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Flamertor
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This is going to be a MMORPG which have a different approach to it than others do. This isn't a money making idea but it’s a game I’ve been wanting to make since I was around the age of 6 so it’s a great deal to me but please feel free to cretic is a lot because I want it to be the best it can be. This is in an early stage at the moment and have a heck of a lot until it finished so don’t judge to harsh yet. The game is called the Scrolls of Eithador : The Great War and each player will be able to have their own group of troops, massagers, scouts, knights etc which they will command. The game also don’t have any grinding or any needless chores in game like in WoW were you have to kill like 50 enemies to complete a quest. In fact there are no levels or quest(kinda) in the game. The aim of the game is to rule Ashguard but there is a total of ten factions in game making it so you can be attacked from any angle. Each of the factions are ruled over by a King which is one of the players. The players become king by having a vote and each player who have sworn allegiance to the faction can vote or be voted to be king but not everyone vote is worth the same. The worth of your vote is done by how much reputation you got which is increased through nearly everything you do in the game from crafting to fighting. Sorry went on a bit there but here the veido

P.S this is not my channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbDfIXdkxyE&feature=plcp

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Posted: 16th Jul 2012 21:23 Edited at: 16th Jul 2012 21:23
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Quote: "massagers"


This game sounds great already [not seen the links yet]

Cons:

Quote: "THIS VIDEO WAS BOUGHT TO YOU BY"


Sheesh...

Do not even feel like watching any further...

Textures are stretched way too much...

Menu text is not very readable...

Pros:

Is that Dark Clouds I see? I guess you used minimal cloud cover to get it in speed, well done there![ weird thing is you still got a blue background so its not DC is it? looks like something out of eXtends...

Moving on

I didn't like the awkward crouching and lying down it made me feel weird... stick to the usual RPG elements, its not MGS...

I admire the idea of adding other Elements but you will quickly move this away into Action RPG... which will leave you in quite a muddle...

I look forward to seeing more of this project however.... and also I suggest you get your own YouTube channel as this one clearly sucks... and my eyes were about to bleed with all the skewing and stretching at random...

Do not let your immaturity show through, even if this is a personal project and you said its not for commercial money making but i did see the BUY button on there... so you must at all times keep it professional otherwise you are just wasting your time and other peoples time... and that will not bode well for you in the end.

[looks at Facebook link...] I remember this project now... why start a new thread on it?

[from Twitter]

Quote: "Isaac Mulcahy ‏@IMTheGameRunner
The MMorpg is coming on well and i have nearly mastered the complex climbing programming for it<don't forget this>, hope you look forwards to it!!!!!"


Keep the grammar clean...

If you need any further scrutiny, You know where to ask

[In his defence Nobody nor I is perfect in grammar but still simple mistakes show very clearly]

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Forgot to say, Hope that helped

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Posted: 16th Jul 2012 22:17
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I don't want to post non-constructively... So I can't tell you how I really feel.

But you lost me at MMORPG.

Wouldn't a game with sort of concept be better done in a toolset like nwn or nwn2?
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Posted: 16th Jul 2012 22:53 Edited at: 16th Jul 2012 23:12
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thanks for the reponsce (sorry for the bad spelling, I check it in microsoft word 99% of the time).

The Clouds - You were correct about it being Dark clouds i just used the setting from the example code on the page to buy it.

Crouching + prone - This is to give entrances to castles and allows you to have epic chances through the cities becuase you pickpockit anyone anywhere and kill anyone anywhere, also it will allow players to sneak into enemy towns and hide from gaurds or assissanite.

Vid - Yea it is a bit anyoing that bit.

Buying - Yea i want to improve the stuff like the a better server or more people to improve the game, better website, support me later on etc so it isn't for becoming rich. But I will try to be more professional but i am dieslixic so there is the odd muck up so... (ot using it as an excuss)

New thread - well I didn't think much people saw it and i have a vid now so i thought i would restart the thread kinda thing

P.s I would love some more scrutiny

Thanks for the reply and the time you taken to comment plus watch


GregA:

Hi what is nwn

About it being a MMORPG it is so the players can effect the world and make it how they want, a faction could become like the ones in Game of thrones or a more staight forwards and just work together and all the quest are made by the king plus players can make there own newspapers and stuff which wouldn't work in a single player game

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Posted: 16th Jul 2012 23:05 Edited at: 16th Jul 2012 23:19
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Fixed [Placed in code for future reference]

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Posted: 16th Jul 2012 23:12
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thanks MrValentine

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Posted: 16th Jul 2012 23:23 Edited at: 16th Jul 2012 23:59
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Hmm NWN is Neverwinter Nights, clearly you have not played any of the legendary games out there ...

