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Geek Culture / Euthanasia, FPSCreator and unexpected consequences

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Wolf
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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 07:48 Edited at: 16th Jul 2011 08:03
Hey people! I just woke up, haven't even had my coffee yet and saw a thread on the german FPSC Board about my older game "Euthanasia".

You might have followed its release and noticed that it had a few thousand downloads all over the world. I didn't see that "fame" coming nor did I really want it...but yeah...apparently due to its title "Euthanasia" which could have been anything else, but this sounded nice, it somehow came involved with actual debates about mercy killing in italy.

Now the mud is really hitting the fan because: The "mediaexpert" (according to his statement, I find this title highly debatable) Klaus Davi had a chat with the doctor and politician Paola Binetti
about the publishing (which never happened because the game is free) of my game "Euthanasia". Well, now you can already guess that as soon as this sort of folks talk about videogames...nothing good comes out. This "Expert" states my harmless little game to be:
" an harassment to all kids and teenagers".
Jaw dropping, isn't it?

The 68 year old conservative politician has been interviewed about the game and found its "Will to violence" and "culture of death" disturbing. (Well, apparently, these fellas are member of a party named "opus dei" which have extreme conservative points of views on everything including "the sims" supporting homosexuality).
I can not tell you what I personally think about these people because it would violate the AUP but isn't it obvious that they are just picking on the game due to the Euthanasia Debate going on in Italy?

The reporter however wrote nicely that the game was the result of months of work by a single person and is indeed just a normal first person shooter. But its now getting ugly:

The undersecretary of state, Carlo Giovanardi, also takes a position “I ask the Left-wing supporters and the anti-prohibitionists at every cost: after the videogame on euthanasia will there be a follow up with a videogame on racism? On anti-semitism?” “These videogames should not be permitted in the hands of children”, explains the undersecretary of the Department of Health, Eugenia Roccella, who believes that “this videogame is a product of a subtle and sneaky marketing operation that tends to advertise a pro-euthanasia culture in a very dangerous manner”. They totally got me...I work for the grim reaper

It also calls for rejection on behalf of Aiart, the Association of Catholic Viewers. “How can we put a videogame like ‘Euthanasia’ that explicitly promotes an illegal practice on the market? Self-regulation is false and undependable” affirms Luca Borgomeo, president of Aiart. “the videogames- he concludes – is no man’s land. It’s not enough just to not sell 'Euthanasia' to minors, we have to open their minds to reason regarding this situation. We cannot allow the culture of death to be promoted through fun”.

It really makes me feel bad to see my simple game being abused to fuel political discussions from people with medieval points of view... how sad

But well...thanks for reading. I hope TGC doesn't get any wierd mails trhough this. I doubt it...nobody even contacted me...




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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 08:29
Games have always been used to fuel political debates. Grand Theft Auto, one of the most notoriously violent video games on the market, is used as an excuse of why kids go through and gun down innocent people.

What people fail to see, is the kids who play these games all have a pattern of neglect from their parents. Nobody ever blames the parents, they blame the games. The games are rated M for a reason, why would you let your 12 year old child play a game intended for 17 / 18 year olds? Irresponsibility is the main reason why we have laws.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 08:30 Edited at: 16th Jul 2011 08:31
This sort of reminds me about the Rockstar game 'Bully'. Even before the game had been released there were people citing it in arguments saying it was a bullying simulator etc.

If people only look at the name of something and don't actually research it in any way they only make themselves look ignorant.

Quote: "What people fail to see, is the kids who play these games all have a pattern of neglect from their parents."


ALL?

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 08:30
Haha, that's epic.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 08:35 Edited at: 16th Jul 2011 08:38
Quote: "How can we put a videogame like ‘Euthanasia’ that explicitly promotes an illegal practice on the market?"

But normal fps games which involve murder are perfectly acceptable? Some people just make mountains out of the mole-hill. I hope this dies down and good luck, you may need it

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 08:45 Edited at: 16th Jul 2011 08:45
Quote: "Grand Theft Auto, one of the most notoriously violent video games on the market, is used as an excuse of why kids go through and gun down innocent people.

What people fail to see, is the kids who play these games all have a pattern of neglect from their parents. Nobody ever blames the parents, they blame the games. The games are rated M for a reason, why would you let your 12 year old child play a game intended for 17 / 18 year olds? Irresponsibility is the main reason why we have laws."


