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Slayer267
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I have been really wonder if I should release Operation Defuse for free... I do have expenses for this game, like server space etc.

The thing is, I've worked so hard on it, I worked everyday for months and now, I just release it for free... Because, well apparently to my Beta testers, it sucks.

But then how will I pay of the expenses? Money doesn't grow on trees.

What should I do?

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Slayer267: Can I test it out? I really would like to help you can send me an email. I would want to help your get it worth buying and I dont want anything from it just want to help. But by the looks of it with the right improvments it could end up well and the hard work will be payed for! Just dont give and and keep working.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 05:04
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Sent it.

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Why do you have to pay expenses for what? sorry but i do not understand

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 05:10
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Quote: "server space"

mediafire.

Quote: "to my Beta testers, it sucks."

however you can fix that.

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but there are free upload sites

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 05:22
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Quote: "Quote: "server space"
mediafire."


Haha, media fire doesn't except anything over 200mb

Quote: "Quote: "to my Beta testers, it sucks."
however you can fix that."


Made too many promises.

Quote: "Why do you have to pay expenses for what? sorry but i do not understand"


Servers.

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what servers Slayer267?
private servers?
are you using them for anything else?

more insight!!! ^^

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Quote: "Haha, media fire doesn't except anything over 200mb"


upload in parts. still free.

Quote: "Made too many promises."


maybe fixing the game will teach you not to make ridiculous promises.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 06:12
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Well, they are servers that I acquired after I got a partnership with Nermersysis (Or however you spell it)Enterprises.Its currently holding marketing information, my beta, and client softwares' and websites.

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Quote: "marketing information"


no need, if you're releasing free. just distribute everywhere.

Quote: "client softwares' and websites."


I thought your website was hosted on webs.com?

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 06:23
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Ahem - Nermersysis Enterprise... THEY HOST STUFF TOO.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 06:23
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so let them keep it for them, and you use free stuff.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 06:24
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Dude ive been working my butt off to get these servers!!!

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 06:24
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Slayer267 - I get the feeling you got yourself in a pickle ^^

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 06:26 Edited at: 24th Mar 2012 06:27
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Quote: "Slayer267 - I get the feeling you got yourself in a pickle ^^"


YES! Thank you!

Edit - Wait how do i get in a pickle?

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Just about to test will send email when done.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 06:30
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Yes sir.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 06:40
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Ok...

The load took for ever and crashed two times.... Fpsc just cnat handle this Really you should try using a more advanced program if you want to sell something comercially. I would recomend UDK as it is amazing I can show you how to make fpsc models UDK ready. Udk also has tons of tutorials and support.

Also your mission objective on the loading screen isnt very exciting or descriptive and the loading screen hurts my eyes. I would say release this one free and upload it to the site 4shared they will give you enough uploading room for free. Then create a more professional game in UDK The selling liscence for UDK im pretty sure is $99 and you sell up to 50,000 before Epic takes royaltys from you.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 06:43
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LOL A License for UDK is like 3000$

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 06:46 Edited at: 24th Mar 2012 06:46
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Really, sorry, but I couldn't care less...

I don't think any of us want to hear about you and your "companies" problems again Frankly it's just getting irritating.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 06:55
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yo anayar can you get on skype?

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 17:47
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No its not do your research.

http://www.udk.com/licensing

http://forums.epicgames.com/threads/864900-Problems-buying-UDK-Commercial-License

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 18:14
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How to import models to UDK Nlooc223?
I started to work in UDK and it's really good engine, so please tell us how to import FPSC models to UDK

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 20:06 Edited at: 24th Mar 2012 20:08
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If your game was panned by your beta testers, don't release it at all (yet).

Instead, take on board their criticisms, fix and improve the game and move on from there.

After all, that surely, is the whole point of having beta testers!

In the meantime (budget allowing), if you're still serious about your game, keep your servers/websites/web hosts or whatever. That way, you will still have them when your game is eventually ready for release.

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Sometimes you have to take your loses and move on. I've done it plenty of times already. However, I take what I learn and use it in the future.

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Beno9 Send me an email I'll tell you... It's actually quite simple.

