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Geek Culture / I HATE it when this happens-GTA getting sued!

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TheAbomb12
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 10:18
Sigh...

Hey Guys,

Look at this article...
http://pc.ign.com/articles/456/456135p1.html?fromint=1

it talks about civil suits being drawn against gaming companies like rockstar.

Post what you think about this.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 10:32
It's basically scumbag trial lawyers trying to make a buck. So far these lawsuits have failed miserably but you never know. If you get a jury stupid enough (and we have some pretty stupid juries in North America) they might buy into the argument - even if there is no factual evidence of a correlation between the games and violence.

I notice no one questions what 2 kids were doing with firearms in the first place!

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 10:59
It's not the games fault, the kids still havn't understanded life.....f*** the company that dare's try to sue GTAVC.

Grand theft auto series is a brill!!!game to play, the childn thought they could do the same thing as tommy.

"Its only a game" meaning dont copy anything in it, nor get all pissed if you lose.

Stupid.....

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 11:09
one word --- Disclaimers.

Also, Its the parents' faults for being so careless in how they raise their kids. I mean seriously, if 2 kids dont know better then to copy a game like GTAVC, then they are either INCREDIBLY blind as to what the difference between life and a game is(parents' faults, most likely), or they were already f**ked up in the head to begin with. A game does NOT make you go out and shoot people, and that is all there is to it. The only people responcible are the kids and their parents.


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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 12:34
i mean it should be the parents fault for letting underage kids for playing gta in the first place!

gta clearly has a 18+ rating in the uk but does that stop kids playing it nooooo

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 12:43
yea, and its 17+ in the USA. That little label is all they really need to show to win that case lol. well unless the kids were 17 or older. But still, the label clearly states that the game is violent. Case Closed lol.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 13:10
but i cant laugh
i brought gta2 when i was 16
brought gta3 when i was 17

but when i worked at a school talking to some kids 15-16 they all played the gta games. so it's a trend to play them.

but you think all it takes is for a kid to persuade a parent to buy the game for them.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 13:23
Lets see, played GTA1 when i was like 12
GTA2 when i was 14
and GTA3 now (16)

Hmm no urges to kill anyone yet, damn.
And GTA3 *just* came out in japan last week, they didnt even dub and its got the "capcom" logo on the cover now :/

Anyway im thinking it is bad parenting, not letting them play violent games, JUST NOT TELLING THEM THAT BUYING A LOADED GUN AND SHOOTING PEOPLE IS WRONG, unless its in a game :p

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 13:45
the thing is now, games are getting more are more realistic.

if some kid played gta3 while not realising what the ouside world is like it would screw them for life. thinking there's all sorts of crooks out there

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 15:24
Ambulance chasers have been replaced by Digital counterparts. Considering how many of these games sell, you would think there would be far more of these kinda stories if it was true.

Go here to read my views on the subject, I don't feel like repeating myself.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 15:34
Well you couldve copied and pasted, I dont feel like reading all of that :p

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 16:33
Quote: "GTA getting sued!"

Well, that's more publicity for the games, so their sales will probably go up now

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 16:35
Bad publicity though so parents won't be giving their children it as 'birthday presents' and what-not.


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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 16:37
Ah! You are assuming that only children play these games.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 16:52
Frankly I think that kids over 13 can handle this stuff (if they can't, there's a major parenting problem). I blame the schooling system for crap like this

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 16:53
Yeah adults could go around shooting people too

Wonder if the mafia play "mafia"

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'Wonder if the mafia play "mafia"'

The thought's crossed my mind once or twice

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 17:06 Edited at: 23rd Oct 2003 17:06
Yeah but I beat you to it so its now:

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 17:09
no it good publicity the more it looks like more it look like it will be bannd the more people will what to play it.

look at music, you make a song that has a video so bad that MTV bannds it. so then you get lots of people buying the CD-DVD boxs set to see how bad the video is.

any way look at what he`s tryed to sue all ready
Quote: "Attorney Jack Thompson is representing the families of the shooting victims and has previously made charges against Halo, Everquest and other popular titles as diversions that promote violence"


this is the dum thing you can`t take reposabety for shoting some one then why do you think you can make some reposabety for it to.

i hope thay win and then thay get sued by the parents of the people that got shot becos thay let them play GTA.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 19:56
I dont know where exactly your from but its not about telling someone whats right from wrong, its the way they live. I mean, if people told thier kids what was right and what was wrong and it actually worked then I'm sure the world would be a better place. Some people live in places where theres a lot of violence around them. Theres no point saying that game unfluenced killers(or just game infulenced violent people) must be retarded to begin with because you dont know how different other people are.

