the special FPSC-only Rules will be dealt with, along with the poster. Fair warning. I'll also be updated the Master Thread and Rules.

I agree that things have been allowed to degenerate lately. It's a shame to see developers like WofId leave because of it. He's not the only one who has left either.

Again; fair warning to all that the Hammer is coming down soon.

-Keith

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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:05
Quote: "The button to report (abusive) posts has always been at the bottom right of each post...on the bar. It's about as easy as it gets, Ben."


Ah right, didn't realise they changed it to report to moderators instead of just the administrator. When did they do that?
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:08
As far as I know it still goes to Daniel; then he (as a paid employee) checks it out and either acts on it, or talks to one of us about it.

-Keith

wizard of id
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:40
Quote: "'m going to agree with most of Wiz's statements as well; although, as far as Lee and the Mods needing to "grow a pair"."
Actually it more directed to sit back and maybe it will sort it self out threads that I have seen.

It also means growing a pair meaning put your foot down once for good and keep it down till there is an actual improve banning a member here and there and giving the odd warning has not work all that well.

It is meant in a good way, perhaps came out wrong should have worded differently, but the general meaning I had attached was please sort things out extra measures are required to get things shipshape.

Do it long enough and eventually those who disagree leave and those that agree get inline.Eventually you will have harmony and weed out any but the odd out of liner.

Freedom is a right, doesn't mean it needs to be abused at the expense of others.

Just been chatting to my neighbours teenage daughter and it turns out she's big into UFOs and aliens.

Which is cool because tomorrow she's getting abducted.
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:43
Simply put: TGC forums are not what they used to be,thats why I don't hang around the FPSC board anymore. Somebody should really step up and get rid of the spam and make some changes.


mgarand
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:47
too bad we dont have that features as common members

Bootlicker
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:52
i do realise that this thread was practically made to condemn what im about to do, but it kinda pisses me off just to say nothing

everyone here is saying 'i agree with you' yet the problem is still there? I dont particularly understand how that works.

although once again contradicting myself... kinda. I totally agree


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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:52
Quote: "as far as Lee and the Mods needing to "grow a pair"..."


I've got a pair.

I was going to go on a rant but decided against it.I will say that I take that statement personally.
We as mods spend our own time as volunteers to keep the sight fairly clean.
Wizard,you are welcome here any time you decide to return.
Bootlicker
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:55
Quote: "I've got a pair.

I was going to go on a rant but decided against it.I will say that I take that statement personally.
We as mods spend our own time as volunteers to keep the sight fairly clean.
Wizard,you are welcome here any time you decide to return."


to be perfectly honest, with the mods being reduced by a few we need at least one more, that practically lives on here. I mean someone who like everyone respects and also has the time.


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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:57 Edited at: 10th Dec 2010 16:59
When the FPSC Mods first came online; we had quite the task ahead of us. It took a good long while to "tame" the Forums, but we did it. All the hate email we each received can attest to that. Doing what you suggest is fine, Wiz; however, it's not a one-time fix, as you can see the forums have degenerated since we initially cleansed them. It takes a near constant vigil to keep this place in order. That also takes a dedicated (and nearly 24-hour) team to accomplish. Since money makes the world go round, we have to have actual jobs to pay the bills. Therefore, the 24-hour operation just isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Trust me; I've given MUCH to this place and it's community over the years, often with little or no thanks as to what it takes to do the job, or all the stuff going on behind the scenes that you guys don't see. We have our limits as well. We also have other obligations in life.

-Keith

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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 16:57
I visit the forums like 10-15 times a day to see the destruction of spam but it just keeps comming.


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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 17:06 Edited at: 10th Dec 2010 17:22
I have to agree with most of what's been said by everyone.

However, I do feel that I have to defend the mods and the work that they do. As KeithC said, they can't all sit in front of their PCs monitoring the boards 24/7, they do have lives outside of the forums.

It's all very well saying that the mods need to do a better job, but the largest share of the responsibilty for the problems we are having is down to the behaviour of the members themselves.

It's all too easy to blame the mods for not doing their job, when it's not even the mods who are doing the spamming or flaming.

Simply put, if the members behaved, the mods wouldn't need to keep having to step in to intervene.