It is the only reason. We wouldn't need any if everybody would just be sane and responsible enough... but thats utopia. And yes! GTA has a lot of elements that even I thought went way too far. However, there are even tons more movies that are worse. And I have to add that not only playing such games led these kids to kill people. But also their emotional state, the way they have been threated in school and around. But yes... lets not start a political discussion on this.


Quote: "This sort of reminds me about the Rockstar game 'Bully'. Even before the game had been released there were people citing it in arguments saying it was a bullying simulator etc. "


-.- brilliant people these are. But yeah... they don't even research their material. Its only a bit unconvenient because its not some big company game they are hitting on but ...mine

Quote: "Haha, that's epic."


Yeah... I get a lot of E-Mails from people with adresses ending up in ".it" complaining about the usual runtime error that version of fpsc had. I wonder if there is any connection

Quote: "I hope this dies down and good luck, you may need it"


Oh! I doubt that I will get anyhow involved in this. But thanks anyway.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 08:56
Honestly, this kind of stuff is mostly hilarious. Sure, first time it happens you get all worked up about it - but the thing with creativity is that it'll always be misunderstood. We've had our games called violent (pixel cartoon violence), racist (due to including a lipfish in a fishing game), tasteless (dogfight game with awesome chiptune march music) and milking a franchise (we don't even have a franchise) and that's in the span of 6 months.

Haters gonna hate. Politicians hating your stuff is just a step up from the usual (and I can only imagine, infinitely more satisfying).

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 10:07
I dunno if it saddened you, but the idea of Italian politicians citing an FPSC game as ruining their country made me wet myself with laughter.

I'm pretty sure you can ignore it Wolfy. At least you have some media exposure now!

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 11:15
I don't know if I should laugh that some people are like this... Or cry that some people are like this...



...I decide I find it funny *snicker*



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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 11:24
Wow! I never knew the downfall of humanity had come to the point where people blame a free indie game for such things.
So I've added a few new people to the list of people who are complete idiots.


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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 12:27
I think it's right for politicians to worry about the youth in asia! BOOM BOOM TSSSSHHHHHHHHHH! (Thanks Ali G)

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 14:51
Congrats! Any advertising is good. Worst case scenario is they will never know who made it. Perhaps you can contact the press and make a statement?

Brian.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 14:53
Catholics talking about a culture of death, whatever next.

Oh and congratulations! Free exposure!



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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 15:14 Edited at: 16th Jul 2011 15:19
Well aren't those politicians a sharp bunch...

And who cares anyway,a lot of games get that sort of criticism and idiots of course jump to conclusions,but hey,free exposure.

Any sane person would laugh at this and maybe an even bigger interest in your game will be generated.

Quote: "They totally got me...I work for the grim reaper"

Of course,the picture of you in the leather jacket reveals your evil plans.


Quote: "the Association of Catholic Viewers"

Quote: "The 68 year old conservative politician"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8F8bFghhA8 ... This is a very appropriate response.Maybe tone down the profanity,but who am I to censor good ol' Georgie

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 15:32
Quote: "Any sane person would laugh at this and maybe an even bigger interest in your game will be generated."


Seconded. May we have a download link to the game please?
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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 15:33
Green Gandalf,the game is in the FPS Creator Showcase section.

Actually,here's a direct link - http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=176154&b=35

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 15:38
Quote: "It also calls for rejection on behalf of Aiart, the Association of Catholic Viewers."


I almosted choked myself laughing.

I wouldn't worry so much about what these so called "morality" groups and politicians say.

You should use your new-found publicity to speak out against the atrocities of the church and politicians.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 15:48
Quote: "Green Gandalf,the game is in the FPS Creator Showcase section."


Thanks. D/loading now. Three hours though ...

Must remember the patch, etc, as well.
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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 15:50
It's just their way of trying to get games banished using shock therapy. I mean, from my view, if I couldn't play a game with extreme violence, I'd probably be sickened and depressed from an operation in hospital. Sure violence is bad but I haven't heard of anyone killing anyone because of their lust to put games violence into the real world (bar the Manhunt crap :/)? Besides, if they're pushing you over for naming your game Euthanasia then perhaps they might as well shoot RE teachers and PSHE teachers too, seeing half of those lesson are debates about suicide and whatnot? Playing something like "Cannabis" doesn't make me want to go out and buy Cannabis, it just makes me think "just a bit of an odd name, meh", not like the corrupteds' methods of "OMG WE SAW UR TITLE HAVE EUTHANASIA! WE GONNA SUE UR BACKSIDE OFF AND PUT UR NAME TO SHAME AND TELL EVERYONE LEARNING ABOUT SUICIDE IS BAD AND LET PSHE TEACHERS TALK ABOUT IT ".

