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ReD_eYe
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Posted: 6th Oct 2003 23:12
Hey guys just wondering what you thought of the Loch ness monster lol i'm doing an oral in english and i gotta argue that the lochness monster doesn't exist, its pretty easy really and its in for tomorrow so i think its a bit late to get any help on this anyways, i just made the pic up, from a couple of images on google to see how easy it is to make a fake.



its not that great but i'm sure it could make some people believe


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Posted: 6th Oct 2003 23:16
LOL i agree, lock nest monster is basiaclly somebody on a boat, monsters do not exist as they dies long long long time ago.
Actually you could put that picture in the news and people will be OMG there it is!!!

LOL

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Posted: 6th Oct 2003 23:28
I saw a pretty convincing programme on UK HOrizons a few weeks ago makes you wonder!

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Posted: 6th Oct 2003 23:38
If Nessie is real then this guy is bound to find it...





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Posted: 6th Oct 2003 23:39 Edited at: 6th Oct 2003 23:41
Why don't you try looking for it yourself ... go here :-

http://www.lochness.co.uk/livecam/

if you do see it, snap it's pic for us will ya.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 00:28
aliens do exist, if you ask me nicely i'll tell you why, i've checked out nearly every nessis site on the web and its all basically the same load of rubbish.


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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 01:02
Other inhabited worlds probably do exist. Yeti probably exists! Loch ness monster would have to be a family of large reptiles. Hard to deny it exists though. I have a feeling that it also exists.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 01:18
Aliens have to exist theres an infinit amount of space in the universe so we can't possibly be the only intelligant (well some of us at least) life form.

And for anyone who cares I figured out why the universe exists: It didn't

If you want more of an in depth explination then, well wait till I get some coffee down my neck.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 01:19 Edited at: 7th Oct 2003 01:22
Nessie is as real as finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, very unlikely.

Do aliens do exist? Of course they do, but that's not the question one should ask. The question should be: Are we being visited by aliens? That's harder to answer.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 01:28
Well weapons of mass destruction in Iraq are unlikely BUT wmd's belonging to Iraq somewhere else, probally.

Wow this is so relevant to the original topic

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 01:40
Well, heres the universe as I figured it out one, very boring french lesson:

Ever heard of that theory that theres an infinite amount of universes (which means that if you travel back in time you actually travel trans dimensionally so whatever you do there doesn't affect you 'home' universe). Well it means that for every single possibiliy theres a universe, so for the universe where theres nothing (ok so its not a universe) more dimmensions of nothing became about each time making somethingness slightly more possible till eventually something happens. Yaahhh. Lol

The trouble is that if theres an infinite amount of universes then there has to be an infinite amount of infinity or infinity squared which is a hell of alot of space to come from absolutly nothing.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 02:01
My head is spinning!

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 02:15
it doesn't matter if nessy truely exists or not...
Does the Loch Ness Monster Exist? well it is very doubtful, but not impossible.
Does it matter if the Monster Exists? no, not at all. The moster is part of the legend that is the Lock Ness. It's the whole part of scottish history, and sometimes a mystery is best left to being a mystery ... although the english countryside isn't overrun by firebreathing dragons, or any possible scientific offspring does it make the legend of St Gorge any less real?

Dragons, Monsters, Sea Beasties, Unicorns ... fabled and mythical creatures maybe able to be totally dismissed by science, but to those who believe in them it doesn't make them any less real than if you could see if infront of your face.

Do I believe there are such things? Sure, its that edge of fantasy which make life seem just that little less real ... something although they're truely terrifying beasts somehow are able to put a smile on someones face. We all need the tails and the fantasy, because when you face the harsh reality of everything and realise that it is probably just a big dumb lake no difference from any other, it looses some of that perfect beauty it once had which came from your imagination.

well thats what i think about it anyways

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 02:20
The Universe is a goldfish bowl......

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 02:22 Edited at: 7th Oct 2003 02:23
You mean there is someone out there topping up our water level and dropping in fish food? Well I never knew that

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 02:33
Sharks, and Angel Fish!
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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 02:54
faked pictures? wtf? when nessie was first photographed digital editing didn't EXIST.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 02:56
Cameras can do special effects too. Double exposures etc. One of the pictures of nessie was a man swimming with his arm sticking out of the water.
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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 07:05 Edited at: 7th Oct 2003 07:07
'faked pictures? wtf? when nessie was first photographed digital editing didn't EXIST.'

