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FPSC Classic Product Chat / [LOCKED] How serious should I get with FPS Creator?

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Slayer267
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Okay so I have been wondering... How far should I go with FPS Creator? I went beyond the limits already. Infact. I have converted my whole basement into a office for my company. Now I'm starting to think i'm going too far and my demo is selling quite well... I am starting to get a steady budget and people are liking the game. I feel like i'm catching up with Infinity Ward and them, I'm getting their kind of level design, their kind of combat. But I also feel alittle overpowered about this stuff but helpless at the same time. I have to completely redo multiplayer because well... The old ones sucked and were made in 5 minutes. Plus I have to redo zombies and such. I feel like... I'm going to be professsional... I feel I should learn how to code and script... So then I can do all of this for myself and create games people will enjoy more then just
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So... What do you guys think of this... Feeling...

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Wolf
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Posted: 10th Jan 2012 15:54
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Do you have any proof for your points here?

Its easier for me to believe in the easter bunny than you starting a business with FPSC and "catching up with infinity ward".

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@Wolf hahahahahahhahah you are a legend xD. I'm with Wolf about this ! Only that you need to have to catch up with Infinity Ward is :
- Thousands of lines of code
- Over 200 people to work on it (With school)
- Better Engine*

* Look , FPSC is great program to make games , but It's not for too serious use. I mean , I will never sell my games which I made in FPSC , becouse I don't think than someone with believe in my "seriousity" to make great game.
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The fact of the matter is... you should learn how to code and script.

* Are you able to model? (eg. I don't mean static barrels)
* On top of modelling, can you animate.
* Are you a talented artist that takes games from sketch pad to PC?
* Do each of your games have content that you've created yourself.

Looking through your threads, sure, your level design has improved nicely. But seriously, don't rate your self to be "catching up with infinity ward"

Get a couple of guys working on a team and maybe you could produce something that is awesome. But a one man band couldn't out do what a major company could do. That's an over statement.

If you use model packs, go the extra mile by reskinning the models.

You should try make an MMORPG with your new company then. Use FPSC to create this game. *sarcasm*

The good thing slayer267, you seem to have passion and drive. Keep it up and you will go far.

I'm a web dev and graphic designer, in the past 3 years I've come from living on the streets to owning an awesome apartment with an amazing view. Keep up the persistence, work hard and you can achieve anything!

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Posted: 10th Jan 2012 17:18
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Before you get too serious with FPSC I think you need to take her out for a nice dinner first. Maybe go see a movie together. Really get to know her.

In all seriousness, I don't really understand the point of this post. Unless you aged quite significantly since I banned you for posting pictures of yourself you're nowhere near old enough to have a house with a basement or own a company. How or should that be WHY are you selling a demo? Aren't demos usually free so people can try out your game. Where are you selling it, at school? And finally, if the levels you've made need remaking because you did them in 5 mins, how in the world are they near professional quality?

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@Slayer267:

Okay, I'll play Mr. Super-nice-guy, and assume that everything you said above is true.

I'll overlook the fact that your website can't be found either by your site host or Internet explorer.

I'll also overlook the fact that, unless you have a small basement, you converted your whole basement into an office even though only a demo is available (and not the full game, right?). I can see that someone might need an office for their project, but a whole basement? Either it's a small basement, or you're doing over kill. But I said I'd overlook that, so moving on...

So, what is making you feel overwhelmed and hopeless? If you've taken it beyond what you thought was possible, what could be discouraging you from going even farther? After all, if you are in exciting, uncharted territory, doesn't it make sense to explore until you finally max everything out?

Honestly, if FPSC offered me a path that took me to greater fame and fortune than Halo and Call of Duty, I would take it. Take it as far as you can - because it is a really awesome engine - and where you can't go, find another one that suites your needs.

Go ahead and redo the maps, a good company would go the extra mile to make sure everything works and at least looks good (Im' surprised you're doing multiplayer with the "Waiting to Join" bug floating around in FPSC).

And do learn how to script. The more you can do on your own, the fewer people you'll owe a favor

And be sure to fix that website!

@bojandurmic:

Quote: "- Thousands of lines of code"


The FPSC engine is thousands of lines of code. At least 40,000. Perhaps you're thinking of hundreds of thousands of lines of code?

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Quote: "So... What do you guys think of this... Feeling..."

