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Dsarchy
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I have seen DBZ and thought it was good.
(plz post your opinions on it )

I then saw GT and hated it. That little Pan Girl was "sehr" annoying and I just couldn't stand the way Goku was little and whenever he was getting beaten up he would just go ssj4 and be big again.....that didn't make much sense.

Then I saw the Original DB and its the most perverted out of all of them. LoL. I guess if your into that type of Sh**t then its OK but for me its too wierd.

A couple of things really.

1)Wanted to know what your feelings are on the saga/series/show.

2)Is there any others out there other than the 3 I mentioned.

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Shadow Robert
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There are the movies, but no there are no other series...
personally i preferred DragonBall in Manga form, DragonBallGT had more fluid fighting and animation but they seemed to just want to get on with the dialog rather than the fighting and so someone would do something mega within 10seconds of fighting and it'd all be over (and the dialog was more aimed at kids unfortunately), dragonball z has the stories and the fighting but it lacked depth to any of them, as all they ever did was fight with the same old moves and became way to predictable.

I'd recommend Ghost in the Shell : Stand Alone Complex, although i'm not sure why Kusunagi is always almost completely naked when everyone around here is wearing nore every day stuff ... but the stories are pretty awesome and the animation and graphics are similar level to the 1995 film
Can't wait til April and my trip to Japan to see Innocence


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I have seen Ghost in the Shell very clever story with the puppet master. I think the Matrix was based a little on it (that and other anime).

I have seen a few movies. Brolly and Brolly returns. Trunks alternitive storyline (although this is a bit more of an episode special)and This one with Pan as a Grandmother and Son Goku.

Have you seen Akira. Thats quite clever. Has the same look and feel to Ghost in a shell although it goes more into fantasy that Ghost.

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Akira is the best quality animated movie ever to be produced without reling on computers (expect for one obvious part), the sound track is next to none and the story is exelent, not bad for a movie that oer 15 years old.

Funimation has all but destroyed the DB series. They completely threw out the oringinal music, change quite a bit of the diologe (just watch the DVDs in Japanese), switched some episodes around, they basicly turned it into a kids show. GT was bad to begin with, the complete when against Akira Toriyama wishes (he wanted it to end with DBZ) and created the series with out his imput. Even the die hard fans in Japan hated it.

If you are a fan of Toriyama's style you might want to try a few games that he was involed in. Tobal #1 is a fighting game that he desinged charactes for, I think you even can fight Toriyama himself but don't quote me on it. I'm pretty sure all the Dragon Quest/Dragon Warriors game had his direct imput and they definately use his stlye of animation and storytelling. Chrono Trigger is one of the best games ever, and he designed all the mosters and charcters himself. All of these game can be found on the PS1, with Chrono Trigger part of 'Final Fantasy Chronicles'.


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I have played Chromo Trigger and I got a copy of Chrono Cross (the sequal to Trigger on the Playstation)
Although my PS1 is not chipped so I have to play it using a disk thing I got. Why the hell dont they just save me the troubles by converting it to PAL I dont know cost me £50 .

Can I get those games on PAL. I dont like importing them. They cost alot and are sometimes crap. For example I spent £98 importing Final Bout and Battle 22 (both DB) and they are possibly the worst games I have played. Then 5 months later they decided to convert it and make it PAL (although the games are like 5 years old). FB is like Tecken (not 3, 1) but slower. And 22 uses this wierd badly designed 3D background with 2D Characters. Its not even that fast. Considering its DB and they should be moving faster that the human eye. No match for Street Fighter.

Maybe If I can get them off of the web then Ill play them.

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Every DBZ game I've played blows, if they ever thought to get the creators imput they might have created a decent game.


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15 years Arrow?
1989 Akira was made... was the longest movie ever until Titanic was released, ran for 2hr45min (uncut that is)
and the only way to watch it is traditional japanese

the music is classic for the guy who provided it, also the same guy who did both the Japanese and American soundtracks for GitS.
Personally I prefered the storyline in GitS and Patlabour over all other animé.

As far as i'm conserned and alot of other hardcore Animé fans the only people who believe Akira is the best out there just don't have enough experience in animé to judge.
Don't get me wrong it'll be in my top 5 manga of all time, but has nothing on the subtlety and undertones of GitS...