ROFL...

Not DIGITAL editing, no, but picture editing was still as common as pennies back then. You just had to actually do some work to make a decent fake.


Loch Ness is a folk tale, a myth, not 'real'. But I've never been there. So...


As for the aliens deal. There is a lot of stuff going around about how 'the universe is infinite so aliens must exist'... blah.

First of all, the universe may not be 'infinite', we don't know. It could be a sphere or a tourus-- those are two popular theories right now.

Second, I personally find it pretty amusing that A) A multitude of people say that creationism is idiotic, B) the same people say there must be aliens as the universe is infinite, and C) we have found no aliens, and no evidence of them. It's a silly little self-sustaining argument that makes no sense. IMO we're alone in the universe... something like humanity dosen't just appear by accident.


Edit-- Oh, and read Raven's post if you haven't already... I agree with it completely.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 07:25
Quote: "Loch Ness is a folk tale, a myth, not 'real'. But I've never been there. So..."


i have its a beautiful place... something like 6miles long, drove past it when i was like 6-7 (well i didn't drive past it my dad did ) - but we had a pitstop at the town nearby. You can see the mountains and the fog was setting in which was amazing to see it rolling down the moutains like an avalance of fluffy white clouds, and the way the evening sun hit it ... one of the most awesome views i've ever seen in my life.

as for aliens, meh - if they're out there, then they are ... if there not the they're not.
There really enough proof in either direction, honestly in my mind there is no doubt there are aliens (extra-terrastrial) - but then again i have a firm believe that there's a god and a whole ordeal of things that follow that.

everyone believes what they want, its the beauty of having choice and imagination

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i for one do believe that there are other life forms out there, i mean witht eh abundance of systems like our own, there is no doubt that ther eis another earth style planet out there, wether they look like the aliens people say with big black eyes and green bodies is questionable. But the fact that the universe is so big i extremely doubt we are alone in teh universe, i mean just think every star you see has a system to itself, so with that many systems it's very likely that the particles involved there have sppawned some kind of organism. Wether they are advanced enough with intergalactic space travel or not we cant tell. And as for the universe being infinite, with the way our minds work we cant fathom it being anything but infinite, i mean if it was a sphere, then there must be an end somewhere. And at that end, what is on the other side, white? or black? and if we got through it what would we see? would we be able to get through it at all? so many questions we cannot answer with our current knowledge. Our knowledge of the universe is only very small, cause we are only a very small part of it, anyone who claims to know how the universe works or to know everything about physics is a liar, we cannot know everything about our world untill we have seen everything about our world. (I don't mean planet.) But if the universe is infinite how will we ever kno weverything, it's impossible. Boggling your mind yet? i have more!
Loch ness monster = myth, however there could just as likely be some large aquatic animal living in the lake, though i doubt its some fire breathing dragon lizard from mars, just a lizard like many other sea creatures.
as for time travel, i agree with the theory we travel to a different universe, because just think, you go back in time tostop adolf hitler from killing some jeuwes, you stop him, so history is changed, but if you stop him from doing it, then it never happened, and you in turn would never have gone back to stop him. This creates a cycle which is best described in a dr carl kruzelnitsky book, where the time machien falls on your grandfather before he spawned your father, creating a cycle that re occurs every 1 millisecond of you crushing you grandfather. anyway i cant remember the book but it was a good read, had stuff about why cants land on their feet at certain heights but not below 1.5 meters or sumthing. Anyway changing the past cannot occur, as it would change the future and therefore create an alternate future where that past didnt exist. just watch back to the future the doc talks about it in number 2, where biff steals the time machine and makes that other reality.

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The universe is infinite. The matter contained therein, however, is not. Or maybe it is, we can't really say for sure.

See, this is the way i see it. The universe is basically this endless 'empty' space. We're somewhere in there, on a planet going around a sun in a galaxy in a cluster in a supercluster etc etc. and beyond that there's just more empty space. You can keep going for as long as you want,you won't hit a big brick wall or anything.

Type this code into DB:

Now run it, hold the up key and tell me how long it takes to reach 'the end'.

Somewhere out there, there may be more matter. More galaxies, more planets, more life. Perhaps it was created by another big bang - who says there was only one?


Anyway, back to Nessie. I know Nessie, good friend of mine. I knew him before he was famous - we used to play bagpipes together.

