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FPSC Classic Product Chat / [LOCKED] Just discovered a major problem with FPSC patch 119

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Deathcow
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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 19:32 Edited at: 12th Apr 2012 19:40
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Well I guess I maybe misleading allot of people with the title. Well the major problem with 119 is not the software which for me works well. The problem I see is that we need the THANK Scene Commander for his time in which he invested for free to update FPSC. I realise that some still experience problems with the newest version, but we don’t have to use it.

So Thank you Scene Commander for your hard work and taking the time to listen to us users. Let’s hope you continue onto 120.

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I agree, this guy bent over backwards to accommodate everyone's requests and still had the job of trying to overcome bugs and obstacles which occurred from doing so.
Well done and good job, but dont try to do it all next time, concentrate on the important bits.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 20:32 Edited at: 12th Apr 2012 20:34
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third in the row. i love the new version, brings so much bonus to fpsc. the fact that you dont have to use it is something some people around here forgot in their argumentation against this update. if you dont need the new features and only look on performance, stay with 1.17 as the foxes do.
again: look into the beginning of the beta-thread. this update was mentioned to bring new commands and features from waspmod to vanilla, nothing else, not performance boost nor stability. and scene commander did a great job on implementing them.

thanks,scene.

(i remember the time arriving here, it was the end of beta 118 and all this lamentation around the new version was the same as now. when i look through the forums now 1 year later, there is only a very small minority that stayed with 117, most of us are happy with 118, and in a year same will happen to 119. you are right, guys, the basic code needs a rewrite, but that was not what scene had to do for 119. thats tgc´s work, if they will ever do it, depending on if the selling amount of this product again justifies to put money in. remember, all the updates are FOR FREE, so just a bonus. )

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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 21:58
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All Hail To Scene Commander!!

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Quote: "look into the beginning of the beta-thread. this update was mentioned to bring new commands and features from waspmod to vanilla, nothing else, not performance boost nor stability"


This is not 100% true waspmod main feature was performance boost over any of the other features.

Some of the new features where not even in waspmod and have been added to v1.19 only.

I wish to thank scene for his hard work in v1.19 and hope that he can fix a lot of the issues that are still there for v1.20.

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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 22:34 Edited at: 12th Apr 2012 22:37
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Quote: " if you dont need the new features and only look on performance, stay with 1.17 as the foxes do."


We're in v1.17 only because A) it does not have the GUIX9; B) it was easier for us to rewrite and organize the source; C) we still have 6 developments constructed in v1.17. We did port in some features from both v1.18 and v1.19, such as the variable system and the post process effects via scripts. We did not want to be too far behind.

Although we still are in our older version, we too thank Scene Commander for all his hard work and efforts to working on the FPSC engine source. Once we are able, we look forward to doing a development or two in v1.19 using your additional features.

[ADDED] We also would like to thank Flatlander for his hard work in helping to solve some of the issues with the work in v1.19 up to the final release. It is appreciated as well, and to any other people "behind the scenes".


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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 22:59
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Thanks Scene Commander - we all benefit from your skills, knowledge and dedication.

And thanks also to all the beta testers and the time they put in - knowing that they'll probably be frustrated somewhere during the process. And Flatlander, for jumping in and assisting where he saw the need.

We are indebted to you all.

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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 00:16
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Thanks Scene Commander for the amazing update!



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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 00:24 Edited at: 13th Apr 2012 00:29
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Quote: " the fact that you dont have to use it is something some people around here forgot in their argumentation against this update. if you dont need the new features and only look on performance, stay with 1.17 as the foxes do."


Wow what a lame argument. You don't need to use the latest version of the software just use older versions which work better. You should go and re-read my post about the updates to FPSC. I specifically made mention that I was in no way ragging on Scene Commanders work. BUT in saying that, there are clearly problems if it's better to use older updates rather than newer ones.

Quote: " look into the beginning of the beta-thread. this update was mentioned to bring new commands and features from waspmod to vanilla, nothing else, not performance boost nor stability."


That was another of my points. FPSC is not in a stable enough state, imo, to keep adding new features without first addressing some of it's more serious problems.

