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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / [LOCKED] Any Body Wiling to share Hands On Dark Basic Pro Volume I ?

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Juggernaut
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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 09:56
Hello,

Anybody willing to share hands on Dark Basic Pro Volume I ( full text book, not just the first 4 chapters ) ?

Thanks,
mr Handy
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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 10:04 Edited at: 21st Mar 2012 10:05
me body, me wiling
Juggernaut
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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 11:36
Thank you for your good hearted effort Mr. Handy..... but unfortunately that copy contains only the first 135 pages of the book .....
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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 12:13
I don't know if my body is willing to share something with a book

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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 12:18
Thank you "TheComet" for giving it a thought .... anyway .....
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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 12:51 Edited at: 21st Mar 2012 12:56
Hmm... Internet says no more funny pages. Me sad. Maybe you try Amazon? Me can't use Amazon.
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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 14:11
Maybe you should consider this is likely to be ilegal?

I'm pretty sure that anything more than the first 3/4 chapters that I believe were handed it out for free is an infringment of copyright law. You should only own digital copys if you either bought them lgeally from a publisher or you own the real book and have made digital backups yourself.

Go buy the book. I'm sure there are digital download sites as well as amazon and ebay. Its worth having the hadcopy for ease anyway.. although I have to say I use book 2 which mostly 3d more anyway.

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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 14:23 Edited at: 21st Mar 2012 14:25
Quote: "Maybe you should consider this is likely to be ilegal?"

When you give a book to your neighbour for a while, you should go to jail.
He is asking not to share with all internet users, but to share personally with him.

I want this book too but it is very hard for me to get it via Amazon or Ebay. So I have to cry to my pillow.
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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 14:45
Digital skills sell a erm digital edition via their website

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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 15:44
Kind of on-topic?

I read the first post again, and I'm not entirely sure I understand your question. Are you offering to send me the book so we can both look at it?

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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 16:38
Quote: "Kind of on-topic?

I read the first post again, and I'm not entirely sure I understand your question. Are you offering to send me the book so we can both look at it?

TheComet"


Carry on ... you are very good at it ....
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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 16:49
@Juggernaut

I think best for you will be asking a few specific examples from the book that other ppl have.
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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 18:26
@mrHandy:

Yes mr.Handy - I guess that will be the way for now ....
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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 20:34
Quote: "When you give a book to your neighbour for a while, you should go to jail.
He is asking not to share with all internet users, but to share personally with him."


Theoretically if you lend a dvd its illegal - books are slightly different if its a paper book there should only theoretically be one copy and if you copy this in any way. either physically or digitally you are copying it without the owners permition therefor breaking the law.

shaing a digital copy with anyone even if its only one person is still breaking copyright law. the fact you even posted some chapeters is likely to be worse because you've made copyright material publicly accessable.

Your not loaning Juggernaught that information. your giving him a second copy, - unless of course your deleting your copy when you send it?

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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 21:32
@mrHandy: Looks like we got a priest among us.

And for those who are wondering mrHandy is infringing copyright law - because he has just shown a link containing sample chapters of a book - that are publicly available from the distributor's website - http://www.digital-skills.co.uk/

If any body thinks this is an offense , then he/she should first take

http://www.digital-skills.co.uk/ to court ....
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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 21:44
that cracked me up

I was waiting for someone to mention that XD

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2012 01:24
Quote: "@mrHandy: Looks like we got a priest among us."


Just a warning. as many people seem to thing piracy and copyright theft is ok..

Quote: "And for those who are wondering mrHandy is infringing copyright law - because he has just shown a link containing sample chapters of a book - that are publicly available from the distributor's website - http://www.digital-skills.co.uk/"


I'm sure there is probably something on his site somewhere that states your not allowed to link off with express permision of the owner. My initial responce still stands loaning of a digital copy of the book is still breaking copyright law.

I find it funny that on this forum especially yo guys take copyright law so lightly. I guess thats ok if yo only ever intend to produce freeware.

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2012 01:47
lmao@TheComet
but yeah I agree with Penfold as should you guys, furthermore..
Quote: "I think best for you will be asking a few specific examples from the book that other ppl have. "
..just the same end result if its from chapters not given out for free - if anything from those chapters is reproduced that is...heres a thought, why not just ask on the forum for specific issues your having like everyone else..or you could just go buy it for yourself, someone did actually work hard on producing the product...just sayin
NB now authorities have proof you intended to break the law should you ever do it and get caught, so keep checkin over your shoulder every few minutes just in case, you might be raided any moment :o lmao*2
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2012 08:55
@James H
- Hello mr. Brown. Could you please tell me LOTR's song lyrics?
- A Elbereth Gilthoniel O Elbereth Starkindler, silivren penna míriel...
- Officer, please, put a cuffs on him.
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2012 11:16 Edited at: 22nd Mar 2012 11:22
Quote: "I find it funny that on this forum especially yo guys take copyright law so lightly. I guess thats ok if yo only ever intend to produce freeware."


Alright Christopher Dodd, settle down.

In the US, giving out books or dvds is not illegal in any way. Further, linking to another site is not illegal either. Add to that I highly doubt digital skills would want to keep people from linking to their site! Lastly, I checked their site, it has no rediculous clause about not linking to them, and such a clause won't hold up in court anyway.

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2012 16:00
@Jerico2day:

Quote: "Alright Christopher Dodd, settle down.

