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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Where Can I Find the Full Version of Signs?

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Dark_Scorpion
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I found a demo version of Signs here on the forum, but it shows water marks every time I add a sign to my scene. Where can I find the full version of Signs that is water mark free? I've seen threads here but so far every link shown is broken.
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Posted: 2nd Jun 2012 06:06
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I'm sorry to report that the maker of Signs, TScwartz, is no longer selling it. At one time he allowed another member of the forums to sell it for him but he no longer has his website that contained free media plus a couple of other applications for sell. Norther Media has all of the free media, however, available.

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2012 06:52
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Quote: "Norther Media has all of the free media"


Hmmmm, appears we have competition finally.


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Posted: 2nd Jun 2012 07:16 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2012 07:20
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I meant Northern Fox Media.

My wireless keyboard needs new batteries and the last letter so often is dropped. I should have remembered the Fox however.

Addendum:

Oh, and I don't have to give the link because BlackFox responded right on cue.

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2012 17:51
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I'm checking out the Northern Media website. Are there any other apps that allow you to make custom signs? I can't find any on the site.
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Posted: 2nd Jun 2012 18:44
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Quote: "Are there any other apps that allow you to make custom signs?"


There was Firma. First post has the download.


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Posted: 2nd Jun 2012 21:10 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2012 23:18
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I'm really glad FIRMA is still available. If you have Win7 then you will need to change the path settings on startup of FIRMA as FPSC is not in "C:\Program Files\The Game Creators\FPS Creator" but in "C:\Program Files (x86)\The Game Creators\FPS Creator".

Darkfoil has also given us a link to mediafire for this. Actually Nickeydude provided the link in the same thread as BlackFox had given. There is also a newer version, 2.2.

FIRMA. - As provided by NickeyDude.

BlackFox, if you can get a hold of Darkfoil (he does not have an email address in his profile) perhaps he will allow you to put it on your website. I would be pretty sure he would.

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Maybe NickyDude has Darkfoil's email?

Addendum #2:

The installer for v2.2 will not update v2.0 and I do not know where v2.1 can be found.

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2012 23:16 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2012 23:17
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I sent an email to NickyDude asking if he could get a hold of Darkfoil so he could answer this question about the installer of v2.2.

Hi Darkfoil,

I had installed v2.0 of FIRMA. I then downloaded v2.2 and tried to update. First of all it is saying that it is an update to v2.1 when I believe we have only v2.0. That may not matter though. Here is the error message when trying to update the firma.exe file.



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Posted: 3rd Jun 2012 00:00 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2012 00:08
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Quote: "BlackFox, if you can get a hold of Darkfoil (he does not have an email address in his profile) perhaps he will allow you to put it on your website. I would be pretty sure he would."


We tried to fid a way to reach Darkfoil, and even had tried to contact Nickydude about requesting permission to post it on our site. Unfortunately, our attempts fell at the wayside. At least it is on the forum.

Quote: "I had installed v2.0 of FIRMA. I then downloaded v2.2 and tried to update. First of all it is saying that it is an update to v2.1 when I believe we have only v2.0. That may not matter though. Here is the error message when trying to update the firma.exe file."


You need to install the update v2.1 first before running the v2.2 update. We have both updates, so perhaps that is why we never saw that message.


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Posted: 3rd Jun 2012 03:15
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V2.1 is a download in NickyDude's thread that you gave. It's just a matter of trying to find it. I would link it right to that post but I don't know how to create the URL. I know how to get to a page number but not a post number.

Just look for a download button in one of Darkfoil's posts. It's toward the bottom and on page 1.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2012 03:40
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Quote: "Just look for a download button in one of Darkfoil's posts. It's toward the bottom and on page 1."


Update v2.1 post and download

Quote: "I know how to get to a page number but not a post number."


When you find the post, look at the right of the box of that post. There is a Facebook icon, link, and toggle. If you right-click on link, you can "copy link location". You highlight the text in your post to "link", and use the link location you copied.


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Posted: 3rd Jun 2012 03:52
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Thanks BlackFox, I knew it would be something easy.