Basically we all need to grow up and take responsibilty for our own actions. Then maybe the valued members like wizard of id, will feel that they are able to return.

As for wizard of id; I wish you all the best for the future and would like to say a huge thank you for all the hard work you have put in to making such amazing media for us. The same goes to all the forum's amazing contributors.

Seth Black
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 17:31 Edited at: 10th Dec 2010 17:36
...these boards used to be much, much worse than they are presently.

Back in the day, rants, belittling, and flame wars were very often the norm,
and tended to errupt at any moment, in almost any thread.

The current mods have done much to improve the environment here. Kudos
to them, for their efforts.

Egomaniacs and condescending schmucks have always trolled these boards
...enjoying the protection that sitting in their underwear, guzzling Mountain Dew,
in the anonymity their mommy & daddy's basement brings.

The internet makes us all brave.

Many of the original contributors have come and went, over the years. Some
became bored, fed up with the antics, or moved on to more cerebral ventures.

I've been there on numerous occasions, but have yet to have the final straw
added to my back.

Simpy put, if it is not fun to be here, quality folks drop these boards like a bad
habit, and take their generosity with them.

The lesson to be learned is that you get out of something, that which you put in.

If these boards decompose into a forum which has precious little to offer, it is only
because the folks here contributed into making that way.

Young folks, if you value what the more generous, senior members offer you, be
respectful. Listen, learn and make them feel appreciated.

@Wizard of Id,

Good luck to you in all of your future endeavours.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 17:33
I must say that this is a heavy loss of talent that, Wizard of id, has stopped participating in this forum. His talent is outstanding and his dedicaton to creating media that had not been introduced to this gaming engine, were outstanding. I will miss going through his sketches and seeing the result come to life.

@ wizard of id: You are always welcome in any of my projects if you so choose. Your participation will be missed.

It is a shame that everyone could not reread there posts, before posting and not hate on the people that do show original talent and Ideas, and are willing to go out of there way to help others, New or old.

This is supposed to be a place to learn from, not a place to hate.

Nothing but coffee in my veins
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 17:38
Quote: "This is supposed to be a place to learn from, not a place to hate."


And there my friends is the crux of the matter, I couldn't have put it better myself.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 17:39
Quote: "...these boards used to be much, much worse than they are presently."


Amen brother! You'll never convince me that the current MOD's have not made a world of difference and greatly improved this community since I've trolled these halls. As for the varied issues we see daily, I chalk that up to the rich variety of people, cultures, and ages that are here. Considering the vast diversity, I guess we do OK.

All the best to you Wizard, in all that you do.

Brian.

... and the band played on.
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 18:39 Edited at: 10th Dec 2010 18:40
Well, I am fairly new to this forum (a year next week) and I haven't realise that the forums had become worse/better over time.

@Wizard I love your work, especially the revamp of the stock media
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 19:06 Edited at: 10th Dec 2010 19:06
Quote: "As far as I know it still goes to Daniel; then he (as a paid employee) checks it out and either acts on it, or talks to one of us about it."


Well then, it's a poor system. It'd be much better to have a system that keeps a database of complaints that every mod can check and act on. I think it'd be a great help to the forums to have a good reporting system. Although, I understand that it still won't solve all the problems - it'll just help keep the place a bit cleaner with more effort from users.
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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 19:49
I've always enjoyed the FPSC forums even now that I don't develop I have a daily look over what's going on and how everything is going.

It's a real shame to see the amount of people that are leaving or taking a less active role, only to be replaced by those members that quite obviously have no idea that English isn't the same as text talk!

I totally agree a new moderator is required here the forums have grown out of control. I also think that although the moderators that we have currently do a fantastic job, we need someone that will not just remove abusive language, but ban those users altogether. It's not acceptable and anyone that is truly serious about development has no need for that sort of tone on the forums, and those who use it have no place here.

The FPSC forums used to be a place I loved to visit recently they have become a place I only visit when I have too and that's not a nice feeling especially with so many people that are truly awesome here.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2010 20:16
If anyone wants to know who locked this I did. If you dont know why well I cant help that. I have no intention of debating further any of this other than to say the content is unacceptable.

Members are free to come and go as they please as long as they stay within the rules.

Moderators will moderate as they see fit.

If another Mod wants to reopen this then thats a matter for them to decide.



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