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FPSC Classic Product Chat / [LOCKED] Flatlander banned?

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Jcatalfamo
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Posted: 21st Apr 2011 00:04
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What the ?

How can you ban somebody who has given so much to the community?
Whatever falling out occured between Flatlander, Keith C, blackfox, etc.. is your own business but to punish the community by banning such a helpful member is absurd.


@KeithC
"No problem with this thread at all; just a reminder: publishing messages/emails from a banned member is not allowed, as it is a way for a banned member to circumvent a ban."

If I were a paranoid type I would think there were an agenda to prevent the use of RPG Mod by the community. Restricting others from posting RPG Mod information from Flatlander only harms the community members who are using the Mod. I read through the Community rules and Information thread and I don't see anything that says posting messages from banned members is not allowed. This only hinders community members from being able to use the mod by making it more difficult to receive support from the mod creator.

Its no wonder FPSC gets a bad rap for being a game engine for kids when forums like this act in such an immature manner.

I have gleaned alot of valuable information from this forum and several of it's members. It is a valuable resource. But it is a business, and like all businesses it should respect its customers.
I see this banning as a slap in the face to the community and am personally offended.
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knxrb
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Posted: 21st Apr 2011 00:09
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I don't think he's been banned, he's just left to concentrate on his two projects: http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=184264&b=21

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Jcatalfamo
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Posted: 21st Apr 2011 00:12 Edited at: 21st Apr 2011 00:14
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Nope, banned by Keith C

See last post in this thread:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=184157&b=21&p=1
And second post here:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=184278&b=21
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The Zoq2
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Posted: 21st Apr 2011 00:17
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Why in the world would he be banned, as far as I know he hasn't done anything wrong

Srry about my english im from sweeden
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Jcatalfamo
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Posted: 21st Apr 2011 00:21 Edited at: 21st Apr 2011 00:22
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Not exactly sure why:
Check last several posts in this thread:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&b=25&t=174082&p=5
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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 21st Apr 2011 00:31
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There are a lot of deleted posts you cannot see.

I don't completely agree with the banning of Flatlander or Kerrby even... But it is what it is. Things were said, offense was taken. That's what causes a ban whether or not we agree with it.

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JLMoondog
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Posted: 21st Apr 2011 00:42 Edited at: 21st Apr 2011 00:43
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Ban's usually occur after several Mods have all discussed issues about a member and posts have been reviewed...or that's how it's been explained to me before.

From what I gather Flatlander had been bashing other members and a MOD publicly. It also seems it's only for 6 days and KeithC has even stated Flatlander had been given far more leeway then the average user.

I don't believe this has anything to do with RPGMod, just personal conduct which is understandable in my book.

6 days seems like plenty of time for things to cool down. Hope everything works out for everyone.

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xplosys
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Posted: 21st Apr 2011 00:46
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Quote: "I don't believe this has anything to do with RPGMod, just personal conduct"


Well, that kind of ruins the "conspiracy theory" and "personal insult" stuff. Definitely not as much drama.

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BlueFox
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Flatlander was banned for his open attack on a moderator. He chose his actions, and he is paying for them. The only other issue at hand is that Flatlander made a very crude reference to myself in a public forum. Instead of e-mailing me directly to apologize and move on, he chose to further insult me when he was asked to remove media that belonged to me from a video. When people post media not belonging to them, there is an outcry on the forum. I do the same thing, ask politely for him to remove my media and he instead tries to make himself the victim and cry foul. If he is going to make comments that are of a personal nature, then he has only himself to blame.

He had done a lot for the community, I agree with that. But that does not excuse his behavior, plain and simple. There is no agenda regarding him or his mod- he was told to move on and we want nothing to do with him. It is unfortunate that only one side is being aired, and in the process assumptions are being made to further cause issues and problems.
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Wolf
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Posted: 21st Apr 2011 00:54 Edited at: 21st Apr 2011 00:54
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Whe can't really change anything on that ban so lets quit making a drama of it.
Everyone involved in this argument is an adult member and they are capable of sorting out their problems privately.

Its none of our business and not ment to be discussed here so we can prevent this thread from ending up in another whine/flame thread.



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crispex
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No excuse for the behavior, but a simple mod slap or warning could have worked. I'm not one to really talk about "unfair" punishment as most of the mods are fairly generous toward what things can and cannot be said, but I think if the mods are tired of a member, they will find something to "get" you on that normally would be allowed to slide. For example, I was banned for a week over apparently "encouraging" firearms importation, when all I had done is said it was fairly simple and could be done by the average person. I'd never really "encourage" it, as that's almost as bad as encouraging piracy or anything else for that matter.

I'm sure he'll be unbanned in due time, but I doubt he will return. I can't honestly see a few mod sasses as a reason to permaban, but that's really not for me or anyone else but he mod attacked to decide.

I just now realized I've had a typo in my signature for the past 3 years.
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JLMoondog
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Posted: 21st Apr 2011 00:58 Edited at: 21st Apr 2011 01:00
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Sorry to hear that BlueFox, I know you and BlackFox were big RPGmod user's in it's early days. Hopefully this doesn't effect your current projects.

Strange how when there's only one side of a story, more fiction then fact is talked about, and tall tails seem to form. Not until both sides come out that you realize how much the end results make sense.

edit: Wolf has a point, this thread should be locked.

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crispex
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Well that's the thing. When someone is banned they only really get to tell those they know in an email or so, they never actually get a chance to defend their case. There could have been a reason behind his actions. Either way, each side has a different perspective on it. And in the event that a moderator says something it's normally backed up by other mods.

I just now realized I've had a typo in my signature for the past 3 years.
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KeithC
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Posted: 21st Apr 2011 01:09 Edited at: 21st Apr 2011 19:02
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I find it pretty amazing as to all the assumptions being tossed around here, with very little facts.

Quote: "I read through the Community rules and Information thread and I don't see anything that says posting messages from banned members is not allowed."


Try reading the AUP while you're at it, before going on some sort of "crusade" here. You don't have the full picture; your opinion is duly noted.....moving on.

I will also put in that this has been discussed with other Mods. Things stand as they are.

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Thraxas
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Posted: 21st Apr 2011 01:21 Edited at: 21st Apr 2011 01:26
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Quote: "but I think if the mods are tired of a member, they will find something to "get" you on that normally would be allowed to slide. For example, I was banned for a week over apparently "encouraging" firearms importation, when all I had done is said it was fairly simple and could be done by the average person. I'd never really "encourage" it, as that's almost as bad as encouraging piracy or anything else for that matter."


As far as I know, I'm the only mod who has a problem with you. It's not a secret, and I'm sure many who post on the forum know this. However, I'm not the mod who banned you for that post, so it came from someone who has no problem with.

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I notice this was locked after I posted. This is merely a coincidence and I didn't lock the thread. I only post this because recently a member accused of me of something just because I posted in a thread in which they were moderated. I shouldn't have to post something like this!

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KeithC
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Posted: 22nd Apr 2011 04:01
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By the way; I'm not sure where everyone's getting the information that he's only banned for 6 days, as the actual ban is MUCH much longer than that.

-Keith

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