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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Public "Realism" beta test.

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Bugsy
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Posted: 6th Feb 2012 01:17
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for a little concept I had. wanted to see if it could be done. anyways- here's a video of the level, talking about how to understand the AI:



and here's a download for the level.

http://www.mediafire.com/?44threhuq5nc63l

If possible, I'd love it if anyone that played it left me some info regarding:

were there any exploits to make the AI unable to kill you?
were there any bugs other than the ones listed?
how many tries did it take you?
was it too easy/difficult?
general suggestions?


Known bugs:
Enemy guns going through walls- this can be fixed when I make the AK47 vweap a tiny bit smaller.

Enemy can get stuck in air duct- not sure how to fix this yet.


Rules:
one shot kills you.
enemies take more than one shot.
peeking disabled.

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Le Shorte
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Posted: 6th Feb 2012 01:54
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The video looks like a huge achievement for FPSC AI. Downloading now. I'll get back to you once I've played it a few times.

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Posted: 6th Feb 2012 01:54
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The video was nice.
i played the demo
Quote: "were there any exploits to make the AI unable to kill you?"

Nope,unless you use the boxes for cover

Quote: "how many tries did it take you?
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about 4 tries
Quote: "was it too easy/difficult?
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it was fairly easy

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Bugsy
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Posted: 6th Feb 2012 02:00
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Quote: "Nope,unless you use the boxes for cover"

that's the idea.

Quote: "about 4 tries"

Quote: "it was fairly easy"


you're pretty persistent.

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Posted: 6th Feb 2012 02:05
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Quote: "were there any bugs other than the ones listed?"

Nope.

Quote: "how many tries did it take you?"

One try, played through it twice.

Quote: "was it too easy/difficult?"

Well, I was very cautious, petrified that a single bullet could kill me. Enemies suppressing me made me especially careful. The AI was great in that sense.

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Bugsy
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Posted: 6th Feb 2012 02:23 Edited at: 6th Feb 2012 02:24
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good to hear, thanks for the info le_shorte.

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Beastlymaps
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Posted: 6th Feb 2012 03:48
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I would love to test it, but when I open it...it says
Quote: ""This application has failed to start because MSVCR100.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem""


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P.S, do these scripts only work in v119 beta?

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Posted: 6th Feb 2012 16:49 Edited at: 6th Feb 2012 16:51
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nice work! Bugsy... just wanted to say I enjoyed watching the video... a rareity on the forum... most videos are about some strange mythical animals...

Just wanted to commend you on your effort its giving me the chills just watching the video haha i was almost dodging while watching the video lol reminds me of MGS on PS1

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OH almost forgot to add... the wireframe was nice!

EDIT

Perhaps make the wireframe some kind of time skill? you know like maybe in Max Payne style slowmo timer bar cant think how to describe it

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Posted: 6th Feb 2012 17:54 Edited at: 6th Feb 2012 17:56
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so the new radar feature is best out of 1.19 for you, i guess?^^

very nice gameplay show. search forum for sneak/stealth, i think storyteller and another guy (if not you) discussed this a few wekks back. would be a nice addition too, and now with wasp-commands absolutely possible to do.

EDIT: ahh, here we go. http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=188380&b=23

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loler
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Posted: 6th Feb 2012 18:29
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Quote: "were there any exploits to make the AI unable to kill you?"
nope

Quote: "how many tries did it take you? "

2

Quote: "was it too easy/difficult?"

it wasnt that easy but it wasnt too hard just a little bit challenging

its not a bug its a feature
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Bugsy
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Posted: 6th Feb 2012 21:38
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Quote: "P.S, do these scripts only work in v119 beta?"

no. v1.18 or even v1.17 but don't steal them.

it's a built game so just download the dll and put it in the folder. sounds like you prolly gotta update directX

Quote: "it wasnt that easy but it wasnt too hard just a little bit challenging"


perfect.

Quote: "Perhaps make the wireframe some kind of time skill?"


Wireframe isn't meant to be in game. it's only to showcase in the video what the AI does.

Quote: "search forum for sneak/stealth, i think storyteller and another guy (if not you) discussed this a few wekks back. would be a nice addition too, and now with wasp-commands absolutely possible to do."


I had a long conversation with myself over whether or not I should add the implementation of "sneaking" or "stealth" into the AI. fact of the matter is, these enemies can be snuck past, but only by realistic means. slinking through the shadows as conspicuously as possible isn't something that would, in real life, effectively hide a person. "Sneaking" past these enemies would involve checking to see where they were, luring them to one area, perhaps with a grenade, or by making noise there, and then going around behind them.

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Posted: 7th Feb 2012 00:15
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@Bugsy - I wasnt going to steal them, I was just wondering because I wanted to try them in a different level. I wouldn't re-distribute somebody's hard work like that.