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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 17:02 Edited at: 13th Apr 2012 17:10
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yes, i agree for the lame argument, thraxas. but my mainpoint is: for ME, i have a performance-boost with 119 in finalgame of about 5 fps, WITH implemented some (many) of the new features against vanilla 118. when its not the case with yours, because of your system config or used media or complexity, stay with what you are happy with and whats working for you, its your choice. all versions after v1 are for free. seen the same on adobe after-effects wich has a really bad performance after cs2 on normal machines in exchange for hd-features and new effects (just an example).

@s4real: looking into beta-posting, scene commander said that the performance-features of waspmod would not be implemented into v119 by him because he didnt had the authorization of the original coder of that part of the mod. so the rewrite of the engine to get better performance was not in his hands, thats lee´s part, and i dont think he will do this without a future promise of selling a good amount of NEW copies of fpsc to justify this. even if this is more a familly-thing here, he still has to earn money for work because its a company. maybe scene commander is part of tgc, i dont know if he was paid for his work, but i have the feel that this isnt the case.

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@maho76 :- The fact is the performance code is in v1.19 from wasp but looking at the code some of it not been activated.

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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 17:51 Edited at: 13th Apr 2012 17:55
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Why has an opportunuity to thank SC for all his hard work, been turned into YET ANOTHER moaning session?

We get it, some people aren't happy with FPSC/1.19, MOVE ON FFS!!

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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 18:37
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Quote: " The fact is the performance code is in v1.19 from wasp but looking at the code some of it not been activated."


Maybe you'd like a command put in to activate the said unactivated command(s).

Quote: "Why has an opportunuity to thank SC for all his hard work, been turned into YET ANOTHER moaning session?"


It will always happen no matter what is done. You won't please everyone, so no point in worrying about it. Scene Commander knows he did a good job, and I'm certain Lee is happy otherwise it would not have been released. It is what it is.


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Yeah, thanks a lot Scene Commander, your work is extremely valuable to the FPSC community.

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Quote: "It will always happen no matter what is done. You won't please everyone, so no point in worrying about it. Scene Commander knows he did a good job, and I'm certain Lee is happy otherwise it would not have been released. It is what it is.
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The reason I felt I had to speak out is that the long-standing stability issues aren't SC's fault. I know people say that they're not criticising SC, but in that case, they should keep their negative comments out of a thread that was opened with the express purpose of thanking SC!

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Quote: "The reason I felt I had to speak out is that the long-standing stability issues aren't SC's fault. I know people say that they're not criticising SC, but in that case, they should keep their negative comments out of a thread that was opened with the express purpose of thanking SC!"


Perhaps the Foxes, X, rolfy, and the Penguins need to take control again?


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Quote: "Perhaps the Foxes, X, rolfy, and the Penguins need to take control again?"


The forums need moar penguins (and foxes and x's and rolfys and shopping lists and credit lists)!!

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Mr X leaned back in his over-sized office chair and wiped his brow with a slow backhand. Was the arduous task of reading forum threads growing more difficult with age or should he just move the stupid plant that stood between him and the monitor? Such a difficult decision should never be made before lunch. Instead, he grabbed his trusty fountain pen and jotted down a quick note.

Note to self...
Move the office plant after lunch.

Now, onto more pressing issues. The state of FPSC, in its current state, is no more or no less than exactly what you think it is, or think it should be, and as such it may, or may not be suitable for exactly what you may or may not use it for, and no more. Now, keeping that in mind, I also wish to thank Scene Commander for helping to make it as such.

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The conciseness of that most eloquent comment was mitigated by its lengthiness somewhat...

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The hitch-hiker's guide to FPSC 119 is called for, methinks, rather than a call to 911, which would be rather uncalled for.
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Quote: "The state of FPSC, in its current state, is no more or no less than exactly what you think it is, or think it should be, and as such it may, or may not be suitable for exactly what you may or may not use it for, and no more. Now, keeping that in mind, I also wish to thank Scene Commander for helping to make it as such."


Bet you had to look at this a couple times to make sure you had the wording just right. However, you are correct. Some never had the pleasure of experiencing the older versions, like the inability to save/load. I know it has it's flaws, but we do the best we can with what we have, and it certainly has come a long way.

There is always the alternative- going back to crayola crayons and paper instead of using the software.


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Yeah I'm a moaner at the moment but I do respect the work scene commander has done for the source.

Quote: "Maybe you'd like a command put in to activate the said unactivated command(s)."