The govenment sickens me, the UK one definitely but I dunno, US' one must be tons better without this Clegg and Cameron boyfriends in your business, cutting off your only hopes of education I've gotta pay 9,000 blooming pounds a year now to go to a 3-year courser and another 3-year course, and I've gotta get that money by next year! Criste sagrada, they even got a doctor to discuss it too o.O.

Well, all I can say is good luck Wolf

Quote: "kids who play these games all have a pattern of neglect from their parents."


Hey! I played Resident Evil and Quake III when I was 5, I my parents were a little concerned as the only effect it had on me was wetting myself and running off when I walked into a room of zombie dogs . Most parents make it the child's choice, it's no fun being restricted .

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 16:17 Edited at: 16th Jul 2011 16:21
@the rami
Quote: "Honestly, this kind of stuff is mostly hilarious. Sure, first time it happens you get all worked up about it - but the thing with creativity is that it'll always be misunderstood. We've had our games called violent (pixel cartoon violence), racist (due to including a lipfish in a fishing game), tasteless (dogfight game with awesome chiptune march music) and milking a franchise (we don't even have a franchise) and that's in the span of 6 months."


Well, that means you are doing it right

@uzi idiot
Quote: "So I've added a few new people to the list of people who are complete idiots."


The persians where having one of these in the antique...they named it tower of babylon and it reached the sky... but maybe the story was different. Anyway: Yes!

@xplosys:
Quote: "Worst case scenario is they will never know who made it. Perhaps you can contact the press and make a statement?"
: The german journalist was linking to my project...but he was the only one. I'm happy if I'm not getting involved in this.
You see... I would have had to explain that the story is about a dead person on his way to afterlife fighting against all his fears from his pastlife to cleanse his soul and get reborn as a newborn... but I guess they would A) not get that B) nail me on a cross and burn me
As I wrote... a lot of italians are already mailing me about getting runtime errors. I guess the remake next year will sell a few copys

@Gencheff

Quote: "Of course,the picture of you in the leather jacket reveals your evil plans."


Yes...it was an actual mistake getting a picture of me in it...but I was only expecting a few hundred downloads in the first place.

Quote: "This is a very appropriate response.Maybe tone down the profanity,but who am I to censor good ol' Georgie"


Well...I felt like linking to this aswell But I didn't know about this version...I only knew the other one that mentions a... would violate the AUP.
I love that guy. He has exactly my points of views and I have all of his stand ups on my harddrive HE WAS AWESOME OMG!!!

Okay...enough of this

@Green Gandalf
Quote: "Seconded. May we have a download link to the game please? "

Here you go, remember to install the patch aswell

@Jerico2day:
Quote: "You should use your new-found publicity to speak out against the atrocities of the church and politicians."


Well... I would tell you what I think about them...but I can't without being rude so... well, if you have some sparetime, get on youtube and enter "george carlin - religion"

@SikaSinaGames
Quote: "Playing something like "Cannabis" doesn't make me want to go out and buy Cannabis"

I guess I would have consumed cannabis before buying or downloading a game named "cannabis"

Quote: ""OMG WE SAW UR TITLE HAVE EUTHANASIA! WE GONNA SUE UR BACKSIDE OFF AND PUT UR NAME TO SHAME AND TELL EVERYONE LEARNING ABOUT SUICIDE IS BAD AND LET PSHE TEACHERS TALK ABOUT IT "


That was basically their message

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 16:33
ROFLMAO X1000000000000000!!!!

I think that the media knows nothing about what kids know. I don't think you people want to know what go's through a kids mind so keep out k? Because I have played worse games then Euthanasia!

Also about it being dangerous... FAIL!!! Its digital!

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 17:32 Edited at: 16th Jul 2011 17:34
Quote: "I think that the media knows nothing about what kids know. I don't think you people want to know what go's through a kids mind so keep out k?"

Of course,the folks from the media were never kids themselves...I mean why would they,it's not like childhood is something everyone goes through..