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I downloaded FIrma, installed it, and when I try to run it I'm getting a "Runtime Error 8003" error. How do you fix this? Can someone explain it in layman's terms? I tried installing the patch and that won't even work.
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2012 06:44
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What's your OS?

Did you install v2.1 patch first before patch v2.2?

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2012 06:50
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Nevermind guys, I figured it out. You have to change the path settings, I finally got it to work.
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Now I'm having trouble trying to create a custom sign with Firma. Why can't I load custom images into the software? I click on the button next to the texture windows, which opens folders on my computer, but when I put an image in the folder, Firma never shows the image, nor can I select and load it into the software....what gives?
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2012 07:01
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Aww, I got it. You have to select the folder the images are in, rather than the actual image.
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2012 07:23
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I've created a sign in Firma. Now how do I add it to buildings and walls in FPSC? I don't see my sign available in the editor; with the Signs program any signs you make are immediately uploaded and available within the editor, how do I find signs I create with Firma?
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Firma says that it is saving my signs to the entity bank in my FPSC folder, in a folder called Firma. But......when I go and open my FPSC folder, I see absolutely no folder in the entitybank called Firma.
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2012 07:58
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Click on settings and make sure that all the paths are correct. If you are using win7 they all will be in "program files (x86)" and not "program files".

I am not having in problems with this so I can't tell you for sure what you might be doing wrong.

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Flatlander, all the paths are correct, I've checked them over and over again. The fact of the matter is that Firms is not as good as Signs, compared to Signs it is crap. It has 8003 errors when installing, the paths don't work, I tried adding a sign I created in Firma to a building and, when testing, it the sign doesn't even show.

The Signs program is simple and easy to use. No stupid 8003 errors or path issues. But, the genius who created it decided to discontinue selling it.........hmm. I guess Steve Jobs should have discontinued the Iphone after it became a hit, that makes a lot of business sense. I'd rather pay for Signs than get Firma for free, Firma is complete crap, bug ridden and not simple to use at all.
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2012 17:06
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I answered this in the Bug section...

We have the "Firma" folder located in our entitybank. We use it quite a bit, both on Win 7 and Vista.

When you install Firma or the updates, did you right click on the file and "Run as Administrator"? Some systems require this, if you are installing in the C:\Program Files folder, or your FPSC is located in the same folder. This ensures a proper installation. You also may need to do the same for the "exe" that launches Firma. The software works fine- it is an issue with the OS, permissions and access to the folder(s) in question if using the c:\Program Files location.


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Posted: 3rd Jun 2012 21:46
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BlackFox, I had gotten the email address to Darkfoil from nickydude but he used it last in 2007. So it may not work. I went ahead and sent him an email with a request to get permission from him to put FIRMA on your website.

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Blackfox, I did exactly what you said. I reinstalled the software and update, this time as an administrator. Once I installed Firma and the update, I tried searching for the Firma folder again under paths......and there is nothing in the entity bank once again.

Signs is just better than Firma. I had no trouble installing it on my computer, you shouldn't have to jump through this many hoops to install a piece of software. If it was well made its designers should have programmed it to deal with the various issues of Windows 7/Vista. Why does Signs work so well? Because its programmers know what they're doing.....
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So you guys are telling me that no one here has a copy of Signs 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 despite the fact that the software was being promoted here for like three years straight? Come on, give me a break.

I read older threads and Signs II without watermarks was offered for free by the creator. Yet nowhere here on the forums or the Internet can I find it. Firma would be a great alternative.....if it installed all the folders in the proper directories......like every other software program.

