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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 12th Oct 2003 09:22
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i've been checking out the mod scene alot more recently... and i've noticed something.

there aren't really any new mods for games that are aimed at single player... there were never many to begin with to be honest, but alot of the mods i've been waiting for, for something like 2-3years are STILL in development.

alright i understand that these things take time, but surely they could release in chapters, no?
the problem being is people are loosing interest in them, and even the teams appear to have stopped production ... so those cool mods and stories that we've seen just end up being nothing.

does anyone know ANY, decenty modification games for Quake/Quake2/Quake3/Half-Life/Etc... that is still available for download and has a good story?

i wanted to play Fantasy Quake again recently, only i can't find it online
not to be funny but there are WAAY to many multiplayer mods, i mean christ why do we need so many - doesn't anyone want to make a good and compelling SP??

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Single player is beginning to die down; obviously it'll never be completely gone, but the massess seem to enjoy multiplayer far more. Which is sad IMO.

Morrowind has a lot of great SP TCs if you're into RPGs... I know that's not what you're looking for however

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Posted: 12th Oct 2003 15:01 Edited at: 12th Oct 2003 15:01
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Quote: "Single player is beginning to die down; obviously it'll never be completely gone, but the massess seem to enjoy multiplayer far more. Which is sad IMO"
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I prefer single player alot more than multiplayer. With the exception of Age of Mythology

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Posted: 12th Oct 2003 16:52 Edited at: 12th Oct 2003 16:54
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I dont like multiplayer games, if the .Hack// Series was actually a multiplayer game, I'd actually have to share my treasure with those idiots who dont know basic survival tactics.

Edit: Not to mention I'm always the biggest target because I'm not the best at the ones I play

*Gets bill from last Mech Warrior fight*

$3,796,000!?!?!?!?!? MUST GET BETTER SO BILL ISNT AS MUCH!!!


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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 12th Oct 2003 17:07
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i don't have anything against the multiplayer games, hell i love playing stuff like Mechwarrior4 : Black Knight ... but sometimes it is nice just to kickback and play a good single player experience which you don't know the entire story to already.

What drives me nuts is that almost no-one online anymore has any flipping imagination or design sense
And i've been told before "if you don't like it, make you own!"
but that kinda defeats the point because i want something that i don't know whats going to happen ... ya know?

What pisses me off even more are these teams at the moment who haven't even finished thier old version of the game, and they already want to convert to a game which isn't even out yet. (talking about Half-Life obviously)

I'm also tired of the lack of imagination in these games ... the only REALLY imaginative games i've seen this year have been Pokémod and Natural Selection.

Half-Life SP mods, never put you in a new environment - hell i'd be happy if someone decided they were gonna remake the Q2 demo in it, it would be something old but also something new.
probably out of luck for what i want

just gives me solis to know the next 4 major PC FPS releases are focused primaily on the SP.
(wish Halo had a new storyline though, i mean hell they spend 13months developing the damn thing just for a little more content ... no new story or listening to fans about what was annoying from the XB version)

sorry just feel in a ranting mood today, alot of things seem pear-shaped atm depressing... atleast i have a few projects to keep my hopes for the future up.

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Posted: 12th Oct 2003 18:34
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Quote: "Single player is beginning to die down; obviously it'll never be completely gone, but the massess seem to enjoy multiplayer far more. Which is sad IMO."


If this is becoming true, then the art of AI will die down with it. AI is an important programing technique for a serious games developer.

But right know it's in the balance, when the day arrives when you can play online against/with hundreds (or thousands?) of other players at the same time then we will see a real decline in single player games.

Mind you, if that happens I wouldn't mind playing an online war game with 300 players per side slugging it out. Would be a bit unfair if I ended up on one team and 599 were on the other though

Programming anything is an art, and you can't rush art.
Unless your name is Bob Ross, then you can do it in thirty minutes.
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Posted: 12th Oct 2003 19:07
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I can't see AI dying down myself-- yeah, it's becoming rarer, but multiplayer has its own trends and subcultures; eventually some game developers are going to have to notice how awesome it can be to play with good bots and good humans. Also take MMORPGs; I can't see the NPCs staying as static as they are now forever.

As long as they don't Asheron's Call 2 all of them, that is

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I can't wait for Lord of the Rings: Return of the King. I just played a demo of it this morning(got it free with my pc gamer magazine), and it was pretty sweet.

I suppose it's aimed at single player, although it will have co-op which is gonna be sweet. Had some awesome in game scripted events.



