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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Will NVidia GeFore increase performance ?

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vilgil
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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 08:38
Hi. I am absolutely naive about the NVidia or any other such cards.
I have made a level in FPSC X9. In two or three spots the FPS falls around 29 but recovers back to 40 if i turn or move. In other places it is running good at an average of 50 FPS.

The following are my system specs :
Windows XP SP3
Intel Core i5 CPU
2GB Ram

Is the Intel Media Accelerator Card HD equivalent to NVidia ?
Will using NVidia speed up things ?

I would like to get some information regarding this.

Thanks in advance
Dillionaire
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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 09:17
Absolutely, vilgil, I can help you here.

nVidia Graphics cards are called GPU's, or Graphics Processing Units. They do all the rendering that makes your game appear on-screen. They higher-end and more expensive the card you have, the better your GPU is at doing all that work, resulting in better performance.

The Intel Media Accelerator is called an IGP, or Integrated Graphics Processor. These GPU's are built into the CPU or motherboard, and are not nearly as powerful as a separate GPU, like one from nVidia.

To answer your question, yes, an nVidia graphics card will certainly improve your performance to a constant 60 FPS, provided you purchase a recent one. However, this is only possible if you have a desktop, as laptops are extremely limited in GPU upgrades.

If you need any further help, I build computers for a living, and I would be more than willing to give you more information or answer any other questions you might have.

My Computer Specifications: Intel i7 980x OC @ 4.2 GHz |3x GTX 580's in SLI | 12 GB, 2000 MHz RAM (Corsair) |2x 1 TB HDD | 1.2 KW PSU |ASUS Rampage III Extreme Motherboard
vilgil
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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 14:51
Thanks a lot . This is a good relief. Because i had built 5 levels (though finished lighting only 1 level which i tested).

You see actually i don't need a very fast game though. My game design is a slow creepy one where there are just 8 enemies per level. It is something like Commandos in first person view. The game concentrates more on how you attack the enemies without they looking at you. Once the enemies see the player is dead in one game shot. It is tactical game with many actions.

Can you give me some tips regarding to increase fps.

How many people have NVidia or similar cards. I suppose anyone playing latest fps game will be having that. (I am programmer. I am new to gaming). So anyone buying the latest games can run my game also in their computer.
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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 15:36
Quote: "You see actually i don't need a very fast game though. My game design is a slow creepy one "


You canalways change the player speed to something slower. It's always better to have the fastest framerate possible.
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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 15:38 Edited at: 5th Jun 2011 15:38
@vilgil You don't need a low fps for a slow-paced game though, no matter how slow-paced your game is, you still need to maintain decent fps.You can buy a completely cheap and fast Nvidia graphics card out there, GTX 460 SE for example, for $150 that's a complete steal.
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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 16:10
Quote: "How many people have NVidia or similar cards. "


I do. A 1GB GTX 260M and no problem at all. If you have the money you could get SLI and have double the power.

However you can also get a card from ATI, they are lower-end (in most cases) than nVIDIA but they are also cheaper.



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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 20:43
I agree with da2020. I have 3 Geforce GTX 580's in SLI, which destroys FPSC because it's the definition of overkill! But I recommend a Geforce GTS 450 or Geforce GTX 460 for FPSC, and they're complete steals at about $120 and $150 respectively.

Dark Fragger is right, as SLI GPU's give you double the power, but you won't need that for FPSC, and believe me on that. Like I said, my Tri-SLI is currently about as good as it gets, but my other machine with an EVGA GTX 460 runs FPSC like a dream.

However, although he is correct about AMD/ATI selling cheaper, lower performance cards, many of them lack support for Pixel Shader 3.0, so I would strongly urge you not to buy one of their cards. Bond1 uses several PS3.0 shaders, and if you don't have a card that supports them, the object with the shader applied will be invisible, except for it's shadow.

Lastly, if you're going to upgrade, you need to make sure you have a free PCIExpress x16 slot available. If you don't, the only option you have is to purchase a new computer, which I can help you with.

Good luck, and keep us updated with your decision!

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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 21:06
Quote: "@vilgil You don't need a low fps for a slow-paced game though, no matter how slow-paced your game is, you still need to maintain decent fps.You can buy a completely cheap and fast Nvidia graphics card out there, GTX 460 SE for example, for $150 that's a complete steal."


Quote: "I do. A 1GB GTX 260M and no problem at all. If you have the money you could get SLI and have double the power."


If you are going to just use this for FPSC purposes and perhaps some moderate to light gaming... a 9800GT is all you need.