In the US, giving out books or dvds is not illegal in any way. Further, linking to another site is not illegal either. Add to that I highly doubt digital skills would want to keep people from linking to their site! Lastly, I checked their site, it has no rediculous clause about not linking to them, and such a clause won't hold up in court anyway.
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Thank you Mr. President ..... for giving out the verdict ..... that should settle the case .... at least for now ....

So "Any" Body, "Me" Body, "Some" Body or "No" Body ..... let us all calm down ..... and do what we do here ......

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2012 21:25
Giving products away is very different to sharing them, over here we call it gifting...in case you hadnt noticed the internet isnt restricted to the US, Digital Skills is a UK based company, in the uk lending a DVD or book out to someone technically is illegal if the product is protected by piracy and theft and the provider isnt authorised to do so, it doesnt matter wether its a book dvd or game - its a product protected by piracy and theft laws. Even libraries cannot just stock any book they wish to, they must meet all qualifications to be able to make them available to the general population. Teaching people what you have learned from the product isnt however, unless you use the material you learned from directly to teach with.

I have no idea when the title of president was given or what powers if any the president holds but I will not accept any response as a "verdict", however their site does have a uk landline phone number available to call, so if Im to accept any "verdict" it will be from the response I get when I call that number tommorrow to give them a link to this particular page..

@mrhandy and to think I helped you recently - rest assured pertaining to call someone names will always ensure I click the little red icon on your post and complete the report as abusive, expect no help from me in future.

The nature of the question makes this page flamebait material at the least, Im only surprised it hasnt been locked yet, what your asking is without doubt illegal for as long as the product remains a product thats protected by piracy and theft laws. It really doesnt get any more complicated than that.

As for the link, normally I would think that should be ok, whats available from the link is the same as the samples provided from my download history for DBP(I kept a copy from a while back), however the link isnt available from the companies homepage(ie not intended for access) and the samples are no longer available in my accounts download history and a different sample for the purpose of sampling their product is now provided from their homepage..

All that said, if a mate was to ask me to borrow a book I had I wouldnt be too fussed about getting caught, however if they ask me on a forum that could be used as evidence then my answer will always be no.
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2012 23:27
Quote: "@mrhandy and to think I helped you recently - rest assured pertaining to call someone names will always ensure I click the little red icon on your post and complete the report as abusive, expect no help from me in future."


I had not this in mind .... when I started this thread .... breakups between pals .... sorry .... it is all my fault. I apologize.
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2012 00:15 Edited at: 23rd Mar 2012 00:17
when did he call names? I missed something here

Jerico2Day is Forum President because nobody else wanted the title... [just kidding ]

in the question of 'BORROWING' I find that copyright law fails somewhat...

how can copyright be breached if you 'BORROW' something... and not hold a copy? I mean if I sell something, which apparrently is in many DVD movies... [maybe just the rental ones] Then anybody who ever sold to a second hand shop broke the copyright law and THATS A LOOOOT OF DVD'S...

I think some companies need to realise... copyright law needs to be updated to common everyday consumer behaviour...

however I still agree with the DO NOT COPY/MAKE COPIES and ONE LICENCE PER USER system, as I wish not to be a hypocrit... [is that correct?]

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2012 00:52 Edited at: 23rd Mar 2012 00:54
It would be illegal to obtain the entire copy without paying for it. The reason that several chapters are on their website, is because they own the copyright or have a legal written agreement with the copyright holder and can do what they want with it. If they want to post the whole book for free, they can (again, because they own the copyright or have a legal written agreement with the copyright holder and can do what they want with it.). Unless expressed, it would be safe to assume that you cannot take those snippets and post them on your own website.

Nobody else can. When you 'buy' it, you are not 'buying it'. You are buying the rights to view it. You do not own it.

Same with video games, CDs, paperbooks, and DVDs. When you buy one, you don't own the movie, or game, or book, or CD. You own the right to watch the movie/play the game and they provide a copy of it for your own use.

I remember a while back that major game companies tried suing companies like Gamestop for resaling games. Even farther back, I remember movie companies wanting to charge for movies being played in classrooms. If you look at the back of a game box or dvd, it probably says that you cannot copy it, resale it, rent it, charge people to play it, etc. Companies that you rent games and movies from, have paid a hefty price for the rights to do so. They don't just go to the store, buy 10 movies, then rent them out.

I'm no lawyer, but for common people, it is probably safe to assume that unless you paid for something and bought it from the original owner (or a company that is credited for being trustworthy), you don't have the right to use it.

Work smarter. Not harder. I think.

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2012 01:11
If you ceck out any modern dvds copyright information. It states no unautherised lending > therefore lending a dvd both in the us and UK is against the law (I have region 1 dvd's so please dont tell me theres a vast difference in copyright law between these two countres)

As zeroslave has pointed out classroom have also been effected by this which is why youve seen lately the inclusion of classrooms and oil rigs and other social venues as illegal to *show*.

I own my own business and I have to worry about simple things like using images without concent on my webpages, for instance the new TCG Cardfight Vanguard that is soon to be as big as Pokemon I cant even post an image of a card back withought permission if it is intended to be used to sell the actuall product.

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2012 01:19
Quote: "I own my own business and I have to worry about simple things like using images without concent on my webpages"


@Penfold -

[we both share the same worries, glad I am not the only one here that thinjs about these things constantly... policing copyright infringement is getting easier contrary to popular belief...]

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Yeah tell me about it.. had the UK Konami representative email me the other day requesting information on where I had sourced certain images. thankfully they were with concent from a core distributer.

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woah what was that over?

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