I'm becoming resigned to the reality that I may need to build my entire game without any signs. So be it, my game will succeed either way. It is just weird developing a computer game with no signs in it.
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Blackfox, I finally got it to work! Thanks man. I don't know what happened, I checked the folders and again and the Firma folders started showing. Then when I started up FPSC, I could see Firma under entity bank. I just put in a sign I created and it is working. Just when I thought I would never get it to work, it worked.
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Posted: 4th Jun 2012 18:59
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Quote: "Blackfox, I finally got it to work! Thanks man. I don't know what happened, I checked the folders and again and the Firma folders started showing. Then when I started up FPSC, I could see Firma under entity bank. I just put in a sign I created and it is working. Just when I thought I would never get it to work, it worked. "


Good. With some applications that create folders in FPSC, you sometimes have to close FPSC first, run the application (such as Firma), do one sign or something, save, then reopen FPSC for the folder to appear.

Otherwise glad it is working.


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@ Dark_Scorpion.

10/10 for perseverance lol.
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So, Darkfoil, can BlackFox put FIRMA up on his website for download? It has been and still is a very worthwhile application.

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Yes but only if it is made clear that I will not be providing any support for it.
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Quote: "So, Darkfoil, can BlackFox put FIRMA up on his website for download? It has been and still is a very worthwhile application."


Quote: "Yes but only if it is made clear that I will not be providing any support for it. "


@ Darkfoil,

We are happy to post this application on our site to accompany the other FPSC tools we have there. It is a good application and it is no bother for us to post it so it can be found with ease. We will also ensure the updates are with the main application so everything is together.

Also, as far as support, I don't mind answering the questions that are asked. We use it regularly in XP, Vista, and Win 7. We can help others out that need it, and if we don't have the answer, I'm certain other forum members that use it will.


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Posted: 6th Jun 2012 03:10 Edited at: 6th Jun 2012 03:11
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@Darkfoil, The only reason I was trying to get a hold of you was to get your permission and not for you to support it. As you can see by this thread we were trying to support it by helping and encouraging Dark_Scorpion.

I know you feel, because it is still your "baby", somewhat responsible for the program. As far as programming support. It will be as is so no need to update the program. It works very well for what most people would want to do. I hope that you understand this.

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@ Flatlander

Yeah understood. I don't know how many people actually use Firma I just know that most of the posts I have seen concerning it are to report problems. I don't know why some people have trouble with it, it works fine on my three computers all of which have different specs and operating systems.

I originally wrote it just for my own use but when I decided to release it to the fpsc community I tried to re-write the code so that it would work on any system. Apparently I failed. Initially I did try to help sort out any problems people were having, with limited success, but it was starting to take up too much of my time. Also some people seemed to forget that the program was free and got quite abusive when I couldn't help which is why I stopped posting on the forums and decided to let Firma die a peaceful death.

I just don't want to end up in that situation again. I hope that you can understand this.
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I understand what you are saying. I have written an application called FPI EditPad which is in the script forum. I have an open thread that is stickied and also, this program is available through the FPSC website download page. I will try to support it but if I don't have time I just don't answer an issue or if it is not relevant I don't. However, there are people who will oblige to help out. Also, I wrote RPGmod. Ched80 is now more responsible for it and I don't really answer the questions that often. But, if you don't want it to be more available as it is I won't debate you anymore. Versions 2.0 and 2.1 are still available on the forums as they were uploaded to the TGC forums website and you still have 2.0 and 2.2 available on mediafire.

Have a great day and sorry to have bothered you.

BTW, I have Windows 7 64 bit and it works fine on my computer. It's mainly a problem with the operator of the program and not necessarily the program itself.

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It's no bother Flatlander. Like I said I'm happy to let BlackFox host it, I just wont be providing any support.
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Oh, that's great. I missed that part of allowing BlackFox to host it. Thanks. This is still a great contribution to the community. BTW, I'm surprised your still up. Unless your not currently in Spain. It should be like 3:30 in the morning.

See ya around.

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@ Darkfoil,

Posted on our site. Firma has a permanent presence now. Thank you for your permission.

@ Flatlander,

Thank you for getting the ball rolling on this.


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Your welcome. This is a good program and I hated to see it disappear, again.

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Hi

Quote: "I stopped posting on the forums and decided to let Firma die a peaceful death."


Little did Darkfoil know Firma was alive and being used everywhere. Often when I download media I see the assets were placed in the Firma folder by the creator. Long may it survive!

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