I got rid of my 560Ti and made almost all my money back just to downgrade to a 9800GT. Mock me if you will but you
shouldn't blow your money when you don't have too. In my experience, 1 card should be enough. SLI only
really works when the crunch is almost unbearable for 1 card.

My 9800GT plays Mass Effect, All Points Bulletin Reloaded, TF2, etc pretty much fluidly and at high settings.
I only paid $50 for the card I'm using now and it has HDMI and DVI ports. I realized my needs would never meet what the
560ti was capable of, so I saved myself some money.

Its really to every man his own on this however. You might also want to upgrade your ram to 3gb at least is you can.
It would allow more buffer room for FPSC as it does seem to cap memory in a lot of occasions.

Hope I've helped.


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Posted: 6th Jun 2011 00:01
@Dillionaire: a geforce 560 ti maybe ? i'm looking forward to one of those and let us not forget about the ram, i don't recomend you to use just 2 Gb since the maximun memory usage for the fpsc maps is 1.85Gb, so... let's simulate a fpsc workstation scenario.

you've first opened fpsc in your life, you downloaded the last beta of the 1.18 update, and you didin't liked the stock guns sounds, the way the animations are comfigured, AND you´re also making your homework in the "WORLD"(the text editor) and with the msn on and opened, you've decided to download a sound editor, and look arround the forum to figure how to change some things in the guns, you have finished the download of your sound editor and you're using it now,
then you got inspired and end up building a big map, ya know ? just to kick some butt, discount rage, whatev... just try gessing what's gonna happen hehe...
fpsc crash like a soolling airplane, or worse, you pc get stuck and receive the beloved blue screen of death and then you loose everything, your work, your big map, and leave someone talking alone in the msn, cool huh ?

so... i recomend you to spend a little bit more in your ram memory,
let's say, have 4 Gb ? ram memory is cheap (if you don't live here).

this is more about confort, you know ? i mean, you could've maded your homework before clicking the fpsc's icon, and then when you do, you could close all of those programs you left opened, but then things would take much more time to get finished, coz you would need to open a program, export things, close the program, inport things in the fpsc, and that take a lot of time, so i hightly recomend you to buy some more ram memory.

mods for creating a inteligent game,at least
vilgil
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Posted: 6th Jun 2011 08:16
Hi

Thanks for everyone for your information.
Now I am clear that Intel Media Accelerator <> NVidia/ATI which are more powerful and I can expect a better fps by using them.

I have attached screenshots of the game I am making. Please take a look at them. I know this is not the thread for that but still just have a look and then please advice me...
I use a lot of static lights. I also enable shadow effect for all static objects. Without lightmapping the fps is higher. I suppose using a video card will increase fps.
I just want some advice on the following :
Using lot of static light, Shadow enabled objects, lightmapping quality=99 and lightmaptexsize=512 : will this drag the performance. I am not worried about the build time. I am worried about the runtime performance.

The issue is not whether I have to buy the card. I told you was totally naive about these cards. If I have to buy it I will buy it. Till now i did not had that need.

The issue was whether it is commonly used by all people who are playing games. In other words whether all other games also require a video to be played with a better fps. Well I suppose i can assume that although casual games don't require these cards, FPS, 3rd person shooter etc., will require a video card. Am I Right ?

And one more thing. I will would like to upload a demo for the opinion of the forum members in the near future - say a in week or two. However the full quality build package of 1 level is around 300 mb. Zipped it comes down to 100mb. What is the common method used by you guys for uploading these demos here. I would like to have some advice on this also.
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Posted: 6th Jun 2011 11:31
I thought I'd hi-jack this thread since I am after some similar information concerning GPUs, but from a portable perspective.

I run FPSC soley on a laptop and any desktop solution is not an option as I use FPSC on the train on my commute to/from work.

My current beast of a machine is as follows:
1.3 GHz Celleron
2 GB RAM
48 MB Inegrated Graphics

Using this I get an impresisve FPS of 8 Hz for a simple level without characters and/or water. Clearly my machine is well below par for FPSC and I want to upgrade it. I've looked into replacing the GPU in my current system, but it's a dead end.

Does anyone else run FPSC on a laptop? What portable GPUs would people recommend? Is it worth getting a cheap system and upgrading the GPU?

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Posted: 6th Jun 2011 18:02
Alrighty vilgil, we've got a lot to cover. Firstly, you can improve FPS greatly if you drop "lightmapquality" down to 50. You should never use more than 50 because at 50, your game's shadows will look excellent. Anything over 50 is just a waste of RAM. I agree with gendestroier, you should upgrade your RAM, or buy an updated system altogether. You may be reaching the memory cap, which in turn limits you FPS a little because your RAM is having issues keeping up.