Anyway, i dont think games make people kill, but they can make people more violent.
So actually remember that I say they MAY make people more violent, but it has never been proved. Still, it hasnt be proved that they dont make people more violent.

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Quote: "Anyway, i dont think games make people kill, but they can make people more violent."

umm... I've never met someone who's violent because of games. I mean, for example: I used to play Doom and Castle wolfenstein as a lill kid, and till today I play carmageddon, Counter Strike, Postal 2, Unreal Tournament... Despite all that, I'm not an aggresive person by far.
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2003 21:02
I am guessing here but I think that the company behind gta has more than a little more money that the parents of the children who did the shooting and has a higher chance of success of than sueing a gun company.
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Watch them try to Sue American Army Online next. lol

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Posted: 24th Oct 2003 01:00 Edited at: 24th Oct 2003 01:56
Quote: "Anyway, i dont think games make people kill, but they can make people more violent."

I know that feeling, I once played a Mario Bro's game and ever since then I've always wanted to attack a plumber when they overcharge

...and as for hedgehogs (reaches for a shotgun)

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Alot of these lawsuits come to pass ::coughamericanlawsuitscough:: and quite frankly, the games are passed (they must be by law now) a board rating ... if someone injures themselves or goes out and hurts other people because of something they see on Television or within a Computer game then they are mentally unstable or immature for the games content.

If it is the latter then the parents are liable for legal actions because they're allowing thier child to use something unsuitable for them, and it is actually against the law to allow such things.
(Although R-Rated Films/Software bug me a little, Not even WITH an adult should children see/play such things)
And if its the first, they case shouldn't be in a court but actually infront of a Psych Board and be thrown in a small 5x9 rubber room - as they're a menace to everyone not just themselves.

At the end of the day once the game has a certificate you know what is in it, if you continue to play them it is at your OWN risk not the developers, not the publishers... YOUR OWN.
And this is why each and every case against the courts fails.

there should be a god damn law or atleast legality that states that you CANNOT bring media to court on Charges that it made you go out and do something, unless those charges can be proven that some form of hypnosis/suggestiveness was used.
I'm stick and tired of these crybabies sue everyone yokles taking up all the valuable time in our damn court systems, what don't they have anything better to do with thier day like... i dunno GET A FRICKING JOB!

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Quote: "Anyway, i dont think games make people kill, but they can make people more violent."


Well, I dunno where YOU'RE from but where I come from, its not the gamers who are violent, its the druggies and the "gangsters". Sometimes the jocks and preps. The gamers and computer ppl are the ones who actually aren't violent at all. The way i see it, its better to take your anger out on poor and helpless 3D models then on real people(and it really does work).

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Indeed. They go after the well-to-do teenagers who flip and go killing people, blame killings on computer games and other crap like that, and make a massive deal about it when there are places in those very cities where shootings and murders aren't even considered a big deal. Reality check !

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Quote: "They go after the well-to-do teenagers who flip and go killing people, blame killings on computer games and other crap like that, and make a massive deal about it when there are places in those very cities where shootings and murders aren't even considered a big deal. Reality check."


only one gaming country where this is the case, everyone raise your hand if you can guess which.
for an extra 10 points which is the country that has the biggest problem with gaming violence?

oddly the runnerup is Japan, they didn't want GTA3 there ... but that wasn't for the violence, actually thier reason was bloody funny but makes more sense.
They didn't want a game sensationalising criminal activities that are so readily accessable to todays youth. Not for the fear that they make copy what is in the game, but that they start to believe that such things are cool to do.

I heard there was a pretty big advert campaign about it all.
Personally I do like thier approach more, they're not trying to blame the game for what people do ... they're trying to say it glamourises something that doesn't need to have any more of a high profile put on it.

The Brits did the same a few years back for Carmageddon, but in a typical english mannor - lol so the blood was changed from red to green and the vid that came with it was taken off. It was annoyingm but still wasn't a case of "oh i've just run over 40 people after playing you game, and the fact i was drunk behind the wheel has nothing to do with it... it's all that games fault!"

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Posted: 24th Oct 2003 10:29
Right on raven,

Simply put, Its Irresponsible to blame crimes on video games and other "violent" media. However, I do believe people can start to believe such acts are "cool", but even then, they know right from wrong and have the sensibility (i hope) to distigish.

Another intresting note, American's have one of the highest death rates for gun realeated incidedents ( i believe its around 10,000 people a year). America has just about as much violent movies, games music, as other countires, yet those countries have SIGNIFICANTLY less gun deaths a year. go figure

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Quote: "only one gaming country where this is the case, everyone raise your hand if you can guess which"


Are you referring to the Greece fiasco?


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Americans kinda really lack that 'common sense' that most other nations have. Somedays you can get the feeling your living in a nation of children... no offense or anything, but americans are hardly the sharpest tools in the box as a whole.