When I get hold of scene I let him know what's missing being I'm the one who added some of the performance code in the first place.

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Quote: "Yeah I'm a moaner at the moment"


That would change, if you drank a little coffee instead of all that tea all the time.


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Hello all,

Thank you very much to Scene Commander his team and his other collaborators for the dauntless initiative taken in try to improve the product FPSC as well as all the hard work and time spent on this new release.

Furthermore, I think the questions addressed to Scene Commander, his team and his collaborators ought be seen as a normal thing after a new version has been released and not seen as a personal issue against them.

All the best,

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Quote: "Why has an opportunuity to thank SC for all his hard work, been turned into YET ANOTHER moaning session?

We get it, some people aren't happy with FPSC/1.19, MOVE ON FFS!!
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You know what... watch your tone! I come here every day and take up MY FREE TIME to: approve threads, delete spam (that you never see, unless one of the mods slips up and let's it through by mistake), deal with requests that people have made via email, reply to emails about this software and put up with absolute rubbish from particularly ungrateful people who don't like the way things have been dealt with.

If I want to moan about something then I have as much right as anyone else on these boards to do so. Take a look at my posting history, this is the first time I've had anything negative to say about FPSC. And I was here from the beginning of the software, I have been using it from the version 1 release, I chose not to buy the EA version. I used version 1 with no save/load, with the lighting system which meant I would have to leave my computer on overnight just to build games as the process took so long. I was here for Riker9 and empty's mod. I was using the software when merranvo was the king of scripting, when BenjaminA was creating great games and great scripts, when butterfingers was pushing boundries. So I've seen the highs and the lows of this software. And I will say without a shadow of a doubt that this "update" is a low.

Oh and for the record bruce, next time you use something like FFS, I'll noob slap you. Staring out swears isn't acceptable here and using abbreviations like that is not acceptable either. Don't tell me to move on from the software, and don't tell me I don't appreciate what we have now compared to where we came from, and definitely don't tell me that I should stick with older updates.

I champion this software to anyone I speak to. I don't very often get so passionate about something that I do that, but I am and I do. However, it's getting harder to do that: "Why would I use this over Unity or UDK, they're both free?", that's the response I get from people and it's getting harder to tell them to choose FPSC.

As this is an official update, I find it hard to believe that SC didn't get some form of compensation from TGC for this work. So until I hear otherwise, I will continue to believe that he did get paid something, and that is all the thanks he needs.

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I didn’t realise the strength of feeling about the latest version. It clearly has polarised the forum from the looks of it. When I opened this thread I only wished to thank someone who had put allot of work into an update for FPSC. Not to start a debate about how bad this update is, but it is safe to say it is not bad for everyone.

I worry that this will put other skilled programmers off from updating another version of FPSC. I only hope it does not. If I had the ability to update the source myself I would, but I have to depend on others like many on the FPSC forums to do it for me.

If it is possible to get this thread back on topic that would be great, but it looks like it’s on its way to being locked. I hope not.

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Posted: 14th Apr 2012 13:14 Edited at: 14th Apr 2012 13:27
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Quote: "I find it hard to believe that SC didn't get some form of compensation from TGC for this work. So until I hear otherwise, I will continue to believe that he did get paid something, and that is all the thanks he needs."


And I don't normally comment on things like this, but I received NO PAY for my work and gave up my FREE TIME and now find nasty little threads like this supported by a MOD

In my eyes this is nothing but evil. I'm so angry I don't think I can express myself.
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Quote: "In my eyes this is nothing but evil. I'm so angry I don't think I can express myself."


I'm sorry scene but I support anyone who going to make the engine stable and better performance. It's ok for the odd few saying the engine fine for me but thats no good if you want to release a game with multi machines that have bugs and problems.

We all thank you for your time you spent on fpsc in your spare time but this version just don't work for many people and thats just not good.

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how can one revert back to 1.18 without totally re-installing from scratch?

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If I want to moan about something then I have as much right as anyone else on these boards to do so. Take a look at my posting history, this is the first time I've had anything negative to say about FPSC. And I was here from the beginning of the software, I have been using it from the version 1 release, I chose not to buy the EA version. I used version 1 with no save/load, with the lighting system which meant I would have to leave my computer on overnight just to build games as the process took so long. I was here for Riker9 and empty's mod. I was using the software when merranvo was the king of scripting, when BenjaminA was creating great games and great scripts, when butterfingers was pushing boundries. So I've seen the highs and the lows of this software. And I will say without a shadow of a doubt that this "update" is a low. "


Congratulations, give yourself a medal.