An examplento explain what I mean is like writing thank you cards. Say you can only write 60 words (or one card) per minute. Say you lose a finger (which would be the same as going from 4 GB of RA! To 2 GB) and you can only write at 50 words per minute. It now takes you a little more than one minute to write one card. So, you progress is slower. It's the same principle with RAM operations. The less RAM you have, the slower your progress, and as a result, your FPS lags.

Now, that said, your GPU is still the reason your FPS is so terrible. Your RAM plays a part in it, but your GPU is what's really holding you back.

Quote: "The issue was whether it is commonly used by all people who are playing games. In other words whether all other games also require a video to be played with a better fps. Well I suppose i can assume that although casual games don't require these cards, FPS, 3rd person shooter etc., will require a video card. Am I Right ?"


Yes! Hardcore enthusiasts like me, especially in the gaming world, drool over one part of computers more than any other part: the GPU. Every time nVidia releases a new GPU, I read every performance review, benchmark, and gameplay video with that Graphics Card to see how "she handles." The presence of a high powered GPU is THE factor that separates regular PC's from gaming PC's. The GPU handles every 3D application on your computer. If you GPU is old or underpowered, your FPS will sag as a result. Let me tell you what a GPU does every second.

The GPU calculates all polygons, where they are located in 3D space, and which ones it can remove from the current scene because they can't be seen by the camera. It maps the textures to every in game object, and then adds specularity and other shader effects. It calculates dynamic lights' influences on the environment, and the color depth of each object. The GPU calculates Level of Detail and texture compression are extreme distances and many more other things for the renderer (these are just a few). Now, get this...if your framerate is 60 FPS, your GPU does this 60 times every second!

So, as you can see, the GPU is the most vital performance factor in 3D applications such as games. A computer needs a GPU to run games, but it needs a better one to run them well.

Whew, that was a lot...so, to conclude anticlimactically, your two options are to upgrade your RAM and GPU, or get a new custom built PC, all of which I can help you with!

My Computer Specifications: Intel i7 980x OC @ 4.2 GHz |3x GTX 580's in SLI | 12 GB, 2000 MHz RAM (Corsair) |2x 1 TB HDD | 1.2 KW PSU |ASUS Rampage III Extreme Motherboard
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Posted: 6th Jun 2011 20:48 Edited at: 6th Jun 2011 20:55
Quote: "or get a new custom built PC"


i'm interested in your sys specs how much should we expect to pay for that in the USA ?

and i think as long you have a good motherboard, there's no reason to get a custom built PC, but it'll be the best choice if you got the cash anyway.

Quote: "all of which I can help you with!"


i would also be interested to know what kind of build would you sugest.

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 08:32
My PC's specifications? Well, before I tell you, all I ask is that when you're finished reading, you won't call me crazy. Deal?

My PC's Specifications/Cost:

Windows 7 Ultimate: $279
Intel Core i7 980x Hexa-Core CPU: $1024
ASUS Rampage III Extreme Motherboard: $329
GTX 580: $499
GTX 580: $499
GTX 580: $499
12GB Corsair RAM: $200
1 TB Hard Drive: $60
1 TB Hard Drive: $60
Coolermaster 1.2 KW Power Supply - $200
CD/DVD/Blu-ray Drive - $40
Coolermaster Case - $150
Other Accessories - $80

Total: $3311.00

Now, please understand, my rig was by no means intended for FPSC, heavens no, it was intended for high-end, triple monitor gaming. For FPSC, I offer a much cheaper budget gaming rig that starts at $1,499 for the tower, monitor, speakers, keyboard and mouse. Of course, you can still change any component of the computer to suit your needs/budget. I make computers that are much cheaper or much more expensive, it just depends on what you want and what you'd like to spend. haha

Its base specs are as follows:
Windows 7 Home Premium
AMD Phenom II x6 1100T Hexa-Core CPU @ 3.3GHz
ASUS M4A89TD Motherboard
nVidia Geforce GTX 560 Ti (Overclocked)
Corsair Vengeance 4 GB RAM
Western Digital 1 TB Hard Drive
Corsair HX Series 750W Power Supply
Xion CyborGX Gaming Case w/Red LEDs
22-inch Monitor
2 Speakers
Logitech Wireless MK710 Keyboard and Mouse

My Computer Specifications: Intel i7 980x OC @ 4.2 GHz |3x GTX 580's in SLI | 12 GB, 2000 MHz RAM (Corsair) |2x 1 TB HDD | 1.2 KW PSU |ASUS Rampage III Extreme Motherboard
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Posted: 9th Jun 2011 03:05
You didn't call me crazy, but awkward silence is just as bad. hahaha, just kidding!

