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Black Hydra
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Posted: 8th Oct 2003 01:32
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I downloaded the Alienware version of DBPro. I thought it would give me a chance to familiarize myself with the language before buying it.

I am really frustrated. I want to learn DB, I want to make some basic 3-D programs to get me rolling but I can't.

The DBPro version itself include almost no help to people trying to learn. Not only are the lessons ridiculously bad (adding in new things that a newb doesn't understand without explaining it. Spending one page going over DATA and RESTORE commands without telling you how to even make a sphere!) but in my own failured attempts to just try stuff out I cannot seem to do almost anything. I know how to load objects and primitives but cannot do anything else. I wanted to know if there were some tutorials that went over the basics of Pro.

And Please why are there 8 tutorials that go over abstract things in pro like the use of the Box command and field of vision without a single one going over the basis of making some objects and how to move the camera and rotating objects ect.

For a company that claims to have an incredibly easy language they sure aren't doing a good job attracting new customers with the trial version! C++ was easier to learn than this!

Please I am asking. No, praying! That someone might find it in there hearts to guide me to somewhere a complete noob can learn the basics of moving a sphere around, moving a camera, textures, ect.
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TheAbomb12
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Posted: 8th Oct 2003 06:03
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check the code base under DPpro

Those who Fight with swords get killed by those who don't
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Morales
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Posted: 8th Oct 2003 06:24
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what you should do is read the comands and see what they do.
I was in the same place you were and one year latter im were
I am now, good I can say. also C++ was easer to learn.
people say its some hard thing but its not!

Start off moveing objects then rotate objects, then get into
some collision dec.. and dont rush yourself take a day just to do one thing.
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indi
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Posted: 8th Oct 2003 06:24
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When you present yourself as a frustrated cranky new person, people dismiss you as another kid who opened the editor and poked around a bit then got a full nappy after a few attempts at the next final fantasy 26. You havent mentioned anything in regards to other possible languages you have learned so we have to assume your extremely green in the way of coding.


I would suggest you spend some time looking at peoples websites who have contributed a great deal of information, its clearly there and available for all to read if u spend the time to look for it.

lets get you started on a good site for a complete new user to
coding.

http://www.dbheaven.com/

once your done with this site its prolly more advisable to move onto slightly harder aspects of coding.

something like this site

http://www.hufsoft.com/darkbasic/


Without the attitude you will get alot further. Composing a post to attract help wont work with "wahhh it wont work and im a cranky coder" attitude.


You actually lose Iq points when angry so it helps you to no avail to be mad when trying to learn something new. Take it in a lot more lighthearted mood if u plan to enjoy your experience at coding.

I would suggest you familarise yourself with the simplest of commands before even attmepting a game.

The search engine www.google.com is great to help find information, dont forget about it if u dont understand something or compose a message here about something specifically your having trouble with.



see how easy it is when you have the right headspace on.

http://www.lunarpixel.com
It's already tomorrow in Australia
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CloseToPerfect
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Posted: 8th Oct 2003 07:21
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here is something I just through together 3 spheres
1 stationary, 1 rotating around it and 1 rotating around the 2nd, like a sun,planet,moon. I know almost nothing about 3d, I only play with 2d, but even I was able to make this.

CTP
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las6
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Posted: 8th Oct 2003 10:38
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I think the problem is that the demo version doesn't come with the help, not like that would get you anywhere.

if you don't know how things are done, you could try browsing these forums, checking out all the source codes and seeing how things are done. Then you can do it by yourself.

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Black Hydra
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Posted: 8th Oct 2003 23:03
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Sorry if I came off angry. I truly want to learn DB and trying really hard to teach myself but without an accurate guide I am merely using trial and error which, as the commands I am trying become more complex is not helping.

I have been learning C++ and so I already know alot about how programs work.

Here are some things I was having trouble with (and I know you are probably thinking that I am just being impatient and I could have found it myself but these are things I have tried but to no avail)

-Allowing the camera to be behind an object a certain distance at all times
-texturing objects
-object collision
-loading matrix's (I have MatEdit)
-lighting
-moving print
- and tons of things I am just not ready for yet

So I must apologize for my harsh and angry response but when you know how to do anything it is very hard to learn from trial and error.
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indi
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well your on the right track now by telling us more about your skills. I wouldnt worry about it tho, just spend a few nights tinkering on a subject and you will be surprised how easy things fall into place with a little perserverance.

I wont post any snippets this round but have a squizz in the code snippets forums and you will be surprised at the skill of some of the people here, and what they are willing to share with us in regards to coding snippets.

save ferris
http://www.lunarpixel.com/dt/
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anseyder
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No one has directed this chappy to the Dark Basic tutorials! I had the same problem, can't program and don't know how to learn, I looked at the Pro tutorials and they are - to be frank - all but useless to a "green programmer". HOWEVER...the dark basic ones: binary moon etc are a great starting place. If something doesn't work quite right (due to the code differences between Pro and Classic)it's not too hard to figure out why.

I would like to suggest some more resources for Pro, after all it seems the most used of the programs based on the number of posts!

buy the PS2 Game Firewarrior (I worked on it as a level artist)
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