I am coming on into my mid 20's and can say you have missed out on a lot of old gems seeing you mention GoT made me feel like your sense of inspiration is missing key ingredients...

To do what you are suggesting, you are mixing up Assasins Creed with Metal Gear Solid...

Do not get me wrong I admire your efforts and have been following your work for some time [These new threads kinda help reinforce that lol] and think you are going somewhere, I mean wow Courching and Crawling sweet!

I must ask, are you keeping your code clean and modular? and commented, as if not you will pretty much cause yourself to drop the entire project half way... and that would be a real shame...

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Typo in bold

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Posted: 16th Jul 2012 23:43
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Wow, don't mean to by cynical, but it looks like Bioware has killed off NWN and NWN2 in order to promote their F2P and P2P games...

I will spill a beer to mourn the loss of these great games...
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Posted: 17th Jul 2012 00:04 Edited at: 17th Jul 2012 00:05
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I personally dislike this socalled FREE FP2 stuff...

Its kinda deceptive as they never say

It is free but you get the limited experience unless you pay for random crap...

and then they are literred with random advertising to add more injury to the mix...

Either make a game paid for for cheap and then add the store stuff or just dont make it free at all...

I am happy to pay £5 for a random game play it for a bit and say good stuff I had fun and you can keep the fiver [English slang word] and make a better game next time...

Instead of Paying £60 million for a shoddy game I never got to sample in the first place and being angry after it all...

Can you see the differences?

haha... Zen is a beautiful thing... [ZenBound is also a fun game for five minutes...]

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Long story short, Don not fall down that path with this project...

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Yeah, put me in the group of people that would rather buy a small indy game off of some service like Steam, or PlayStore without all the advertising bits and F2P bits.

It seems like you could have tasteful product placement in games, the way they do on TV. I dunno why we dont see more of that.

I am an episodic game junkie. Why not more episodic games?

But then we live in a world where people will pay MORE for Battlefield Premium than they would pay for the game and all the DLC, so what do I know?
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Posted: 17th Jul 2012 00:50 Edited at: 17th Jul 2012 00:53
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Well i was thinking of keeping it a sperate to the game as i can so no ads in the game world like LOTRO were at the end of a quest you points for the store or a item from the store. The store will be simple things which don't restrict the things in game so you don't have to buy them it kinda like saying thanks to me insead and being given something in return. E.g like a cheap boost which increase the speed of ure messageners by 5% for 3hrs for 50p or something. I hate the f2p style which you were talking about. I need to get off as well it school tommrow for me

edit : I have play NWN never seen it appraviated though

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Ok.. before I start with my 2 cents, I would like to point out something: I personally have yet to release a game, even though I am working on it. However, I have been a gamer for more years than I will admit on here, so I do have some insight to offer.

First, I think anyone willing to take the time to make a game is admirable.. it consumes your days. However, out of the box, I would not strive to create a MMORPG. You could attempt for a multiplayer game, complete with servers and a player cap, but shooting for an MMO right away will be your downfall. I do not say that to be mean, nor do I say that to demean your skills. MMO gamers are picky, and needy (I know, I am one lol). If you do not get things EXECTLY as they want them to be, you will be continuously re-writing much of your game to satisfy your playerbase. Plus, once you get a bad rep with gamers, it is all downhill from there. Now that being said, you will never make everyone happy... thats the catch.

As far as the game footage shown, there are likes and dislikes that I have. I like the idea of a first person game.. I personally am working on one myself. Some of my dislikes involve the artwork for one. In my honest opinion, you should take time and get your GUI straight, as well as some spit and polish on your modeling. The textures are stretched, the buildings could use some fine tuning. If I were you, I would focus on cleaning up the graphics a lot before moving on with the game mechanics, especially if you want to show it off in stages. It is time consuming, but worth it in the end to have a crisp and clean interface and decent looking models.

I also agree with the others, I would not even try to adapt for a store for the game until you are much further along. I understand that resources, hosting, and time invested is all about money. But you are focusing on step W when you should still be polishing up step A.

Clean it up a lot.. rethink the idea of an open MMO, and consider a server capped with X amount of players only. I will keep an eye on the project, you have the heart and potential... just do not rush yourself.

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Quote: "But then we live in a world where people will pay MORE for Battlefield Premium than they would pay for the game and all the DLC, so what do I know? "


That ended me playing anything EA based and have removed Origin as well as BF3...

I dislike anything that devides people and that frankly devided gamers...