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Posted: 9th Jun 2011 03:35
Just wondering but, what do you use on your PC? Do you have like 7 games on at a time while downloading 50 movies off the webs and watching youtube?


Cheers.

God help me, Please.

Come on down to my site at Unleashed FPSCreators
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Posted: 9th Jun 2011 07:56 Edited at: 9th Jun 2011 08:00
Quote: "Now, please understand, my rig was by no means intended for FPSC, heavens no, it was intended for high-end, triple monitor gaming. For FPSC, I offer a much cheaper budget gaming rig that starts at $1,499 for the tower, monitor, speakers, keyboard and mouse. Of course, you can still change any component of the computer to suit your needs/budget. I make computers that are much cheaper or much more expensive, it just depends on what you want and what you'd like to spend. haha"


I don't mean to offend but I could easily build a machine that would suit his needs for less then $350 (excluding monitor).

I used to be in the "benchmarking" mode but I mean, in real world applications, that is shear overkill, as you may have alluded to.

I'd like to also note that I'm on a brand new 32in Samsung Monitor ($250) that doubles as a TV. I know where to (and how to) shop
to get great deals. You just have to look through Ebay, Newegg, Craiglist, etc. This 1 32in drastically beats any tri-monitor
setup I have seen and its HDMI capable.


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@ASTEK

No offense taken. I can build a computer at $500 flat to meet his needs. The computer I listed above is my middle-of-the-line gaming computer. Like I said, I can build much cheaper or much more expensive rigs. If someone wants a really low cost computer, I can do that. The rig I offered would dominate FPSC, but it also doubles as a gaming rig. If he wanted to take away the gaming functionality, I can do that, and just build an FPSC capable computer.

My smallest monitors are 27", and those are the three I have in nVidia Surround. I also have a 40" TV in my room that I have my HTCP computer hooked up to, my Xbox 360, and my HD DVR, all through HDMI. I know exactly what you mean about the size. The only reason I use DVI on my 3 monitors is because I want to route the sound to surround speakers. Its hard to find a sub-30 inch display that comes with quality speakers, and even at that they are only stereo.

And I get all my stuff from the Egg! That's the place to go when you're looking for deals. My next option is always TigerDirect, but only new stuff. I NEVER buy open-box.

My Computer Specifications: Intel i7 980x OC @ 4.2 GHz |3x GTX 580's in SLI | 12 GB, 2000 MHz RAM (Corsair) |2x 1 TB HDD | 1.2 KW PSU |ASUS Rampage III Extreme Motherboard
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Posted: 13th Jun 2011 19:49 Edited at: 13th Jun 2011 19:50
@Dillionaire


Sorry for the delay. But i was looking into these cards.

Would a Geforce GT430 be enough ? It is around 79 Euros.

I don't want the latest like GTX580 because i want my game to run in a moderate level computer also. So i find the GT430 to be moderate level GPU. I would like to design the levels in such a way that it runs in a moderate level computer.

Gt430 should be good enough ?
Thanks
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Posted: 14th Jun 2011 02:30 Edited at: 14th Jun 2011 02:32
Quote: "You didn't call me crazy, but awkward silence is just as bad. hahaha, just kidding!"


ehehe !!

Quote: "3311.00"


what the hell ?!

i would pay at least 7 times more if i buy this kind of hardware here.
uHHH !! i just hate how policy is handled in my country ! we have 50% of taxes in everything we have !
i've payed almost 1400 dollars for THAT:

nvidia 9600 GT 512 mb GDDR3 = $300
standart motherboard (crappy) = $120
power supply 430w = $73
1.5 TB HD = $180
18.5-inch monitor = $270
core 2 duo E7500 2.93 Ghz = $300
2 Gb RAM, standart (generic) most knew as PPRAMD(Poor People's Random Acess Memory Device) = $70
standart (poor) gabinet $20 (i ram out of money)

i already had a dvd player/recorder and periferics like mouse, keyboard, joystick and a crap of a speaker.

minimun salary here in my state: $322.

so... d'you think i've made a good busyness ?
or d'you think i should sell all of this crap and buy things in the USA up to now ?

Well ! back on topic !!

Quote: "Geforce GT430"


i would take a GT440 if i were you, actually i would take a GTX560ti but if you liked the card's price you wouldn't mind taking the GT440 (exelent card, don't even get close to a GTX 560 ti but still an exelent card).

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