Dont worry...it'll pass.
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@Captain Coder you are right. I mean hundreds of thousands of lines of code. But I mean that he need to write them himself. TGC are great developers , with schools ! And congratiolations to TGC for their all game making programs. But , can one user write 40 000 lines of code himself ? I think that answer in NO.
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Posted: 10th Jan 2012 20:59
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Quote: "But , can one user write 40 000 lines of code himself ? I think that answer in NO."


Well, it could be

Print "Hello world"

40 000 times


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Posted: 10th Jan 2012 21:14
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I wrote over 20,000 lines of code for RPG EdMod. It took me about a year working on it by myself (part-time). There is now around 60,000 lines of code for FPSC. I think Lee wrote about 40,000 (maybe almost 50,000) lines of code himself but I'm not sure if he had help in the early days. It seems it was his baby. But, it, too, took a lot of time. Scene Commander has written quite a bit of code and of course so did Plystire and airslide as well. All this code was added to the original.

Thraxas, it could be his parent's basement. I know Bill Gates personally from the 60's and early 70's. We have not been in contact since the 70's but I do recall his working out of his parent's house when he started Microsoft. It wasn't a basement but a spare room. He and another fellow (I can't remember his name) worked in a spare room. However, I'm sure Slayer is possibly exaggerating things somewhat; or maybe a lot.


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Yes, I turned my basement into a office. Lol.
I have people volenteering for me. Atleast 12 of them. About 8 I physicaly know and the others are from the forums.


Whats making me feel overwhealmed - I have to finish 9 multiplayer maps and 3 zombies with scripts that don't even work! (Need some repair, Either that or i'm not setting it up correctly.)

Whats making me feel hopeless - I feel hopeless because I have to finish too much with no actual technical help from my team except for my 2 scripters and 1 modeler! I also only get level help from my CEO, and he just started this like 1 month ago. The rest are just level designers. See what I mean here?

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Posted: 10th Jan 2012 21:45
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No one told me we had to wear boots here. Now I've ruined a perfectly good pair of loafers.

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Posted: 10th Jan 2012 22:03 Edited at: 10th Jan 2012 22:06
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Ummmm............. Okay.....

Quote: "In all seriousness, I don't really understand the point of this post. Unless you aged quite significantly since I banned you for posting pictures of yourself you're nowhere near old enough to have a house with a basement or own a company."


I live with my parents and the company is legally my dads.

Quote: "WHY are you selling a demo? Aren't demos usually free"


Who said CDs were free?

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Posted: 10th Jan 2012 22:25
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Quote: "Before you get too serious with FPSC I think you need to take her out for a nice dinner first. Maybe go see a movie together. Really get to know her. "


thraxas can I put that in my sig?

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Posted: 10th Jan 2012 22:40
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Quote: "thraxas can I put that in my sig?"


If you want to

Quote: "Who said CDs were free?"


Well, IMO, CHARGING for a demo is a big fat no. Whether or not you have costs associated with creating a demo is irrelevant. I, and I'm almost 100% certain most other people, would NEVER pay for a demo. I expect them to be free, and if it is good then, and only then, do I put up some money for the full game.

Quote: "Whats making me feel hopeless - I feel hopeless because I have to finish too much with no actual technical help from my team except for my 2 scripters and 1 modeler! I also only get level help from my CEO, and he just started this like 1 month ago. The rest are just level designers. See what I mean here?"


And finally, while I won't lock this thread...yet... this whole paragraph tells me that this is all a load of rubbish. Some people might think I'm being rude, but I've seen it all before.

Seeing as you have this incredible PAID FOR demo available (on cd, no less) how about showing the forum the demo, a company like yours which has 12 people working for it, can surely upload it somewhere, so we can all see your Infinity Ward level design and combat. And surely, no cd would mean no cost to us. No doubt there will be a plethora of reasons why you cannot upload it, which in my mind will just continue to confirm that no demo, no company, no basement office actually exist.

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Posted: 10th Jan 2012 22:42
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Quote: "Well, it could be

Print "Hello world"

40 000 times "


Ha ha

Quote: "I wrote over 20,000 lines of code for RPG EdMod. It took me about a year working on it by myself (part-time). There is now around 60,000 lines of code for FPSC. I think Lee wrote about 40,000 (maybe almost 50,000) lines of code himself but I'm not sure if he had help in the early days."


Wow, that sounds like a big headache

Quote: "I know Bill Gates personally from the 60's and early 70's. "


Aww, lucky!

Quote: "Yes, I turned my basement into a office. Lol.
I have people volenteering for me. Atleast 12 of them. About 8 I physicaly know and the others are from the forums."


Interesting!

