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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / How important is Dark Basic Classic compatiblity to you in DBPro?

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DMXtra
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Posted: 10th Oct 2003 01:54
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I am just asking a question here...

How important to you is having compatibility with Dark Basic classic using DBPro?

Could you live without it?

Yes or No?

Lets say if commands were simular, but things were much better organised and structured more logically.

Please answer with a Yes for could live without it or NO, you can't live without it.

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Richard Davey
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Posted: 10th Oct 2003 02:07
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The commands are the same, there's where it ends. You can't expect people to say "yes" or "no" to something that doesn't really exist.

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well the backwards compatibility is almost nonexistent as it is, so i guess having none would be about the same.

besides when you convert all your DBC projects over to DBP, you only do it once... it's not exactly like backwards compatibility is a very big issue if you've completely switched over to DBP with no intention of going back to DBC.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2003 12:46
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okay, well a lot of smaller programs work just fine.

How about changing the structure of DBPRO itself then?

Is there enough written in DBPro to make a re-organisation of the command set a big problem?

Instead of having a thousand commands, have things more logical, strait forward and organised as well as flexible.

Would this really be a problem with the current DBPro language?

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There were discussions along these lines on DBDN about using a single set of 'entity' commands to handle all 3D objects but the general consensus was that whatever gets put into place should *not* replace the existing command set, but would be available alongside or choosable.

I'm not convinced that we persuaded Lee though ...
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Richard Davey
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You got most the way there Ian But he's got to focus on FPSC for the next year, so don't expect it anytime soon.

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Rich

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Well, I know that, but I want to see what people think about the changing of the language.

Rich, I don't think FPSC will be the only focus over the next year, a lot of things have been done and there is more to do, but I don't expect it to be like that forever.

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Quote: "Rich, I don't think FPSC will be the only focus over the next year, a lot of things have been done and there is more to do, but I don't expect it to be like that forever."


It's a wild guess but I think Rich has a relative good impression of what's going on at TGC.

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so basically lee's moved on from DBP to FPS creator?

so what's going to happen to DBP? is it going to be worked on after P6 or will the patches trickle out at an even SLOWER rate?

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Good question DrakeX.
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After a couple of weeks you wouldn't mind the bad backwards compatability, as you've long since started new, completely DBPro projects

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so basically lee's moved on from DBP to FPS creator?

so what's going to happen to DBP? is it going to be worked on after P6 or will the patches trickle out at an even SLOWER rate?
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It goes a little something like this.... HIT IT!!

First Person Shooter Creator (FPSC) is a program that is written in Dark Basic Pro. It will not be released for a long time as Lee works on it but not very often, in fact he just got back to it after three months of doing DBPro work. FPSC is thus a long term project not going to be out any time soon.

Lee has not stopped on DBPro at all, lots of functionality going in as Advanced CSG, Lightmapping, Octree with advanced portal system and advanced collision system is all being used for FPSC but also have been added to DBPro itself, so it compliments DBPro.

Also as Lee programs FPSC he finds limitations and changes them and also fixes huge bugs like a bug that existed awhile back ago when a User defined type was copied it would cause huge problems and this was found while programming FPSC and Lee fixed this bug in DBPro.

Mike is also working on features for DBPro that will also help with FPSC as well, but thats not all he is doing either. More stuff coming over the next few weeks.

Bugs will still be fixed with Upgrade 6 as always, but honestly Drake, waiting till Christmas isn't all that bad. Better than waiting 1 week short of 9 months for cubemapping. I mean thats lame...

Waiting three months for all kinds of goodies and better stability is not all that bad really. I don't mind that, upgrade 6 is a huge upgrade and thats not hype, thats reality and its going to be worth it, but bitching about how 3 months is too long when 5.1 came out not too long ago and then just ignoring a nine month break with only a couple of decent features is just something only you would do.

TGC Team is working very hard and things are happening that you don't have knowledge of yet because things are not finished and still being worked on.

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Quote: "Waiting three months for all kinds of goodies and better stability is not all that bad really"


true, but some of us, have been wait well over a year for these goodies to work.

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true, but some of us, have been wait well over a year for these goodies to work.
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I was talking about goodies that are up and coming. What stuff is not possible now that you have been waiting for a long time for?

In other languages that I know, it takes nine months just to get stupid bumpmapping and yet people go out and make their own .DLL's to get what they need.

So what you really are saying is that you are lazy. C++ doesn't wipe my butt so I am screwed.

There are two kinds of people, people that get things done and people who don't. I really don't have to guess what kind of person you are.

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"Better than waiting 1 week short of 9 months for cubemapping"

let's not bring other languages into this discussion hmm?

"Waiting three months for all kinds of goodies and better stability is not all that bad really"

waiting more than a YEAR, however, is. that's the problem -- they always say "in the next patch it'll be better", "just wait another month, just wait, wait wait" and before you know it it's a year later and the language is still not up to par.

"TGC Team is working very hard and things are happening that you don't have knowledge of yet"

because you have to pay to get that knowledge

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Posted: 12th Oct 2003 19:31
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Quote: "because you have to pay to get that knowledge"


At least there is the OPTION of knowing

DrakeX, whilst I can understand your opinions, I suggest that rather than whinging you go out and actually code something. If you can't do it in DBPro do it in Blitz. Given that several DBPro games have now been released, you cannot argue that it is impossible to make a game with it. Sure it is far from perfect, but at £50 / £70 - it is pretty good.


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because you have to pay to get that knowledge
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Well, I don't mind paying at all, well worth it.
I am sure many blitzers would pay for the same thing.

Hell, I would pay just for you to get a clue as
I know you must not have much to do these days.

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