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FPSC Classic Product Chat / FPSC Games and OSX

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Marc Steene
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Posted: 22nd Aug 2012 21:26
Hi everyone,

Does anyone know if FPSC games can run on a Mac i.e. under boot camp? I've had a whole heap of requests from Mac users to make a Mac version but obviously using FPSC this isn't possible.


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BlackFox
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Posted: 22nd Aug 2012 21:49 Edited at: 22nd Aug 2012 21:54
This has been discussed before.

Thread #1

Thread #2

Thread #3

Thread #4

Macs that have Intel processors and have both Apple and Windows operating systems, then yes it will run on the Windows OS side. It is a pain, but it has been done. Just as it has been done running FPSC in VM systems. Attempting to use Bootcamp to game is just a nightmare based on what Mac users we know have told us.


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Marc Steene
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Posted: 22nd Aug 2012 22:07
Thanks Black Fox. I did a quick search but didn't get those results. I'll let the Mac users know they can run it using Windows with bootcamp.


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BlackFox
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Posted: 22nd Aug 2012 22:12 Edited at: 22nd Aug 2012 22:13
Quote: "Thanks Black Fox. I did a quick search but didn't get those results. I'll let the Mac users know they can run it using Windows with bootcamp.
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No problem. I figured since I knew where to look I'd lend a hand rather than you getting "guesses".

Quote: "Attempting to use Bootcamp to game is just a nightmare based on what Mac users we know have told us."


Just remember, some Mac users have had issues with gaming and DirectX, others a little bit of issues. It is the same as us running FPSC in our VM system. Took a bit of configuring on our end, but we can run the editor, test game, and built game in full VM. Some of your Mac users may have to do a bit of configuration to get it to work as it should.


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Posted: 23rd Aug 2012 08:49 Edited at: 23rd Aug 2012 08:51
Honestly though... the moral of the story is don't buy a Mac and expect to game on it. Of course, now its more popular and games do get Mac versions. Before this... I have no idea why you would want a Mac if you ever planned to play games on it.

I've owned 3 Macs in my lifetime and I wasn't "blown away". It seems more like a brand name sort of thing that is backed by the "rich people own Mac's" image. If I was going to use a Unix based OS I would rather use a version of Linux. Yes... I'm getting horribly off-topic. I just felt the need to express this.

Everytime I see people complaining they can't play a game on the Mac... I facepalm and immediately wonder why people don't like Windows PCs.

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Posted: 23rd Aug 2012 20:02
People say that windows always fail and crashes but that's because they download a ton of stupid crap with viruses *facepalm X 9999*

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Posted: 24th Aug 2012 11:02
Quote: "People say that windows always fail and crashes but that's because they download a ton of stupid crap with viruses *facepalm X 9999*
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has nothing to do with viruses or downloads, its simply a relict from the past. apple-os runs without crashing and without user-knowledge from the very beginning with the appleII in the early 80s, while microsoft starts the windows-os, wich become stable first time under XP end of the 90s, 15-20 years later.
since that stability is no reason to buy a mac or win anymore, it just remains in fanboys mind. i can crash any windows system and every apple-machine to bluescreen within in 2 minutes, just have to open some of my digi-pictures in fullsize.^^

buy a mac when you use it only for specific, mac-conform tasks and if you want some nice (boring) design-case.
if you want to have a digital tool that you can/have to totally control for every task possible for cheap price, buy a windows-machine.

if you just want to freakbook and sending mails/do online-shopping, buy ANY tablet and get out of my way.^^

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Posted: 24th Aug 2012 13:35 Edited at: 24th Aug 2012 13:58
This is to confirm what Blackfox had posted.

I have a friend who has a "dual" Mac. He needed it because he tested Microsoft products and other apps to see if there are any hiccups using the Windows side of a Mac. I have tested what few games I have created on his Mac and they work as if they were on a stand-alone Windows system. I have never tried to run and use FPSC on it, however. Oh, and the first time I tried running a game it did crash but it needed Direct X9. He had direct X10 and was at first reluctant to add Direct X9 thinking there would be a conflict or that it would replace X10. I assured him it wouldn't as they would run separately and each would be used when needed. So, Direct X9 is needed. Yes, he trusted me.