That movie defined Sci-Fi movies for the past 8years, without a doubt is one of the most impressive - not because of it being one of the first to successfully use CG within it and have it be unnoticable with the animation.
But because the storyline delves deep into the what-if and plays heavily on what the future could be like in another 15years time when it is set. At the rate of technological developments and underground stuff the movie is scarily closer to the future than we'd think.

And the Matrix was totally based heavily upon the stories undertone or not always being who we believe we are and what happens with technology meets man. Difference being the Japanese always embrace it as a good thing, whereas the americans always pit us directly against it. (Terminator is another good example of this)

The way the films are structured just goto show really the complete differences in culture and perceptions of things.


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Quote: "Difference being the Japanese always embrace it as a good thing, whereas the americans always pit us directly against it. (Terminator is another good example of this)"

hmmm... what about lost in space... Or short circuit ... there are more, just hard to think of.
I was surprised when I saw Ghost in the Shell because the drawing style is nothing like its creator's, Shirow. I really like his drawing style, but the movie wasn't drawn by him.
And about DBZ, well, I prefered the origional dragon ball, didn't like the dragon ball z, and I HATE DBGT.

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lost in space was a cult tv show, the movie was only recently but still heavily based on that TV show.
the shows are different to movies, god knows why ... usually movies from shows are just longer more drawn out stories that could've been a 30-45min episode.

and Short Circuit they're trying to constantly kill the robot because it's become intelligent - hense i stand by my previous statement.
Americans like to always seems to prefer to see some underdog become a hero and triumph ... alot of other cultures don't.

the only time in a Japanese cartoon something is truely Good vs Evil is when it actually is Gods vs Devils lol ... else usually sides don't mean one heck of alot to them, both are good in thier own right and both are evil in thier own right.
Obviously there are hero's of a story in the kids shows, but the bad guys aren't ever particularly evil people who i dunno ... strangle kittens for fun. And oftenly aren't melodramatic about being evil either.

i mean just watch dubbed versions and subtitled versions of animé, the script changes - because they're translating it for the english audience rahter than directly translating it.


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i got Chrono Trigger for the super when it came out and played it forever. I think Dragon Ball Z is ok, but its way too long for me to collect, starting now. Also check out these anime, you might like.

Vampire Hunter D
Lodoss War
Samuril X (I Prabily spelled wrong )
Jin-Ruh The wolf Brigade
Metrapalish (I Prabily spelled wrong )

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Quote: "Americans like to always seems to prefer to see some underdog become a hero and triumph ... alot of other cultures don't.
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yeah, I guess you're right...

Quote: "i mean just watch dubbed versions and subtitled versions of animé, the script changes "

I never watched a dub
the voices are horrible in dubs. Anyone watched samurai x dubbed? I couldn't stand 2 minutes of it, and switched to the portuguese dub (which was also bad, but alot better than the english...)

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No joke, the only series I give credit to for good dubbing is Tenchi Muyo!, and even then I still prefer subtitles. A few other animes worth wathing are Lain (only if you like mind f*cks), Evangelion (royal Mind F*ck), Maze, Ranma ½, or Iria.


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Everyone knows that I love evangelion... it's a masterpiece... and like raven says, something americans could never create.

Lain is very cool, although I haven't seen it all.

DBZ is repetitive and boring, could have been a hell of alot shorter because the storyline isnt all to developed... DB is kinda cool.

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Cowboy Bebop. Thats one that I thought was good. Only saw it the other day. Weird name though.

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Cowboy Bebop? Not really, Bublegum Criss is an odder name than that, it any case it's a good description of the show.


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I actually liked Dragonball and Dragonball Z although very predictable and DBGT well I like it well the Jap vers. but I kind of am disappointed with GT in Ameri. I expected a bit more.....oh well.....but hey I just watch all Anime or read Manga and like it newayz.......like Inuyasha, or Cowboy Bebop and real funny weird show FLCl, or Fooly Cooly

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First off, what withj the bold text?

I have a number of mangas, I read all of Chobits before I watched the series, the manga was (as expected) better. I'm tring to finish the last half of Love Hina, it's very good. If I can find them I want to read the original Tenchi Muyo! and DBZ mangas.


