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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / Are the following plugins worth buying?

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extrickster
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 01:19
Hello TGC Forum,

I am wondering if the following extensions for Dark Basic Pro are really worth buying...

Quote: "
Dark Data
Dark Video
DarkNet
Dark Ink
2D Plugin Kit
Unity
DarkCLOUDS
Styx
Enhancement Pack
Nuclear Glory
"


... I am considering using Dark Basic Pro for the next couple of my games and these extensions will cost me all of my development budget... but I am planning on creating a 2.5D game, FPS game, and a RPG game over the next few years.

I do not really wanna regret buying these... but I want them so bad. I do not know what I want... (I am going nuts) I thought about buying Game Maker "http://www.yoyogames.com/" or I thought about buying some video games GMOD "http://www.garrysmod.com" Crysis 2, Red Faction: Armageddon but those will not get me anywhere in game development.
Blobby 101
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 01:41
I would say that Dark Data isn't that necessary unless you need SQL support which I can't see being important in many games. Dark video could be useful and Darknet is also very good, probably the best way to go for online multiplayer. Dark Ink isn't too important, and neither is Dark Clouds but the 2D plugin Kit, STYX and the enhancement pack all look pretty useful.

Brendy boy
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 01:47
you don't need unity, there's at least two free plugins that offer the same functionality -> one od them is Barnsky's LUA plugin

you also don't need Nuclear Glory, sparky's plugin is free and much better

extrickster
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 02:09
Thank you guys for your awesome support. I did no know that "free" plugins for DarkBasic Pro existed. Can anybody please call off some more free plugins?
The Slayer
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 02:22
Quote: "Can anybody please call off some more free plugins?"

There's a bunch of free plugins here, and there's also the BBB Gui plugin by Brendy Boy.
Here's a recent one (which I haven't tested out yet, but could come in handy) which is the GAMMA plugin by Booma.
I'm sure there are other plugins on the forum that I've missed, though.
Enjoy!

Cheers

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extrickster
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 02:37
Dang, I am very surprised that I never seen this thread before... they look like they will come in handy. Thank you @The Slayer!

So which plugins would you recommend me to buy from TGC?

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DarkNET
2D Plugin Kit
STYX
Enhancement Pack
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Grog Grueslayer
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 03:09
You don't need Dark Data because IanM's Matrix 1 Utilities Plugin has DATAFILE commands that are easy to use.

I have Dark Ink because I need it for my current project and it's really good. It's mainly for applications that need to print to a printer... RPGs don't usually need a printer.

What you should get is Box2D... it's on my wish list but I haven't gotten around to actually getting it yet.

http://www.thegamecreators.com/?m=view_product&id=2257

extrickster
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 03:20
Quote: "Sorry to go off topic but what is the LeadWerks Game Engine? Is it like some kind of extension or something for DarkBasic Pro?"


Back to topic, I looked over DarkINK I do not think I will need that... yet. What is Box2D, 2D physics?
The Slayer
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 03:23
Quote: "So which plugins would you recommend me to buy from TGC?"

Hum, that depends mostly on your budget, what type of game you wanna create, and how good you are with media creation (models, graphics, sounds, etc...).
The Dark Game Studio Bonanza would be a good way to start with. It comes with some good plugins, like DarkShader, DarkClouds, Plant Life, TreeMagick, etc...
The 2D Plugin Kit could come in handy for 2D games. Other plugins worth mentioning are Blitzwerks Terrain, Box 2D, Enhanced Animations, ExGen.
I started with Dark Game Studio, and bought other plugins later on.

Cheers

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extrickster
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 03:33
I have already purchased "DarkGame Studio" that was one amazing deal that I simply could not pass up. I have a budget of 250 USD... and the first project I want to create is a FPS (first person shooter)... I am a intermediate programmer. I have programmed in other programming languages. DarkClouds look interesting for my FPS if it has weather effects... and Blitzwerks Terrain looks awesome.