Quote: "...and 3 zombies with scripts that don't even work! (Need some repair, Either that or i'm not setting it up correctly.)"


Well, post them in the scripts board! Most of us are here to help fellow devs. Unless you want to keep the scripts private or the maker of the script doesn't want them made public, post them! I love scripting, I'd be happy to help

Quote: "Whats making me feel hopeless - I feel hopeless because I have to finish too much with no actual technical help from my team except for my 2 scripters and 1 modeler! I also only get level help from my CEO, and he just started this like 1 month ago. The rest are just level designers. See what I mean here?"


Okay, so what do the other 9 guys do? If most of these guys are level designers, why do you have to do all nine maps ? They work for you, right? There's this little thing called project management (PM) in the real world - it's leading (not bossing around) a team and delegating appropriate amounts of work to team members based on budget, time constraints, and the amount of quality the job requires. I don't think that's the best definition in the world, but I don't think it's too shabby either.

So, if they all do good work and have the time, give each of them 1 map to do (that is, if they are all level designers and aren't just critics looking over your work). In the mean time, you'll manage everything, try to fix the scripts (with a little help from the community! ), and update and fix your website. There, you have just eased your work load, while showing the rest of your team that you aren't just shoving work off to them so you can be lazy. And boom! If all goes well, your project is done!

The success of this, ofcourse, depends on group dynamics, time schedules, etc. But if you're nice and actually help them out, it could work



Furthermore, if you already have a demo that people actually like (an accomplishment for an FPSC game ), why would you want to quit and dissappoint everyone? Also, try to upload your game to a file sharing site; it'll allow you to distribute your game for free - all someone needs is a good internet connection.

Let us know what happens

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Slayer267
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Posted: 10th Jan 2012 23:20 Edited at: 10th Jan 2012 23:31
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Quote: "Well, post them in the scripts board! Most of us are here to help fellow devs. Unless you want to keep the scripts private or the maker of the script doesn't want them made public, post them! I love scripting, I'd be happy to help"


Trying to keep them private!
Unless your willing to help...

Quote: "Okay, so what do the other 9 guys do? If most of these guys are level designers, why do you have to do all nine maps ? They work for you, right? There's this little thing called project management (PM) in the real world - it's leading (not bossing around) a team and delegating appropriate amounts of work to team members based on budget, time constraints, and the amount of quality the job requires. I don't think that's the best definition in the world, but I don't think it's too shabby either. "


I'm sorry to say this... But they're idiots.

They don't have a clue on how to use FPSC. I gave them a link to the free version! Alot of people are going to get fired -.-

Quote: "Well, IMO, CHARGING for a demo is a big fat no. Whether or not you have costs associated with creating a demo is irrelevant. I, and I'm almost 100% certain most other people, would NEVER pay for a demo. I expect them to be free, and if it is good then, and only then, do I put up some money for the full game."


There is a digital copy of the Demo that is free. Like I said before; They do not trust online hosting sites of any kind and are dumb and don't know how to download something. Sheesh... Shows how much time I spend on the computer...

Quote: "no company, no basement office actually exist."


Are you serious? Pictures -

Lounge Area



My Part



More of my part



Meeting area and employee work area.



Are you sure it doesn't exist?

GAH! ITS NOT WORKING!

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Posted: 10th Jan 2012 23:31 Edited at: 10th Jan 2012 23:35
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Quote: "Are you serious? Pictures - "


Yes, pictures don't prove the existance of a game... I can whip up a few screenshots over the next hour if you like and then claim I have a game, then I'll take a photo of my desk and say I have a company . In this instance I don't believe there is a game, but please prove me wrong.

EDIT- but seeing as this is just a bit of harmless fun, I will take up the challenge... Over the next hour I will create a game and office.

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Reminds me of that song Ocean Front Property...

I might even have the Golden Gate in my basement somewhere.


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Slayer267
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Quote: "I'll take a photo of my desk and say I have a company"


What do you want a video? Oh wait I think I left my camera in the underworld. Let me go recover it -.-

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Quote: "They don't have a clue on how to use FPSC. I gave them a link to the free version! Alot of people are going to get fired -.-"

God no!! they will take you to court and sue your company for unfair dismissal and then....where would you be?.....didn't you even interview them?....why dont you download the demo for them?....can I get a free demo for even posting in here?.....do you wish the tribal council to punish them for you?....we are here to help.
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I have a fridge in my basement...might just be the beginning of my cryogenic research lab.

Seriously Slayer, we know that you're probably underage, just try not to make a complete fool out of yourself.