Quote: "Also about it being dangerous... FAIL!!! Its digital!"

Not...Physically....Oh,Never mind.

@Wolf
Nice to see a Carlin fan on the forums.On a more topic related note,do you plan to make a sequel to Euthanasia?

By the way,I forgot to mention , your game is very popular in Bulgaria.A lot of people have talked to me about it,without me mentioning anything about it.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 18:00
I think you need to find a way to either a)monetise this or b)rise to fame on the back of controversy! Maybe you could ask the news channel/site/whatever for an interview, and turn up in a big cloak with the bodies of your enemies hanging off it. Then give a really strong pro-euthanasia argument.

Anyway... congrats I guess.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 18:20
I wonder how long it will be before the UK's Daily Mail newspaper gets a hold of this story lol

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 18:21
Why are you still giving it away for free if it's had so much publicity cash in on it!
I'd also use those quotes to your advantage, people are attracted by infamy.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 22:05 Edited at: 16th Jul 2011 22:09
Quote: "I wonder how long it will be before the UK's Daily Mail newspaper gets a hold of this story lol"


And I wonder how long it'll take before News of the World starts tabbing his phones...oh wait...they're shutting down.


Quote: "@Wolf
Nice to see a Carlin fan on the forums.On a more topic related note,do you plan to make a sequel to Euthanasia?"


Continue your line of controversial topics and call it 'Abortion'. Not necessarily make it about aborting babies, because I'm sure somebody out there WILL murder you if you do. But 'abortion' can mean something else - such as stopping an infection...like...an alien zombie infection (Plan 9 from Outta Space?).


Anyway, it's interesting to see an FPSC game get attacked, but as people have been saying it's free publicity. It means more people will discover your game and therefore more people will like it and it opens prospects for other games to make to be downloaded or even bought.



And it IS perfectly normal for people to not do their research at all. I'm sure all those extremists who want Salman Rushdie murdered would feel pretty silly if they realised that despite him being from an Islamic background his book is actually about a completely fictional religion. Or Fox News' guest psychology 'expert' to find out that actually Mass Effect's sex scene isn't anyway near as bad as it was made out to be and is tame compared to what is shown on day time TV.

People see something or hear something and jump to conclusions. If they don't do their research before going on a tirade then they're bloody idiots. Bloody idiots who are amazing to exploit for marketing purpose, but bloody idiots none-the-less.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 23:44
Quote: "I don't think you people want to know what go's through a kids mind so keep out k?"


Well..if you speak of the mind of a 14 year old in puberty that wants to mount everything with legs...I guess you win.

Quote: "Of course,the folks from the media were never kids themselves..."


No, they are aliens from a sunless planet full of popmusic, soulless television soaps and useless debates about nonsense while their real problems dont get any attention. They try to invade us creatures of light and steal our love like the bloodsucking vampires they are...well, metaphorically spoken.

Quote: "On a more topic related note,do you plan to make a sequel to Euthanasia?"


I'm remaking it 2012... making it more stable, less depressing and dark and more storyfocused.

Quote: "a)monetise this or b)rise to fame on the back of controversy!"


Nah, I'm not interested in any of these.

Quote: "I wonder how long it will be before the UK's Daily Mail newspaper gets a hold of this story lol"


Lets hope its not going to happen...

Quote: "Continue your line of controversial topics and call it 'Abortion'. Not necessarily make it about aborting babies, because I'm sure somebody out there WILL murder you if you do. But 'abortion' can mean something else - such as stopping an infection...like...an alien zombie infection (Plan 9 from Outta Space?)."


No...I'm not going to do that...that just sounds wierd even for my standarts BUT sometime this year I think I'm going to make a completely insane game in the style of Lynch's Eraserhead.
Lets see what comes out of that.

Quote: "People see something or hear something and jump to conclusions. If they don't do their research before going on a tirade then they're bloody idiots."


Yay! They are bashing love in a videogame... killing is good but sex? no way! Lets forget how empty our lives are and get upset about something we do not even remotely understand.

Get a life people...

The more I see and hear of this, the more I start to idolize Bill Hicks as some sort of prophet and modern Jesus. You can impale me now on that tribute to bill clinton monolisk in front of the white house

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 23:43
Sorry for the doublepost fellas, but I just had this article translated:
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In these hours the Italian political life is literally turned upside down by a new video game. You read that right, a way of gaming is sweeping the wings more conservative, and not only to Parliament and Government of Italy.

