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FPSC Classic Product Chat / memory cap in V1.18 beta 9

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LiquidSplinter
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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 21:11
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whats with the 1.85 gb cap? I cant do anything with it, and it breaks if I turn it off.
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Dark Frager
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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 21:48
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It's the limit of the creator. If you put in more than 1.85gb worth of entities, lighting etc.. the creator will crash. It is also a 32-bit memory issue as stated by someone else in a different thread regarding this question.

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That Guy John
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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 21:51
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As far as I know, that is the cap. Adjust and tweak your models and maps to meet the requirement is all I can say.

I see you just joined the forum today, not sure if you just staarted using FPSC today though. In case you are new to FPSC all together I suggest starting with the guides provided with the FPSC install.
FPSC Menu "help" > "read manual"
Also, the 1st community guid is in "Program Files (x86)\The Game Creators\FPS Creator\Docs"
The newset community guide is here

Overall when creating models and maps, keep in mind, "Low-Poly".
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LiquidSplinter
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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 21:55
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I have used fpsc since 2009, and i have never had any kind of problems with a memory cap. it was always my rams cap. and now it crashes. that means that you cant even run the metro theatre map anymore tho. it takes over 2 gigs.
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Wolf
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Posted: 18th Feb 2011 04:36
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Quote: "I have used fpsc since 2009, and i have never had any kind of problems with a memory cap. it was always my rams cap. and now it crashes. that means that you cant even run the metro theatre map anymore tho. it takes over 2 gigs."


I reported that issue to the googlecode issues board.

I'm sure Lee and the squad will take care of this



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Flatlander
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Posted: 18th Feb 2011 04:45
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I have no problems with the memory cap in v118, beta 9.
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Wolf
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Posted: 18th Feb 2011 04:59
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@Flatlander:So? You're map might not consume that much memory then...
I don't remember any work of you so I can't tell.

Anyway, maps that used to work in Beta 4 (they consumed 1,4 or 1,5 gb) are now reaching the 1,85 gig limit. That just can't be!



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MK83
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Posted: 18th Feb 2011 06:11
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@Wolf: I have noticed this increase too. I have been preoccupied with issue 39.

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Flatlander
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Posted: 19th Feb 2011 17:53
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What I was meaning is that I have no problems in that there is no increase of virtual memory from the earlier version to beta 9. I also have modded the code and increased from 1.85 to 1.95. If I want to eek out an amount closer to 2.0, I then turn the cap off and make sure that my level is below 2.0 GB. When I hit around 1.8 I tweak the level the best I can. However, most of my levels are below 1.95 anyway. I don't know what's going on with your issue.

Wolf, I don't post any of my games on the forums. They are commercial games for educational purposes. I did have a WIP but the commercial games have taken precedence. Also, I actually could care less what you think about my contributions to the forums in the past. Like FPI EditPad and RPG Mod.
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Dark Goblin
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Posted: 19th Feb 2011 18:16
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TGC should think about doing multithreading, because that can be done in DBP with some dll calls (Nighthawk showed it to me some time ago).

This would also speed up any loading and build part and maybe also change something on the memory cap, which for DBP is strange as all engines have it and they use a lot more data than FPSC and it still works. Maybe they need to change something on the build process and all that, so it really takes less memory.

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Flatlander
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Posted: 19th Feb 2011 19:43
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@DG, there is a time in the build process where it says that it is finishing the threads. Do you suppose this means that Lee might be using multi-threads? Just wondering.

I thought maybe showing the level I use as a test for cap would be helpful to understanding why I seem not to have a problem with it. This level uses 1.94 GB of virtual memory. As I mentioned before I reset the cap at 1.95. This level used this amount from v117 through v118 beta 9. Map quality size was set at 512 and map quality at 30. The level is multi-layered with lightmapping set at best quality, textures set at high and full shaders on.




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Wolf
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Quote: "Also, I actually could care less what you think about my contributions to the forums in the past. Like FPI EditPad and RPG Mod."


Woah! You got me wrong there, I ment that I don't know you're levels so I can't tell if they are similar to mine. There must be a reason for the higher memory consuming. I didn't mean to offend you in any way.



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The Storyteller 01
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Posted: 20th Feb 2011 10:57 Edited at: 20th Feb 2011 10:59
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I am also working with FPSC since 2009 and most of the old maps don't build with 1.18 beta anymore (even with 512/5 and no shaders)

To me it seems that all that eye candy comes with the price tag of memory consumption. If that continous with the current speed we'll all be making stunning looking single-room levels next year.

At least that wouldn't hurt the screenshot-only WIP community, which represents the majority on these boards.

In case you find my grammar and spelling weird ---> native German speaker ^^
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Wolf
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Posted: 20th Feb 2011 12:18
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Quote: "
To me it seems that all that eye candy comes with the price tag of memory consumption"


Depends on how you use it.

Quote: "At least that wouldn't hurt the screenshot-only WIP community, which represents the majority on these boards."


Developing a game is a time consuming task. Until it's ready, one can only provide screenshots and perhaps videos.

*Offtopic* Is you're E-Mail address valid @the Storyteller01? */offtopic*



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Flatlander
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Posted: 20th Feb 2011 17:06
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@Wolf, sorry I over-reacted. This old man has moments of cloudy skies inside the brain.

Quote: "I ment that I don't know you're levels so I can't tell if they are similar to mine"


I finally figured that out and so that's why I uploaded a level that consumes most of the VM so you could see it. It has more eye-candy than I normally have but that is what I wanted. I think I can get a better result now with v118 because I can tweak the lighting downward.

Of course, I'm not sure how one can compare levels but I guess the point is that I'm satisfied with what I can get out of FPSC for a level with lots of stuff. The level is script intensive and has a lot of clues and puzzles to solve plus in the lower level where there is the start of an alien invasion and the player has to figure out how to diffuse the situation. This is part of my "The Professor" game which is based off of Dr. Who. It is not a story from Dr. Who. It is my own story. I hope to get back to development soon.

BTW, Wolf, congrats on your BOTB award.
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