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Posted: 12th Oct 2003 23:10
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I'm deeply offended that they're turning Tolkien's awesome writing into a cheap action game

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Posted: 12th Oct 2003 23:12 Edited at: 12th Oct 2003 23:14
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yes multiplayer can be fun..I think eventually single player elements will be added to the multiplayer...like doing the single player stuff with friends...
@Raven:Listen if you're going to satisfy your thirstfor single player, ultimately you'll have to explore other genres than action...btw UT Thievery mod is out plus the Thief 'expansion' called the circle of stone and shadow is being released in chapters...I Thief... Long live LGS....

[edit a good sp action is freedom fighters the best I've ever played

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'like doing the single player stuff with friends...'

Ultima X . I personally don't like the looks of it, but it's a solid concept.

(also loves Thief)

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Posted: 12th Oct 2003 23:29
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I like single player too, and not just cause there's no lag.
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Posted: 13th Oct 2003 05:32
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Quote: " used to thoroughly enjoy playing return to castle wolfenstien online"


talk about your online newbie ... if you want to sit there with a trip down memory lane atleast have some memories less recent thant 2002 to share mate, else quite frankly its hard to take anyone like that seriously.

I don't want to expand my horizons for single player, quite simply put because i know what games i enjoy playing ... quite honestly i can't stand the Unreal and Unreal Tournament movement and cameras, it always feels like your looking down a tube.
I play alot of other games, however i detest the Ashron's Call or Diablo style games - truely detest them.

There really aren't any good rpg's on the PC apart from the AD&D style, which i just don't like ... they're boring, all they are, are the same things over and over and over. There might be like 50,000 different enemies or some such but they all battle identically - its not like grandia or warcraft where you see them powerup, do different moves, and generally make everything more interesting.

There was a Quake2 version of Final Fantasy that was being developed ... thats another unfortunate title i heard about but neevr saw, the screenshots looked awesome - yet no title

Quote: "Ultima X . I personally don't like the looks of it, but it's a solid concept"

don't look forward to the first in the series without Lord Brittan (i'm sure fans will understand)
and after Ultima IX i'm not so sure, it was a good concept for a game ... but the entire game was slow, unresponsive and buggy.

I'm still unsure why they dumped Ultima Online 2, that was gonna be a truely awesome game

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Posted: 13th Oct 2003 15:43
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Quote: "Ultima X . I personally don't like the looks of it, but it's a solid concept."

I know that I've been bruiting it more than once, but have you ever tried the Gothic series?
http://www.gothic2.com

Unbelievable atmosphere, brilliant AI, solid story.

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Both Gothic I and II are brilliant! ... they've been my favourite RP games since they came out. If you want a decent single player RP, they're the ones to get. I could go on for ages about Gothic but I won't ...

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BTW: Due to the huge success in Germany the Gothic II Add-on (or better add-in) "Nacht der Raben" is likely to be released internationally too.

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I actually quite enjoyed HLpposing Forces, some real nice weapons and the storyline did'nt conflict with the original - made a good extension that I think should have set an example, instead we have a whole lot of gimmicks.

I agree that games seem to be less single player orientated, in fact I can't remember a decent 1 player PC title since Half Life, seems like they're more interested in modability than indepth storylines. GTA3 was pretty good, a really free storyline, but it should have stayed on the consoles, not an ideal PC conversion.

Some say storylines are not important, but the funny thing is that you notice a good storyline in a game, like Halo - the storyline is pretty cool in that because the characters are reasonably familiar. Like the cheeky computer, the OTT marine seargeant etc, they all seemed to click and make a good story around a fairly samey game.

One of the best storylines I've ever played through is Resident Evil on the PS, damn classic that one.


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Quote: "I'm deeply offended that they're turning Tolkien's awesome writing into a cheap action game "


I'm not, because from the demo I've played, they've done a nice job. Portrays the movie(or soon to be movie), pretty well. Most of all it's fun, and that's what matters.



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I´ve got an idea. Buy a console. Most of the games on them are sp storyline driven games. Apart from the Xbox which seems to have pc ports and nothing else. If you want an invoving sp experience don´t get Morrowind. I´m still recovering from the bordom (Puts on flame-proof coat, just in case). The best storyline I can think of is from the Shenmue series.
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yeah i have Opposing Forces and Blue Shift... completed both within an afternoon (talk about small ) but they certainly were some of the more involving i've played in the series.