Quote: "I'll noob slap you"


Go for it, I won't stop speaking my mind just because some people can't handle it.

Quote: "Don't tell me to move on from the software"


I didn't, I was talking about moving on from the moaning.

Quote: "And I don't normally comment on things like this, but I received NO PAY for my work and gave up my FREE TIME and now find nasty little threads like this supported by a MOD

In my eyes this is nothing but evil. I'm so angry I don't think I can express myself. "


Well said SC, you will ALWAYS have my 100% support, and I will ALWAYS speak my mind to reflect that fact, no matter what the consequences are for myself...

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Quote: "In my eyes this is nothing but evil. I'm so angry I don't think I can express myself."


I'm afraid there are few words to make you feel better about this, but the sour truth of it all is that what you're seeing is called "competition". We all see it from time to time, we all deal with it, and even though it makes some of us angry, what are you going to do about it?

If you're going to moan about it, I don't think you can call yourself any better than those that moan about your update to FPSC.

There is nothing "evil" about what hockeykid did. How many modders have done this to Lee? Did he think it was evil? No. He recognized that they were just helping him out. Instead of getting angry about it, he (eventually) invited many to contribute to FPSC directly. Why don't you do the same?


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Competition, as you call it, is good now and again- there is nothing wrong with that at all. It is how all of this is playing out that is polarizing members here. It is almost like walking on eggshells in some threads. What is this- a game creation community, or a school yard where we have the "groups" of people forming up to see who is bigger or better?

Certain egos need to drop. This forum use to be enjoyable, but it is starting to turn into one of those "you have to belong to this group or you're not noticed" kind of places. If the people involved with the coding of the source can't get along on a public forum, then maybe Lee is better off getting people outside of the community to work on it. Then we can dispense with all this childish behavior- from all involved.

Honestly, if more time was spent working on developments and less on drawing lines in the sand or the battle of egos in posts, some people may actually get ahead, or we'd actually see a lot more completed developments from this group.


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Quote: "Go for it, I won't stop speaking my mind just because some people can't handle it."


I can handle anything you throw at me, on the list of people who have given me hassles you're pretty insignificant, but don't try and get around the swear policy. You won't be moderated for disagreeing with me but you will for doing that. I won't stop speaking MY mind about how I feel about the update, my opinion is different than your...move on.

Quote: "And I don't normally comment on things like this, but I received NO PAY for my work and gave up my FREE TIME and now find nasty little threads like this supported by a MOD

In my eyes this is nothing but evil. I'm so angry I don't think I can express myself."


No you don't normally comment at all, on anything negative, which I suppose I should commend for you but, to me, it feels like you're ignoring the people who want to use your update but can't because it doesn't work properly for them. Well thank you for using your free time to create the update. It's not working well for me, I have performance decreases and other problems, are you going to address those problems for me? No...I didn't think so as you haven't responded to any of my comments about it, or even asked if there is anything you can do. But everything is good as long as it works for the majority, right?

That thread is not evil. Someone is trying to make a version of 1.19 that works for those of us that the official update doesn't work for. I'm not the only one it doesn't work properly for, just the most vocal. If you would like I can forward some of the emails, I have received talking about how the update doesn't work but people are too afraid to post their comments in this open forum for fear of attacks from people.

Quote: "Certain egos need to drop."


Not sure if this is directed at me, but this is certainly not me trying to be a big ego. Something doesn't work as intended and I made a comment about it. That it has blown up into something bigger is because other people can't handle that I was negative.

I agree that the community is nowhere near as good as it used to be but that certainly isn't because of me or my ego. It's because all the good members moved onto different software because FPSC didn't give them what they needed.

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Quote: "Not sure if this is directed at me, but this is certainly not me trying to be a big ego."


My comments were not directed at you, Thraxas. You are a moderator here and (out of respect for your position) if I have an issue with you, I would PM you instead of posting in an open forum for debate.