The title in question is "Euthanasia" and the name of good will understand why all this fuss: the delicate issue of euthanasia triggers the minds whenever it is uttered. The game in question is a 3D shooter for the PC in which the protagonist, Shaun Randall, is a former marine who had to leave his job following an accident during a mission that has made him paralyzed on a wheelchair. Just this new state, groped the man decides to commit suicide, but not succeeding remains in a coma and is thus treated in a military psychiatric hospital where a doctor, the thought of sharing Shaun injects him the fatal solution.

For Binetti, this is a typical video game violence of those "that aim to introduce the culture of death, relying on ever-younger consumers of video games," adding that in his opinion "Euthanasia promotes inner aggression of children. I am not surprised that such a game encouraging forms of bullying. " And then go down into specific in more detail: "This game like the recent referendum in Switzerland, shows that there is an offensive of certain lobbies. Beyond the 'forms of self-producers, it must be said explicitly that certain video games are harmful ".

But Binetti was not the only one to take a position on the title. Also, Carlo Giovanardi, Minister to the Prime Minister with responsibility for the family, tells her about: "My question to libertarians and anti-prohibitionists at all costs: euthanasia will do after the game 'after a video game that promotes racism? Anti-Semitism? ". He adds Eugenia Roccella, Undersecretary of Health, said that''It 'totally inappropriate to entrust this kind of game in the hands of a child ", adding that''this game and' devious son of a marketing operation that tends to propagate a culture of pro euthanasia in a dangerous way. "

Needless to say what was the reaction dell'Aiart, the Association of Catholic viewers, who have condemned the very explicit game with a sentence issued by its president: "The culture of death can not be easily ground through entertainment." He adds: "How do you put on sale as a video game that explicitly Euthanasia Propaganda an illegal practice? Self-regulation and 'fallacious and, as you can see, it leaves too many holes "

Opponents of the title, therefore, are based not only in the last analysis MOIG, that 1 in 4 children in videogames begins at age 3, and hence the possibility that children will soon get too close to sensitive issues such as , in fact, euthanasia, but also on the regulation of the gaming market.

And what do you think? Political exploitation of a security, or agreed?"


Is that cool, or is that cool?



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The only thing that was was unreadable, dear Wolf.

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What was?

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Quote: "the protagonist, Shaun Randall, is a former marine who had to leave his job following an accident during a mission that has made him paralyzed on a wheelchair. Just this new state, groped the man decides to commit suicide, but not succeeding remains in a coma and is thus treated in a military psychiatric hospital where a doctor, the thought of sharing Shaun injects him the fatal solution."

Is that really the plot?

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Quote: "Is that really the plot?"


Not entirely...

Its the introduction:

"In Euthanasia, you play Shaun Randall. After your time in the military, you live a quiet, sometimes too quiet life. Working as an office employee in a preserved food facility, happy with the pay, you enjoy family life with your son Mike and your attractive wife, Kelly. Life takes a bitter turn when you are hospitalised in a freak accident with a taxi. Surviving the accident - but at the cost of your lower limbs - you find yourself bound to a wheelchair for the rest of your life.

After a series of failed attempts at your life and being commited to a mental institution, a therapist offers you a compassionate but controversial way out.

Patient Shaun Randall: Died 21 January 1965. This is where your adventure begins."

The games plot is to get rid of your fears and cleamse your soul from all blackness to get reborn again / enter afterlife.

As you can see...not much literal euthanasia going on there



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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 01:56
That is awesome! I had no idea you were so politically motivated in making this game.

Once again, I was not surprised to see the term "racism" used in ones description of the game. If the word weren't so personally motivated, used wrong, and meaningless, it might be funny. Hell the game even promotes bullying. I mean, how cool is that.

I am so jealous!

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 13:41
So...your game is genuinely about euthanasia? That...changes alot.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 14:30
Quote: "but I just had this article translated"


Unfortunately I couldn't make much sense of that translation. Although I think I got the gist of it. Bizarre.

The game has a very "Silent Hill" look and feel about it - and as usual with such games I took so long to work out how to aim and shoot that the first zombie I encountered killed me.

I obviously need some practice with FPSC games - in particular which buttons/keys to press for different things. I couldn't find those details in the game itself. I'd have been more impressed if the complainants had raised such issues.