And did set the bars in what should happen in an update game
Totally agree with Resident Evil, personally i prefered Dino Crisis - both had good stories that just evolve as you play more and read the diaries left
there is a HL version of Resident Evil under development called Resident Evil : The Escape - but its one of those mods which is likely never to be finishing

Quote: "I´ve got an idea. Buy a console. Most of the games on them are sp storyline driven games"

i have them all... but i'm particularly bored with the same old bildge over and over. Currently looking forward to Twin Snakes on the GC - christ you seen that? hell it makes the XBox's graphics look dated, gonna be one sweet remake

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lol ... you seriously don't understand how much of a newbie to online games that makes you sound do you?
don't get me wrong RTCW is a good game both off and online, i still play it today.

But that really was the point, you talked about it like it was some long past game that you used to play years and years ago - when really its barely matured as an online title, with more and more players daily.

If on the otherhand you were to have remanised of say Jedi Knight1 or Quake2 : Jailbreak or anything like that ... then my man you would've have cause to remanis and miss the good ol' days, when TK was an unheard of concept and campers were the rulers of the online play, when clans wer finally getting thier time in the sun and multiplayer mods were getting more and more imaginative

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I´ve never played an online game. Is being beaten by someone I don´t even know all it´s cracked up to be?
Quote: "Single player is beginning to die down"

That is untill they invent AI that´s half decent. Right now the computer´s too ristricted and predictable. Take Comand and Conquer Generals for example. It uses the same tactic over and over again. Even with the max dificulty.
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Quote: "I´ve never played an online game. Is being beaten by someone I don´t even know all it´s cracked up to be?
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In what little online experience I have, yes.


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Raven, you didn`t mention the "They Hunger" halflife mod, you do know of that one? (it`s rather well known AFAIK), that was pretty good for a one man effort, even if the storyline was somewhat.....odd, they did have some nice little sequences in there.
The Thing was disapointing though, they could have built up on the fear and who you could trust, but after the first two sections they lost interest and it disolved into another FPS with no real storyline and no involvment, and the lack of proper first person ruined the whole game IMO
I do have hopes for Halflife 2 and Doom III, although the pre-release rumours say Doom III is all pre-scripted and bad AI, while HL2 suffers more of the same and bad graphics to boot, but I will reserve judgment for the release and the comments on the fan sites, theres nothing like disgruntled fans and the replies of the diehards to tell you what the score is

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They Hunger part 1,2,3 ... for somereason the story is unfinished.
played it about 2years ago, thats how long its been since its been updated

still got the PCG UK CD/DvDs it came on they liked it, but thats probably cause it was made originally just for them ... then it leaked out onto the net. Levels were pretty poorly designed and the story was semi-resident evil - was cool and rock hard

i'm waiting for the new HL2 and Doom3 titles, i've seen dropped the beta's of Doom3 as soon as they finalised the engines core and started on the content ... so it wouldn't ruin the story for me.
they look good but they're both around 5-6months off yet, and i'm a little impatient

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lol, well just as long as you understand your still an online multiplayer newbie thats all that matters

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if you want a good singleplayer experiece check out "Call of Duty", the AI is incredibele.

http://www.metagameplay.com
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yeah i was, but so was online multiplaying ... infact when i was online playing it was with Doom on a 28.8kb v34 modem this was well before most people even knew what LAN gaming was let along Online.
the internet was still just mostly a glint in most peoples eye, something only for those who were pretty immensely rich and enjoyed BBS... HTML was in its infancy and Java wasn't even thought about.

... and Call of Duty sounds familiar isn't that a Commando's game?
cause i seriously can't stand them - it's like an RTS crossed with an AD&D game with elements of MGS thrown in for good measure.
The elements work well apart ... together what you get is a hard as nails game that is just too frustrating to play because it all comes down to timing and getting you mouse to the right position and moving a group of guys at the same time and trying to keep in mind where all the guards are and killing is generally 1-shot for them and several for you with the guards not being fooled by disguises even though thats what the mission brief suggested you should do and there really is no other way to get into the complex to turn off the electric fense to allow your mates to quickly sneak past the several guard on patrol with machines guns you men only have sodding pistols and that if they're lucky having to then get past some guard towers onto a bridge to plant explosives, blow it up and escape again without being noticed, even though this is all in the snow and your footprints are left which the guards can follow not to mention thier sodding annoying attack dogs.

:: breaths ::

summerised i hate that game

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