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Hi Big Dog Game Studios

Well the this game dosn't really work well if it isn't a MMORPG becuase of the scale of it mainly that the reason why I set myself to do this and I think I will be able to handle all the code tweaking and everything becuase it is quite well organized and have not used a single gosub or goto and it have got alot of Rem to allow me to go through quickly finding each part of it.

Frist Game - well this isn't my first game I have made but it is the one I am going to spend the most time on at of them all plus my coding have greatly improved from it as well and I have become confindent with my programming becuase i learnt over half of a new one in about 2 hours (Lua) which I find quite impressive. If you want to see my other games go on the link to my website ( http://imthegamerunner.moonfruit.com/ ) I hope you enjoy. These were made using a older version of darkbasic pro which was just called Darkbasic so the engine wasn't as good.

Grahpics - well that was not to high on my list atm becuase I could improve them whiste the game is out and give it a face lift etc over time but the machincs of the game I think is the most important becuase they are what make the game enjoyable in my option. There no point in making it look nice if the core of it is terrible becuase they just dashing people hopes for the game.

P.s thanks for the reponce and please tell me more about your feeling on the game.

Everyone else:

I would also like to ask everyone how I would do the scared kinda effect in Amnesia whic you can see in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ggb_0DGlsc (about 11 mins in)
I would love this for the player to have to deal with and they will get less scared from them the more the fight and see them.

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Hi everyone news! My game shoul be ready to go into open beta in around/before 30 days! So sign up at my website http//:www.imthegamerunner.moonfruit.com and please give tons of feedback on my forums and enjoy!

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Posted: 1st Aug 2012 09:54 Edited at: 1st Aug 2012 10:04
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Okay Flamerator...

I've also been a gamer, and more specifically an avid mmorpg lover since 1998 when I first discovered the wondrous Ultima Online way back when.

I've easily played, tested, and tried over 100 mmorpgs now and have quite a lot of experience with them. (playing them, that is)

I'm not going to knock you down and say that you cannot possibly make an mmorpg yourself, because I have been surprised at what some very small Indie developers have created. Games like Darkfall Online come to mind in the more recent very nice mmorpgs made by a very small team. So nothing is impossible.... well... Yes what I think you are trying to do is actually, from the looks of it.

You just posted about this with a VERY small video and obviously just the very beginnings of your game development two weeks ago. Now you are posting that you're going to be ready for "open beta" in less then 30 more days??!?

Slooowww down!

There is NO WAY that you're going to be ready for an mmorpg beta in a month, or even six months working by yourself.

To confirm this, let me ask you some basic questions...

1) Have you completed designing your open world and can you playing all alone move and over it without any complications or strange problems? Remember that your world will need to be HUGE to support the number of players which you would need to have in a working "mmorpg"

2) Have you completed any fighting movements and have you got any computer controlled animals/monsters/people in your game yet? You'll need to have a lot to have a even halfway realistic and fun mmo.

3) Can you jump, run, swim? If so, does it look natural and realistic?

4) Have you worked all the bugs out of your code to the point you are at now?

5) Have you created the ability to log into a server yet? If so, what server (yours or a rental server) and how many players can this server support? Have you created the server code that will handle all of the server handled world items, such as loot, weather, time, other computer controlled creatures, player inventory and stats etc? (Remember you don't want the code that handles a players stats and inventory in the players client or it can be easily manipulated, ie cheating)

6) If your complete world is done, how many towns, buildings, caves, dungeons etc have you completed? Is there an interesting change of scenery and hills, mountains, deserts, bodies of water, rivers, etc? A big flat area is just not going to work.

I could go on and on and on here, but hopefully you have already begun to see my point.

My point is that if you haven't even completed basic things like all of your avatar movements, combat for just yourself or a single player game, then "opening up a beta" should be the LAST thing on your mind.

What I want to see from you that will convince me that you are truly serious about this, and that you can do it all alone is a video of your progress and your character fighting something controlled by the AI. A bear, a large spider, a guard, heck even a chicken trying to fly away from you!

You need to show something besides a small brick wall and the dark clouds default settings floating over you.

Again, I am not trying to criticize you, but rather tell you to STOP, THINK, and realize that there is soooooo much to an mmorpg. You need to be able to make a fun and WORKING single player model of at least a small part of this world LONG BEFORE YOU EVER EVEN MENTION "BETA".

Also, what single player games have you completed up to working on this project? Can you make a working Asteroids, Pac-Man, or Donkey Kong clone? How about a single player DOOM style game? My point is that if you can't/haven't even completed a simple working retro style game, you are WAY in over your head trying to make a massively multiplayer online world as your first project. You are doomed before you even begin to get started, and I'd hate to see you lose all confidence in yourself, your programming abilities, and never code another line all because you jumped in way too deep with your first attempt.