Quote: "Are you referring to the Greece fiasco?"

what fiasco? i kinda figured they didn't buy them there, everyone i know from greece seems to pirate games from thier mates.
Swear there must be like 1 moron who buys his games in the country and the rest of the country circulated it

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"Somedays you can get the feeling your living in a nation of children... "

Sometimes I get the feeling this board is full of children too

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Next step, sue Hollywood for violent movies. Doesn't GTA have an EULA or something when you install it ... there must be some disclaimer saying something like "we're not responsible for any harm to your cat, dog, family etc etc arising after playing this game, please install at your own risk" or something. If you clicked "Continue", then they can't be sued.
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I am 17 now... i have played GTA 3, Vice City, GTA London, and GTA 2, and am i a violent person.... maybe a bit... but i don't go out jack a car, drive by some mob bosses house, then pick up a whore for extra health....

All these lawyers want is money for there time wasted.... and even for that theyre F*ckin idiots for thinkin they will have even a slight chance of winning.

There is a tag on the US games for a reason... and if you look on the back of them, you will see the listing of all offensive items in the game. on Vice City it says "Extreme Violence, Extreme Language, Gore, Breif Nudity" or somthing to that manner.

So these lawyers can just shut the F*ck up about suing great game creators, And parents should learn to pry into there childrens lives.... NUF SAID

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Posted: 24th Oct 2003 17:50
yes but thay trues you to now that if you nick a car and the cops shot you do not start agen at a hospital whit out your guns
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Unless you use the cheat to make youself invincible.

What I want to no is how you can be so stupid the only way you can get an idea to steal a car is from a game. Surly every kid gets the idea to steal a car and go for a little joy ride. The difference being most realise it's a bad idea and don't do it.
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The article said a couple of teens killed "1" person.
Whats the big deal? People get killed all the time?

Thats like me sueing Microsoft flight simulator for being so realistic and train arab soldiers to fly a plane and cause 9/11.

A game is a game. People that cant tell the difference shouldn't be allowed to use them.

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I spend ages programming and playing strategy games, but I haven`t tried to invade France or create the world ( yet!)

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Posted: 25th Oct 2003 01:35
it just the US you can sue any body for any thing.
case in point
http://dotmusic.msn.co.uk/chameleon/msn/news.asp?id=31290&st=normal

when will people leren if you brack the law it your flat not GTA or Britney Spears flat.

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Quote: "Another intresting note, American's have one of the highest death rates for gun realeated incidedents ( i believe its around 10,000 people a year). America has just about as much violent movies, games music, as other countires, yet those countries have SIGNIFICANTLY less gun deaths a year. go figure"


Canada- Has an equal amount of violence in video games, and in movies/on tv/etc, but yet the amount of people shot and killed in Canada is WAAAAY less. It has nothing to do with the games. It has to do with how people are taught to respond to it, meaning its up to the parents to teach the difference between games and real life. If the parents cant do that, or the kids cant realize the difference, thats their faults, not the games.
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Heh, i bet that it will probably be revealed that the kids owened a pirated version of the game which would mean that it was their fault from the start... lol...

Then the lawers would be f*cked, litterally... lol...


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Not really;

If a robber goes into your house and falls over an hurts himself then he can sue.
(Its a sad sad world)

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Its so stupid... its much safer to shoot amd make sure the burgler you shoot in your house is dead because any other way he can sue... "ohh i hert my leg on your table while robbing you blind".... Bob VS. Burgler.... Burgler wins... gets paid all medical fees and 1500 in damages... Bobs messed over...

Instead safer to go... BAM..BAM BAM BAM... "he came after me officer... had no other choice... it was self defence"

the sad part its true...

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Yea no kidding. If someone can sue while being injured while breaking into their house, you know theres something wrong with the world
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Quote: "The article said a couple of teens killed "1" person.
Whats the big deal? People get killed all the time?"


you know in countries like Canada, England, Germany and even as far afield as Australia ... Killing even 1 person, or any dead body really under anything other than natural death is front page news.
That is how it should be - someone is killed on Tuesday everyone is scared by Wednesday.

The problem is that to you guys... it isn't a big deal. Thats the saddest point of all really isn't it.

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on the shooting someone comming into your own home, if they are uninvited guests, and they are trespassing on your proterty without permission ... legally you are allowed to defend you home from them, whether they have made threatening moves or not.
although there is that silly law about "resonable force", that law ONLY applies to those enforcing the law - if it is private property then technically this law does not apply.

and any lawyer who cannot win your case based on that is one hell of a crap lawyer ... and the legality of ownership specify that such actions are not illegal but considered personal rights.

Ofcourse if you live in a council house or tenants house (flats) then the rules are different.


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