Well, that's the largest post I've ever made. Thankyou and goodnight. Or day. Whatever.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 09:41
man Rob, and i though they grew it strong as hell in Jamaca

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Quote: "Aliens have to exist theres an infinit amount of space in the universe so we can't possibly be the only intelligant (well some of us at least) life form."


why not? I've seen stranger things happen.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 11:26
If you look back at the date that the beast was first 'seen' - not too long before that the old black and white King Kong movie was being shown in a nearby village. There's a dinosaur thing in Kong's jungle, living in a big swamp that looks remarkably like the first descriptions. The human brain fills the gaps our eyes can't see - so you see something you've never seen before and it scares you, your mind fills the space with something from your subconcious. I reckon the first guy saw something that need'nt have been anything that freightening, just enough to spook the guy into thinking it was that thing from Kongs jungle.

Who's visited Loch Ness? - I did when I was about 9 or 10, and I remember it being a really eerie place, there's something about water so deep that it's jet black when you look straight down - it sorta makes you realise just how small we really are (considering the entire human population could fit inside the loch at once). I'm not sure I believe in it, but I think there is/was 'something' in that loch - but all the witness stories are just stupid.


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Quote: "but I think there is/was 'something' in that loch"

Ok, a wild guess here.... ...water?
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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 21:55
Whoooo back up a second 6.6 billion people in one loch?

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Quote: "I'm not sure I believe in it, but I think there is/was 'something' in that loch"


yup the 1984 Loch Ness Secondry School float hehee

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Aliens don't exist. There's not enough space for another intelligent race. I feel cramped already!

But seriously, you need a planet with an exact composition in terms of what the core is made from, it's size and density, as well as the correct distance from the sun to allow water to be a fluid, as well as the correct setup of satellites to create the essential tides and weather which make our planet work.

There is actually an equation somewhere for the chances of their being intelligent life in the universe. I sh*t you not! There's one variable which is up for debate, but as a result of this variable changing, the answer varies between slim and almost none. So the optimists apply that variable appropriately to arrive at the "slim" answer, and the pessimists plug in the value to end up with "almost none", and the non-biased arrive at the answer "most likely not, but there's still a chance".

Worth looking up, me thinks.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 23:27 Edited at: 7th Oct 2003 23:30
Quote: "There is actually an equation somewhere for the chances of their being intelligent life in the universe."

If you are referring to the rather famous Drake equation then only the values of the first two variables are fairly certain, the remaining 5 are based largely on speculation. If this is not the equation you are referring to then please shed some light on the matter.

Quote: "But seriously, you need a planet with an exact composition in terms of what the core is made from, it's size and density, as well as the correct distance from the sun to allow water to be a fluid, as well as the correct setup of satellites to create the essential tides and weather which make our planet work."

Those assumptions you list and those that are commonly used in attempts to calculate the probability of intelligent life in the Galaxy are based on what we know to be the requirements for our life to evolve on this planet. There is really nothing that says that Earth-like life similar to ours is the only possible form of life in the Universe, in fact it is highly unlikely that other intelligent life evolved completely separate from us would even remotely resemble our species. For all we know there may be forms of life that don't even require planets to evolve but can exist freely in outer space.

Really, all you speak of is that the chances for us as intelligent inhabitants of this planet to have evolved the way we did are very small, and we therefore get to feel special if we want. But it can not be considered evidence against the possibility or likelyhood of other life in the Universe.
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This is true. There are any number of possible forms aliens could take. Something closer to home might include ghosts. Some people strongly believe in ghosts, and although we don't even know if they exist (and I suspect most people believe they don't) there's no reason why ghosts could exist, and could be explained by physics if we understood the concept behind them and could prove they existed.

So I agree, there could be forms of life that aren't even really physical, or are physical but are so completely different they aren't remotely similar to us. However, we can hypothesise about things as much as we like, but when you want to start trying to come up with numbers and probabilities you have to draw on things you have already proven, so I suppose we have to assume they would be carbon based life forms that need to respirate etc, seeing as all life we know of does this.

As for this equation, I don't know. Just saw it on a TV program once. It may have been the Drake equation.

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... but there's special, and there's "special".

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Actually, going by the volume of water in loch ness, you could fit the worlds population inside 3 times over:

http://cooltech.iafrica.com/technews/archive/february/224588.htm


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Now there's an easy way to solve the world's problems - chuck all the people in a big lake!

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