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Posted: 7th Feb 2012 12:04
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Quote: "I was just wondering because I wanted to try them in a different level."


tbh, I'd prefer you didn't, as the level is set up in such a way that they'll work properly, and I haven't even tested them in other situations myself.

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Posted: 7th Feb 2012 15:01
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Realism? With that number of grenades you would have brought down the building

Anyway, nice AI. A tad smarter than FPSC's default AI? Just a suggestion; if you could add voice communication between team members you would increase player immersion.

Nice work

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Posted: 7th Feb 2012 16:08
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Quote: "With that number of grenades you would have brought down the building"


big lol & yes, right.

bugsy, cant you (player) use parts of the enviroment as boxes and stuff? i dont have the beta yet, but i know that there was a antigrav-weapon implemented in waspmod, could be that its also implemented in beta. with a little scripting or editing you could use as hands to throw things around instead of using grenades to pull the enemies to a target place (like deusex & co).

just a thought.

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Posted: 7th Feb 2012 21:09
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Quote: "if you could add voice communication between team members you would increase player immersion."


that's a damn good idea.

Quote: "throw things around instead of using grenades"


actually, that's also a great idea. since I made the grenades do very little damage, I considered using little noisemakers to replace them. that way they'd serve the same purpose, but in the final game I could use a different model. I'm planning on re-animating the guns anyway. on that note, does any of you have Ultimate Unwrap 3d who'd love to do me some favours?

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Posted: 7th Feb 2012 23:04
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@ Bugsywell, i played the demo 2 times took me 3 tries the first time and 1 the last time i just added then togethere
the last time i played the demo i found out i could throw a grenade were the other guard was so they both ended up in that place.i went back down stairs and move far back from the walls then went inside, they were facing the vent so i went behind the crate and killed them

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Posted: 8th Feb 2012 00:25
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Quote: "i went back down stairs and move far back from the walls then went inside, they were facing the vent so i went behind the crate and killed them"


nice tactic!

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Posted: 8th Feb 2012 22:57
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just how did you do something so realistic on the fpsc engine.
i would download it but pc has filtered the site as hacking and i carn't get rid of it.
this could be a step forword

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Posted: 8th Feb 2012 23:09
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Quote: "just how did you do something so realistic on the fpsc engine."


well, I took influence from other games, and plan to do a rigorous community beta test to make sure it's nice and fun, while being as real as it can be.

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Quote: "I took influence from other games, and plan to do a rigorous community beta test to make sure it's nice and fun, while being as real as it can be."

do you do this through scripts?

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Posted: 9th Feb 2012 12:15
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Quote: "do you do this through scripts?"


yes of course.

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Hat off bugsy, i like to come around to the forums even after some long time since i left fps creator, but this dude, this is amaizing
Best AI so far on fps creator i must say, great work dude, i will have to try it out myself now

Cheers,

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Are You ever going to release these amazing scripts.
if people use these right, people could have the next big selling game of any country roundif you ask me.

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@ bugsy were did u find thoose windows in your demo? also the aia is great

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Quote: "Hat off bugsy, i like to come around to the forums even after some long time since i left fps creator, but this dude, this is amaizing
Best AI so far on fps creator i must say, great work dude, i will have to try it out myself now"
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havent seen you in awhile! you should hit me up on msn or something

Quote: "Are You ever going to release these amazing scripts?"


probably not, if I do it's after I make a game with them.

Quote: "were did u find thoose windows in your demo?"


model pack 3

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Posted: 9th Feb 2012 22:06
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Quote: "probably not, if I do it's after I make a game with them."

well then in that case, you need to start that game lol

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Posted: 10th Feb 2012 01:28
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it's more or less started, they're really just a modified version of the scripts I use in When Worlds Collide. These ones are a little bit more geared towards tactical gameplay and realism however.

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Quote: "were there any exploits to make the AI unable to kill you?"

There was a glitch of some sort, at one point one of the enemies slided through a wall and still couldn't see me.

Quote: "how many tries did it take you?"

1

Quote: "was it too easy/difficult?"

too easy

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aw, sorry you had such a bad time with it brendy boy

it usually doesnt work that bad.

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is it just me, or can everyone else see the next james bond game with these scripts

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ehh...hhh..h
not really
works more for a game with the SAS or spy groups and stuff like that

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james bond is a spy

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i know,i mean like spy groups
not 1 man super ninja/soilder guys

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it was still a good idea and i now understand what you said

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wow 2 days of no comments lol
lets bring this back alive people....

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the beta period is over. I've taken the comments into account. expect to see a project with this AI.

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Quote: "expect to see a project with this AI."

OMG Fantastic carn't wait for this project.

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