The sad fact is that there are people who get upset by the subject of certain films and games. A friend of mine wouldn't let his children watch a TV series about Robin Hood. I was baffled and asked him why. He said it included witchcraft in the storyline which was true. I was amazed it bothered him. Sounds like these Italians are out of the same mould.
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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 17:34
Quote: "So...your game is genuinely about euthanasia? That...changes alot."

No, it isn't about euthanasia. That's just the context of the story. More importantly, no, it doesn't change anything. It changes absolutely nothing. We should be allowed to make games about subjects like that too, just as we should be allowed to make a game about - in the words of a man I really respect - love and loss and sex and loneliness and depression and the pursuit of happiness and meaning and ambition and failure and deceit and trust and escape and drugs and drinking and fear and death and loving kindness and the sweet seduction of suicide.

We should be able to make any game to convey anything that we feel or suffer through or think about or reflect upon or hear about or experience or happen upon. That's why we're artists in the first place.

That also means there's going to be stuff that you don't agree with, but that doesn't matter. If we can write an essay in favour of euthanasia, we should be able to make a game in favour of it, too.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 19:04
I think it's called freedom of speech and expression, which is all fine and good. Everyone wants to be free to do what they think is right. It's just that there are some who think that their idea of good and right is the only correct idea, and everyone should fall in line with it. You see, you're free to do and think and believe whatever I think is right.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 19:11 Edited at: 19th Jul 2011 19:12
Thats true. I even have a lot more strict moral points of view in my games than a lot of commercial big company productions.

You can never kill civilians in my games
You are never be able to harm kids in my games (which is part of the game makers moral code aswell)
You will never kill or fight a defensless (oh, the grammar) being in my games
And I would never even think of encouraging people to bully each other or promote racism.

If we take the backgroundstory away, Euthanasia is a Monstershooter in an Asylum...nothing more and nothing less.

Its creepy, more than I expected it to be, it has a controversial introduction story...but its just a first person horrorshooter in the end.

@Coffee Grunt: feel free to speak your mind, though. Would be interesting to hear what you have to say about it



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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 19:14
Quote: "You see, you're free to do and think and believe whatever I think is right."


Not if I have a shiny coin for you, then that will change.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 19:22
Quote: "Not if I have a shiny coin for you, then that will change. "


Hey! Ever thought about entering politics? You seem to understand the system

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 19:55
Quote: "Not if I have a shiny coin for you, then that will change."


Only until I put it in my pocket and eventually remember what it is I was doing. Now don't make me email Blue Fox.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 20:25
Well if it is about euthanasia, then it changes my perspective at least, because I thought it wasnt't. Therefore while a first I believed the game was simply being picked on for it's name, proving the politician's ignorance. If the content does indeed involve Euthanasia, then it means they actually either played or asked someone who did play it.

I don't really care about the paper-thin facade of free speech. This game is what it is, and I doubt it'll get removed from download because of some random Italian politicians noone there seems to like.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 20:26
This is easily the coolest thread at TGC... ever. Do these people really have nothing better to do than this? Seriously lol.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 20:29
As in the people posting, or the people saying Wolf is like a cross between Satan and Nightmare Moon?

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Quote: "or the people saying Wolf is like a cross between Satan and Nightmare Moon?"


These people

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 21:40
Quote: "These people"


Good to hear, I find it funny that you've been given such status.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 21:53
Yes... those people lol. Not the people posting.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 21:55
Irony is, this makes this probably the most famous FPSC game yet.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 22:10
Quote: "Irony is, this makes this probably the most famous FPSC game yet. "

Yeah. It really does.

I've been following this thread, and I don't know what to think of it. This is rather amazing. An interesting way to go down in history isn't it

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Posted: 21st Jul 2011 02:43
Quote: "If the content does indeed involve Euthanasia, then it means they actually either played or asked someone who did play it. "


Yes, apparently they had a show running where they showed scenes from the game while an interview. I would love to see that (of course) Could also be an error by the translator which is much more likely.

Quote: "Irony is, this makes this probably the most famous FPSC game yet. "


Way too much actually. It has only a few thousand downloads on european filehoster but far more on balkan, former russian and southamerican servers. Some of these go over 20.000...
It just feels wrong...I wanted a really good game of mine being famous and on the news...not this random shooter.

Quote: "An interesting way to go down in history isn't it"


FPSC History of course



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