Quote: "What kind of extension is Leadwerks Game Engine?"
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 05:27 Edited at: 26th Mar 2011 06:16
Judging from your list, I'd recommend:
http://www.thegamecreators.com/?m=view_bundle&id=18
if they're still offering it. They were last time I checked.
And, DarkClouds is entirely worth it if you want an awesome sky. Especially if you want to have flight in your rpg. Just keep in mind that it is very CPU intensive, so it fails on low end pc's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B40v7nK_qg&feature=related

EDIT:
And, if you use the 2d plugin kit, I advise downloading Advanced Sprites from this thread:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=92836&b=5
The download link in that thread still works. You'll notice in the original Advanced Sprites thread (Also linked there) that the author of the 2d plugin kit made his plugin fully compatible with AS. Your frame rates will be much better.

And, if you haven't noticed yet, nearly all of the official plugins that TGC sell began as community plugins. The authors made deals with TGC to sell them. Or, in some cases, TGC bought the resale rights entirely. But, nearly all of them began their life here on these forums.
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 05:36
I've used 2D pluginkit for a while now, and it's been pretty fun and convenient. That's the only addon I use though, so I can't comment on any other. But yeah, I like it.
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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 12:42
Quote: "You don't need Dark Data because IanM's Matrix 1 Utilities Plugin has DATAFILE commands that are easy to use."

I don't see that they directly compete to be honest. Sure, you can build an equivalent to Dark Data out of my datafile commands, but that would be quite a bit of work, so why would you want to.

STYX + my plug-ins will give you an issue as they have commands that conflict with each other. My usual advice is that if you don't need a command that's specific to STYX, that you move the plug-in to one side. If you do need something that only STYX provides then moving my plug-in number 16 to one side will fix it. (It's the string commands that conflict, and mine are faster).

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Posted: 26th Mar 2011 19:37 Edited at: 26th Mar 2011 19:40
Quote: "I don't see that they directly compete to be honest. Sure, you can build an equivalent to Dark Data out of my datafile commands, but that would be quite a bit of work, so why would you want to."


Yeah you're right they don't compete with each other because it does take a bit more work than most people are willing to do to get your DATAFILE commands to act like Dark Data.

When I started my current project I didn't even look at Dark Data and thought that your amazing plugin was the only way to accomplish a huge database that I couldn't achieve with the native Darkbasic Pro file commands or memblocks.

Here's what I do in my current project to get close to Dark Data:

Create a UDT the way you wish the data structure in the file to be so you can easily count the bytes required for each record and have a place to store that data to view/edit easily.

Open a file with OPEN DATAFILE TO UPDATE to preserve all data in the file and allowing us to jump anywhere in the file to load/save data.

Adding fields in Dark Data where each piece of data requires a certain amount of characters in strings (of course since binary files are the same way) can be done by using your PADLEFT$() or PADRIGHT$() commands to reduce or increase the string so the data saved doesn't overwrite the next piece of data in the database. Numbers would just have to be calculated using the standard number of bytes saving that particular datatype to a file (like 4 bytes for integers).

Having the ability to reuse deleted records would only need a single byte to represent if the record is deleted (to be undeleted later) or completely wiped out and free to use when another record is added. Before adding a new record a simple search of the database is done to find the first record that's permanently deleted or start at the end of the file if no deleted records are found.

Loading/saving a certain record is just calculating how many total bytes each record takes up and multiplying it by the record number you wish to load/save and using SET DATAFILE POSITION to get there in the file.

Now there may be more stuff in Dark Data that I didn't post a way to mimic but I don't have it so I don't know for sure all it's commands. All in all I think it's worth the extra work but again most people may not like to put in the extra effort.

BillR
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Posted: 27th Mar 2011 13:00 Edited at: 27th Mar 2011 13:01
DarkClouds doesn't come in the Dark Game Studio Bonanza.
I would say purchase the Dark Game Studio Bonanza first,
then purchase other Expansion Packs as you need them.
extrickster
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Posted: 29th Mar 2011 09:13
I have done and purchased DarkGame Bonanza with FPS Creator. I do not know what plug-ins I wanna purchase though... Should I purchase some plug-ins, models packs, or just a whole new game engine all together?

I thought about purchasing Game Maker or Torque 3D & 2D but I cannot make up my mind. It makes me sad that DarkBasic PRO gamers would only available to Window gamers.
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Posted: 29th Mar 2011 14:43
If you have the bonanza deal then you have more than enough to get started with. Have a play and when you feel you have mastered everything in the package (or feel you need something else for a particular game) then look at what else is available.

There's a lot there to get the hang of!!

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