My comments were a generalization, from a company entity that use this product and have successfully made good money off developments, and enjoy some of the things and ideas that people come up with, or the knowledge that is passed around. I and my wife could care less who is doing what, or who can do better than who. I just think that for certain people involved, a little bit of professionalism and tact would be a good start instead of the ruffled feathers and wounded egos to take hold.


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Ok sorry about that then, my bad. This genuinely isn't about ego for me, or wanting to be right, or wanting people to agree with me. It's wanting the best for this piece of software that I have used for 6 years and enjoy using.

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Quote: "the list of people who have given me hassles"


PMSL If my two comments are what constitutes 'hassle', then that list must be very long indeed!!!

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The Zombie Killer
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I know how you feel. I have no problem with v119. The only problems that I've complained about are not your fault. And I wouldn't expect them to be fixed, because v119 was directed at porting over wasp, which, in my opinion, you did very well.

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Posted: 15th Apr 2012 04:35 Edited at: 15th Apr 2012 04:38
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Quote: "are not your fault."


And that right there is the exact reason why I felt I needed to speak out. The long term stability/performance issues aren't SC's fault.

His remit was to post over WASP, which he did, and as a bonus, he was kind enough to have added extras in accordance with people's requests.

Should so many new features have been added to an already 'unstable' (for some users anyway) engine? Maybe, maybe not, but the point is, SC did exactly what was asked of him (and then some).

Personally I don't blame him for not responding to people's constant complaints. Why should he fix a problem that was not of his making in the first place? Sure, he could have done out of generosity, but it would have added to his already heavy workload (he does, afterall have other things to do outside of FPSC).

Now I'm going to end with an apology to Thraxas for my earlier snide comments (which I have left unedited). However, I stand by everything else I've said about SC and 1.19.

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This needs to be locked now.

This is going the wrong way and you all should of kept your negative comments to yourself. The people that have been just complaining obviously don't know how to appreciate anything. He worked harded on this just as a favor and many of you have to complain? How about you try to do the next fpsc update Thraxas and spend your free time and work on it. Then when its out i'll complain and say its not good enough. No offence but Thraxas you are not being a good mod.

Thraxas the things you said in this thread made probably made scene commander upset. You really should apologize. I'm sick of some of these mods around here being strict on everyone else and then they think they can go around and post like thraxas did its just wrong. (Most of the mods here are good) But if anyone should be slapped it should be you thraxas.

This thread needs to be locked now before some people get banned.

Anyways thank you scene commander for your work because of the new commands you made availble great packs will come from it for example TZK's 3rd person script pack.

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Posted: 15th Apr 2012 05:03 Edited at: 15th Apr 2012 05:06
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I have as much right to post as anyone NIlooc, and if I am unhappy I can vent my frustration. Just as everyone else does. Negative comments are allowed on these forums. They are an open discussion board, none of what I wrote is against the AUP. The update doesn't cut it for me, so what should I do? Just accept that and carry on as if everything is great or let the person who coded it know that I'm not impressed. I would have posted the same comments if Lee had coded it. Scene Commander has already stated that he's working on something else, and that anything that needs fixing will have to wait for 1.20. So the OFFICIALLY released update doesn't work for some people, but there's no fixes in sight. You're right, I should be happy with that.

I'm sick of lots of the users here thinking that mods shouldn't have an opinion.

And all these comments which go the way of 'most of the mods here'... I couldn't care less if you think I'm being a bad mod. I don't hide behind my mod badge and slap and ban without comment. You KNOW if I have banned or slapped you, and you know why. It's funny, the mods who don't comment but still ban/slap people and don't express any opinions are all great, but the mods who do what they do and do it openly are rubbish.

Quote: "The people that have been just complaining obviously don't know how to appreciate anything. He worked harded on this just as a favor and many of you have to complain? How about you try to do the next fpsc update Thraxas and spend your free time and work on it."


Cool bananas. I see you complaining about the moderating I do, you clearly don't know how to appreciate anything. I work hard on moderating just as a favor to many and you have to complain? How about you try and moderate the forums on a daily basis and spend your free time and work on it!

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Posted: 15th Apr 2012 05:18 Edited at: 15th Apr 2012 05:21
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Quote: "Thraxas the things you said in this thread made probably made scene commander upset. You really should apologize. I'm sick of some of these mods around here being strict on everyone else and then they think they can go around and post like thraxas did its just wrong. (Most of the mods here are good) But if anyone should be slapped it should be you thraxas."