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i like alot of the Manga dubs, i know people bitch alot about the dubbed versions ... but the Manga films like Perfect Blue, Ghost in the Shell, Evangelion and Patlabour.

If you watch them in Jap with subtitles there is just far too much to follow, and in Jap you have to really understand the dialect of the language else it truely screws you brain big time.

although i know a good few guys who like evangelion, i've noticed that those who like it do so ... more because it is a phenomemonal animé series rather than actually likeing it.
i mean you really have to like that sort of film before hand before watching it.

i know someone will know this, but TriGun and Kai Doh Maru ^_^
wonder how many know of those...

Ya know its like Akira - everyone seems to agree it is suppose to be like "THE" greatest Manga ever. Thing is though i'm not sure of many people who've actually watched it more than one... bah i dunno
i just think alot of people want on the Animé bandwagon because it like "cool" and such. So they get all hyper-into it, but really they're only into it because it is the thing of the time.

Give them 3-4years and suddenly they don't like it anymore.
It's like alot of things, feel alot of people just go with the Fads rather than actually get into these things.


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Me personally, I prefer Ghost in The Shell, a few episodes of Big O (heheh gotta love big robots fighting), bubblegum crisis 2040, Some bebop, Gunsmith Cats, Tekkaman Blade 2, New Dominion Tank police, Patlobor I&II, some macross, Trigun, and Blue Seed. These i thought had the best story and actually had some meaning to them. And good music in Bebop and trigun(gotta love Yoko Kanno and the seatbelts).

If i were to go into what i thought were the worst, i'd say FLCL, Inuyasha, and Yugioh (plus any other anime about a card game for f*cks sake).

On the topic of manga, was i hearing right when my friend told me there is a American "jump" now?
if there is, does it have the manga that the Weekly Jump has, or do i still need to keep my weekly jump subscriptiion?

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if there is then i ain't heard of it...
personally though i just get manga (the magazine) from the uk, it's direct translates of the jap version. more accessible, and i like the english twist on it all ... probably why i still get AD2000 ^_^


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Quote: "i mean you really have to like that sort of film before hand before watching it."
Lol, I also like Lain, Aeon Flux, The Maxx, A Beuitful Mind, and Cats the broadway musical (and no I'm not gay). I love the mind trips and dives into the psyche.

I can't beleave I forgot to menson onew of my favorite animes earlier: Azumanga Daioh, that show's completely off the wall. I was disappointed with Trigun for some reason, could have been that I bought the box set before seeing any of it, for $150 you expect it to be damn good rather than just good. As for Akira, I love it even more than when I first started, probably due to me seeing in in Japanese. I the only anime's I had troulbe following the subtitles are one with alot of side notes, and a quick pause fixes it no problem. I used to play Chrono Tigger trying to get all the ending and level build, I'ld try to skip past the doiloge most of the time, I still tryed to follow along anyway, guess it mmade me a quick reader. In any case I'ld rather half to pause it every once in a while rather than miss out on some of the diologe. There is no wat to translate some Japanese word or phrases, like -sempai. Azumanga Daioh is a good example, it would lose alot of it's appeal if it was dubbed, there are just to many puns and other language dependant jokes to dub it.


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I wish we could get the 1000 page manga books like they have in Japan. I stopped reading translations when I finally got sick of paying Viz $5 bucks for 28 measly pages per issue. I never did find out what happened to Lone Wolf and Cub, Xenon or Area 88 I don't care if it's printed on newsprint in a flimsy binding if that's what it takes - give me more pages! I swear, comics have to be the worst entertainment value for your money.

Last anime I saw was Metropolis, which kicked ass and really surprised me. I liked Blood: The Last Vampire but it felt a little too...American for my tastes - like they were deliberatly trying to make a movie to appeal to the US audience. I can't believe I still haven't seen Spirited Away. I meant to catch it in the theaters but never did. Hmmm...maybe I'll go rent it now

I consider myself a fan of Japanese animation but I just can't make sense of Dragonball Z. I don't know why but every time I watch it, it's like "what the hell is going on?!". I have an easier time making sense of that stupid cartoon where chefs fight monsters with recipe cards, lol!

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