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well, carnage productions isnt online. So I have no idea who created this game. The only reason I know who created Operation Defuse is because I am on the tgc forum. Otherwise, you need proof of quality gameplay. No videos of gameplay have been posted in the WIP thread. Has a propper a playable demo been release for download?

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^ There was a demo but it was lost due to the megaupload shutdown.

I took down the videos because well, they sucked. Lol

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Nlooc I sent email to you.

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Hey if you need a hand for someone to design a logo/site for Carnage Productions. I wont lie to you, since the first thread that was posted for Operation Defuse, the screenshots have improved a lot and I do like the outcome of what the game.

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Oh yeah, and the logo has been completely redone too.

You can see it on my facebook page here - CLICK!

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BENO I replyed

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Sorry for double post but your logo looks much better then before.

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I agree, the old one looked terrible!

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Yep but anyways...

The missions need to be more in depth

I mean this is basicly what you have

Run and shoot make it to the end and get a new mission.

What you need is like

You need to infiltrate (name) and retrieve (name) this information will allow us to further a mission to acomplish (name) be quick about it. Good luck.

For the background I would make a wood layer with a paper on it saying what the mission is then the loading sound can be a professional reading it as the map loads. Just a basic idea.

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Quote: "If your game was panned by your beta testers, don't release it at all (yet).

Instead, take on board their criticisms, fix and improve the game and move on from there.

After all, that surely, is the whole point of having beta testers!"


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Quote: "But then how will I pay of the expenses? Money doesn't grow on trees."


Well, I think, you should use all the money you made from selling the demo on CD. IIRC you were talking about it was selling really well and was incredibly popular.

Quote: "^ There was a demo but it was lost due to the megaupload shutdown. "


One of the people who bought the demo from you on CD must still has a copy of that CD. Also, how does megaupload shutting mean you no longer have the demo, surely you kept a copy on your own computer.

I guess, these are the sort of things you have to overcome as the CEO of carnage productions. If you release it for free, how are you going to pay all your employees? I feel your pain though, as one CEO to another sometimes you just have to take the losses and learn your lesson for next time.

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Quote: "One of the people who bought the demo from you on CD must still has a copy of that CD. Also, how does megaupload shutting mean you no longer have the demo, surely you kept a copy on your own computer.

I guess, these are the sort of things you have to overcome as the CEO of carnage productions. If you release it for free, how are you going to pay all your employees? I feel your pain though, as one CEO to another sometimes you just have to take the losses and learn your lesson for next time."


Not CEO, President.

I'll look in the created games history to see if there is one there.

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Ahem -
SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST Buuuuuuuuuuuut...

I have decided to redo some aspects of the game and sell it.

The Reason -
Been getting emails lately suggesting things to do.

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Sounds good to me just dont give up.

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Quote: "Not CEO, President."

Not sure if this is the booze or not but I can't stop laughing.

Sorry, I'm being mean. Good luck in your game production!

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Expences when developing games are really hard to overcome. Expences are everywhere. Just buying the Dev tool you're using is an expence, then maybe you'll need someone else to make media for the game or just buy something like a modelpack from TGC, the TGC store or elsewhere, another expence. Should you want to market yourself with a homepage and filehosting we have yet another expence.
Personally I am hoping that in the future I can do this fulltime and that's one expence more (I need to pay bills, food and roof over my head) I'm running my homepage where people can download my games for free and where donations are welcome. I cannot expect people to pay for my games since I'm still learning and don't know how to make sure the game works on most computers. If I sold them I would need to keep track of every order, and be prepared to give support to paying customers. This is impossible at the time being. But I think that even if you give away them for free it's always a good thing to market yourself and show that you exist.

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Well, We keep track of all this; just in case it is needed in court. It is managed in a filing cabnet with a copy in our servers.

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Sometimes given away a free demo is the way forward and good promo.

I would give a free demo away for free and see what feedback you get.

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Yeah, I guess I will compile a new demo.
The old one is lost but is in the Game History Bank in my X Drive.

The new one will be 2 levels

The first one which is a firing range,
and the second one which is a city.

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by X Drive you mean this place? http://www.xdrive.com/ ?


EDIT

For future readers, that site was already shut down at the time of posting this comment... hence the question...

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No, there is an X Drive which is a harddrive that I use for corp information.

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then why not just say harddrive...

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Because its the X Drive and it sounds cool

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