I wish you all the best of luck however. Regardless of what you do, realize that even a small team of highly talented developers like the crew that made Darkfall Online took many, many YEARS to complete that game, and still several more years working out bugs, glitches, and imbalances. You cannot make an mmorpg in a month or two by yourself. It's not you or your lack of heart or talent. NOBODY could do it. Tackle this game in chunks to even have a chance at success. Let's see you make a AI mob and fight it as a first step. Get that right, and make that fun, and then take the next step. Also completing small parts of the game and getting them working nicely and bug free will help you build your confidence as well.

Most importantly.. don't give on your dreams pal. I admire that. But Rome wasn't built in a day. And it also wasn't built by a single person with a good idea. Just keep that in mind.


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@Flamertor

I love the "to be king" idea! But game looks like ... Aww. I wish you make it look good, because it's something original!

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Hi the open beta was going to be 5 tutorials which give you an idea of how the game works and each week I was thinking of making another tutorial until they are all done whiste making more of the world in the background so the open beta would be at 0.1 to start of with. Also I have made in the past a city manger game with a twist in db (not pro) where you were a person and you had nothing and you chopped down trees etc to build buildings and you had people going to work etc but I got rushed towards the end because it was for a comp.... But it isn't going to happen with this one and I have programmer a sever ish but the game and the server keeps missing one another :/



And with the graphics I'm going to improve them later on after I got the machinecs working

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The Game is coming along well and should meet the deadline for the 5 tutorials of it. I hope you enjoy when it's done

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in a rush right now, could only quickly watch the video... I like the whole "Kingdom" idea and the vid does look nice, though I have to agree with most of the comments on modelling / texturing... Also, I wouldn't want to say making an mmorpg on your own is impossible... And I think it doesn't really matter - pick a project. A huge one: even better! If you finish it, great! If you "fail" and decide at some point down the road that it becomes unmanagable... Then you will have learned a thousand valuable lessons that will make your next project a thousand times better

On a side note: Making a *first person* *MMORPG* with "Scrolls" in the title, along with a word that starts with "E" --- Bethesda is sooo going to sue you
kidding obviously, but do think about that maybe... Also, the title "The Great War" has somewhat lost its shine imho...

[edit: Afterthought: I have to confess I am kind of excited about that beta though Will be following this one.. ]
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Hi New World Order

Thanks for the responce

The bit about "the great war" is becuase it is the biggest war and longest in my made up world of Ashguard plus it will proberly be the only one were all the factions are in a war together.

The grahics I know are kinda like morrowind but I was thinking of doing like a revampt of them later on after I get the basics of the game enjoyable and makes u forget about time

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Some bad new My laptop gaming graphics card is playing up and I need to get it fixed so I will be late in the early open alpha stage (new stage instead of open beta) of the game release but I don't know how late. Sorry for getting hopes up and thanks for your corporation.

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New Pictures of my game!

https://www.facebook.com/pages/IM-The-Game-Runner/258952367473908

Hope you enjoy!

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looks pretty cool.
but i suggest you to close this and make new thread at Work In Progress

also since its an MMO, you should try my AdvUpdater to make updates for your game easily (just like most of mmorpgs with build-in updaters)

looking forward for new post

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Hi,

Is there any chatch to using your AdvUpdater Hopefully not becuase I have seen your work and may I say im a huge fan of it!

I will be doing even more work today on it, spending every second I can! Well between school and fencing

Also Like my facebook page to get more up to date news!

Finally the new thread
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=199956&b=8&p=0

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Posted: 5th Sep 2012 18:57 Edited at: 5th Sep 2012 18:58
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Quote: "I have seen your work and may I say im a huge fan of it! "


thanks. it means a lot to me >_<

no catch. totally free for all.
500MB a free user, 1GB for helpers that helps me to improve the program by submiting bugs and stuff.
and totally free unlimited storage for private testers..

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Cool so what would be the max amount I could use and how would I go about doing it?


Thanks again!

Looks really good may I say

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Quote: "Cool so what would be the max amount I could use and how would I go about doing it?"

i belive 1GB is more than enough for you
and you do is just download -> register and follow the steps or see the video that on my thread..

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thanks which setting should I use and have you seen the new thread I have made http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=199956&b=8&p=0

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yeah i saw that thread. grtz.
i hope the gameplay will be soon enough

and about the settings..
u should use the "Free User 500MB" i belive you wont need more than that. but if you do, you always will be able to upgrade it for more..

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The tutorials will be but only the first five then it will be upgraded as much as I can

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