I highly doubt Thraxas made Scene Commander upset. It was most likely the other thread title that has appeared- "v1.19 Proper". It is a dig at the current release, just as snide comments had appeared on Google Code. This bickering and cat-fighting between the various coders and users is now spilling into the forum and the community it going to become dysfunctional.

The mods here do an excellent job. Sometimes they come across a bit arrogant, but it is not their role to be your buddy. They do their job, and are human just like the rest of us. Funny how the mods get blamed for user action and comments.

Disclaimer: I said they come across a bit arrogant, meaning that is how their comments are interpreted by some users, particularly those that never have been a moderator before. I already know I can be arrogant, but that is courtesy of my age and experience.


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Okay good point BlackFox I understand. I also agree about what you said making the community dysfunctional. But overall I like this update it brought great new features sure it got a bit messy but hey it also brought some improvements.

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The problem here is that this particular thread was for folks to thank SC for the hard work he did do, by airing complaints about the result is sure to cause raised feelings among people as its not appropriate to do here as these have already been addressed in other threads.
What gets me is comparisons being made to others who have also contributed their skills and work and who never had this kind of negative response to deal with. I can get it that some are very disappointed with v1.19 but lets face it, its better to say whats up and let them fix it for future versions, we have always had complaints about performance and bugs in FPSC from way back but never seen things get so heated about it.
The real issue here is that v1.19 should never have been officially released as it is and more time should have been spent fixing any issues found by users who took the time to test the beta, after all thats what beta's are for and if you dont listen to those who test it then why have beta's in the first place. There were too many requests for camera features and such like without dealing with performance etc which caused this to drag on beyond deadlines for release.
The only thing SC is guilty of is pandering to those who wanted FPSC to suit their vision rather than the user base as a whole and instead of trying to implement features they should have stuck to getting things stable first and ignored all requests.
Maybe we need to realize that lessons could be learned from all this and move on, I will wait till the next official release before passing judgement.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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You know a major problem I have with FPSC?
It's that on V1.19 my $499 current generation graphics card WILL NOT run a game I create with optimal performance, it's that my $200 processor (And those who paid $900 for the intel counter-part) will not run FPSC. It’s that all the other parts in my game development ready computer WILL NOT run FPSC. This is clearly not a hardware problem; it’s clearly a problem that happened since V1.18.

My problem is that we have not heard anything from the company, nothing from the creator, and lead programmer of the engine. It’s that, like Thraxas has pointed out, we cannot build on our passion for game design or passion on the continued use of FPSC. Sure there are other options out there, but we started with this engine. This is the engine we payed for, this is the engine we want to use.

And while we are all at it, I would like to extend thanks to SC and FL as well, for making some of the people here happy. I however am not happy, like other people. This update is the downfall of this engine imho. I don’t care if you’re compensated or not SC, I don’t. And while your old mod I tested was a good optional thing to use, I do not know you, or your skill set, even if others do.

As I see it, since 1.18 the engine won’t run on any configuration of hardware of software I throw at it. From Intel or AMD. From AMD to Nvidia. How am I supposed to sell a product that’s maps are as big as a modern day bathroom and run 23FPS on an Nvidia GTX 680? Worse yet on an ATI 6970… How am I supposed to expect paying customers to even be able to play a game on an older dual core processor?

It’s all fine and dandy; I can just fix the things I think I need to. The problem is it’s already stressful to code your own mod, now I have to literally dive into your code just to get some of the new features, I’d rather not.

Thraxas was right imo, this is a very low point for FPSC. This update imo needs and Exterminatus. Again, I thank you for making some people here happy. There are those of us that are not, instead of “Expressing your anger because of a mod that wants to fix performance” actually respond to the people who are having a problem and offer to fix these things. We did tell you the problems in the beta thread, and everyone went ahead to release the patch anyway. Disappointing, it’s very disappointing.
These are my opinions, and with that being said, I don’t expect anyone to agree with me or side with me. Don’t like it? Fine I really don’t care. I’m going back to my mod now.

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If a MOD could lock this thread.

I think this thread has run its course. If users are having problems with 119 then I would advise to start your own thread to get them addressed and not hijack someone else who is trying to thank.

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