Hopefully this thread won't turn into a Microsoft/Apple fight. Mayo is right if you need (or grew up with) a Mac then get or continue to get a Mac. If you think you need what a so-called IBM compatible has to offer then get a Window's machine.

Actually the Apple color game machine and the TRS-80 business machine came out about the same time. Those who wanted to play games got the Apple. Those who wanted more of what they considered a serious business machine got the TRS-80. Bill Gates wrote the OS for the TRS-80 before he wrote the DOS for the IBM personal computers. To show how versatile the TRS-80 DOS was HAM radio operators used the TRS-80 for a specific use in using their radios. They are the ones who eventually called the TRS-80 the Trash-80. It became an affectionate name for the TRS-80 for some and a name of disdain for others.

Apple later concentrated on all things dealing with graphics. It became a "household" word in the field of education.

Because I did not play computer games at that time, I purchased the very first TRS-80. I wanted to program the personal computer and I knew that was probably the way to go. If I played computer games and purchased an Apple I probably would still be purchasing on the "Apple" side.

BTW, my friend mentioned in the beginning was always an Apple user, however, he worked for a software company that used MS OS'

Sorry for the length but I can speak with experience regarding this age old debate (OMGosh it is age old by now). To me, although it is arguable for some, it is a moot point. A deliberative action for oneself.

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Posted: 24th Aug 2012 17:36
Quote: "To show how versatile the TRS-80 DOS was HAM radio operators used the TRS-80 for a specific use in using their radios."


Actually, we HAM operators used the TRS-80 and the Commodore 64. They both are a big part of communications.


Quote: "I can speak with experience regarding this age old debate (OMGosh it is age old by now). To me, although it is arguable for some, it is a moot point."


Agreed, considering we were around as the first home computer(s) came into being. If I recall correctly it was not a windows machine.


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Posted: 24th Aug 2012 18:03 Edited at: 24th Aug 2012 18:05


@Blackfox

Quote: "If I recall correctly it was not a windows machine"


It was a DOS machine as you know. The DOS was created by Bill Gates who just started Microsoft. It was actually Tandy Corp. that gave Bill a running start.

Yup, you're right. Commodore was also used. I forgot. I was around people who only used the TRS-80 so that was easy to forget.

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BlackFox
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Posted: 24th Aug 2012 18:42
Actually in our part of the world, we had the Apple II, Commodore 64, and TRS-80. I remember the double sided floppies and cassette drives, 4 KB RAM. Ah, the good old days.

In any event, we've answered the OP. It can be done, it has been done regardless of what opinions are.


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Posted: 24th Aug 2012 20:48
A little history from another Old Man....

Quote: "When IBM introduced the IBM PC, built with the Intel 8088 microprocessor, they needed an operating system. Seeking an 8088-compatible build of CP/M, IBM initially approached Microsoft CEO Bill Gates (possibly believing that Microsoft owned CP/M due to the Microsoft Z-80 SoftCard, which allowed CP/M to run on an Apple II[2]). IBM was sent to Digital Research, and a meeting was set up. However, the initial negotiations for the use of CP/M broke down—Digital Research wished to sell CP/M on a royalty basis, while IBM sought a single license, and to change the name to "PC DOS". DR founder Gary Kildall refused, and IBM withdrew.[2][3]
IBM again approached Bill Gates. Gates in turn approached Seattle Computer Products. There, programmer Tim Paterson had developed a variant of CP/M-80, intended as an internal product for testing SCP's new 16-bit Intel 8086 CPU card for the S-100 bus. The system was initially named "QDOS" (Quick and Dirty Operating System), before being made commercially available as 86-DOS. Microsoft purchased 86-DOS, allegedly for $50,000. This became Microsoft Disk Operating System, MS-DOS, introduced in 1981.[4]"


...from Wikipedia.

Gates didn't write DOS, he bought it.

Brian.

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Posted: 24th Aug 2012 21:33
And to think we gave up the stone, hammer, and chisel set for this.


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Posted: 24th Aug 2012 21:48
By the early 80's I had pretty much wore out my chisel, forcing me to strike harder with the hammer until I broke my stone, so I went ahead and bought an Atari 400. Those were the days.

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