If you and your buddys want to play gamestudio, thats cool with all of us here... just please do not let us know.

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@Slayer

All the links are broken. Including your website, as it has been for Lord knows how long.

Quote: "I'm sorry to say this... But they're idiots.

They don't have a clue on how to use FPSC. I gave them a link to the free version! Alot of people are going to get fired -.-"

Why "hire" them in the first place?
And any model packs you use-- you must have a license for more than just yourself if the others are working on it.
If you're to be a successful company, you most definitely cannot have your employees running around with FPSC Free with not a clue in the world what they're doing. That's just sloppy and unprofessional, and definitely not Infinity Ward standards (Though the most recent IW iterations of CoD seem to prove otherwise )

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I dearly hope none of those evil ne'er do well's are from around here. I wish you the best of luck with this and if you let Thraxas know who they are I am sure he would ban them forthwith.

Good luck and dont listen to them they are just jealous.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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He said demo. I would also like to see a demo of this amazing game! I saw your picture in THIS thread, and you think that can even compare to Infinity Ward? You either have no idea what you are talking about, or are to young to understand that AAA games now a days are not made in 2 days. They have huge teams working on it all the time, and about your "team".... really? It sounds as if either you do nothing or they don't. And if they don't, why even have a team? If they are not doing a whole lot or don't know how to use it, teach them if you are so good at it.

Please stop trying to show off your "amazing" FPSC skills, i have seen this a bunch of times before. And if i recall you tried to challenge Bugsy for who's map is better? Haha! Is that supposed to be a competition? I know im sounding mean here, but let's be honest. Bugsy has been here for far longer than you have been, and your screenshots do not even compare to his. And im totally fine with the whole "company in basement" thing, i kind of did the same thing. I have a different setup just for my FPSC use in my basement. And with the pictures, i believe you on that one.

Sum it all up, give us proof that your game is that good. Meaning gives us the actual demo, what is so bad about filehosting sites? And stop acting like a child, acting like you are better than everyone else ok?

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Uhhh yeah they can't sue me. They sign a contract when they are fired.

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Quote: "Awesome! Its one of those threads."

LOL

It's about time. This place has been getting boring.

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Quote: "It's about time. This place has been getting boring."


It has been rather quiet lately. At least i now have some reading available during my tea time.

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I put the kettle on for tea. The Council Summoner polished the gong and waits for your cue.


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Demo that is out of date - http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=189932&b=35

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Okay... Keep your stuff in your one thread, we don't care about everything you're doing, or how great you think you are at it... We know you're interested in game design.. But really, slow down. Passion is good, but it's blinding you.

Having an area set up for game design? Ok, that's fine. But forming a company, hiring and firing employees, being professional? Calm down.



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Quote: "Calm down"


I can't! I'm too deep in the rabbit hole!

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Truly I feel your pain.....I too had a team of slackers all they ever did was sit around eating bluberry muffins drinking coffee and blowing up penguins.
My mum got so mad.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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It's the beauty of the internet. We can be whatever we want to be in this make believe world. I know you guys think I'm a slightly aging, brilliant minded, extraordinarily handsome business wizard and super-stud, but I could be a balding, over the hill, dumb and ugly-as-sin looser for all you know.

You do think of me that way, don't you?


Quote: " all they ever did was sit around eating bluberry muffins drinking coffee and blowing up penguins."


No me. I was in the bathroom!

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Here's my brand new website for my new company: http://thraxocorp.webs.com/

It has everything you need to know about my company, and my new game..

http://thraxocorp.webs.com/ Visit my totally awesome website: Thraxocorp. It's my own company and I'm totes the CEO.
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Posted: 11th Jan 2012 00:31 Edited at: 11th Jan 2012 00:34
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You lived in that bathroom. What exactly were you doing in there?

@Thraxas...are you hiring?

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Nothing is going to get done by just hovering the boot over him. This thread should of gotten locked and some slaps/bans handed out, not too long ago. Seriously.

Whoever said that Intel graphics fail, obviously never owned a Core i5.
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3 different kinds of bread?!



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Posted: 11th Jan 2012 00:37 Edited at: 11th Jan 2012 00:47
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I'm not trying to dishearten you Slayer, it's great that you are excited about FPSC, and the game you're making, but I think you really need to think about what you are posting here. Lots of people have claimed to have companies who haven't.

So in the interest of all I will lock this thread now..

http://thraxocorp.webs.com/ Visit my totally awesome website: Thraxocorp. It's my own company and I'm totes the CEO.
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