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Megaton Cat
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Posted: 11th Nov 2003 18:19
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just noticed they changed they navigation around a bit. I like it more

(yes I'm aware this is a usless thread)

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Posted: 11th Nov 2003 18:38
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We have new products coming out and had basically run out of room, hence the new incarnation.

We're also using totally different menu code which is a lot faster, smaller JS size and more compatible than the previous one.

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I was wondering what you'd do when your next product came out . I like the new design better. And it works in Opera

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Posted: 11th Nov 2003 18:41 Edited at: 11th Nov 2003 18:43
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oh, thats nice. It usually loads way too long for my 56k

good job

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Just being a bit picky here, but isn't 'the ultimate seamless texture editor' a bit harsh? Other than making textures seamless, it has very little editing value to me... that's what PSP is for. Or is it the official tagline?

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Posted: 11th Nov 2003 19:01
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Netscape 7 does something weird. If you navigate site normally everything ok, but refresh any page and left nav column expands to 100% wide pushing rest of content off right hand side.

I don't care as I use IE. Just thought I'd test 'new' site in all my browsers.

Not the end of the world, but thought I'd point it out.

Boo!
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Posted: 11th Nov 2003 19:39
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Spooky - it's always done this. Mozilla renders it correctly.

Mouse - it's an editor more than anything else. Import a texture from a photo and you then edit it until it works.

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Posted: 11th Nov 2003 19:53
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S'pose so. Okie .

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Posted: 11th Nov 2003 20:43 Edited at: 11th Nov 2003 20:43
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With Mozilla Firebird 0.7 you get 1 of these 3 results with the side menu:
- It renders correctly
- The menu is expanded
- The menu isn't displayed at all


While you're here, Rich, did you consider my suggestions for making the code-snippets feature compatible to Mozilla browsers?

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I'm using Mozilla Firebird and I have a left menu thats 100% the width of the page. I also get two lots of drop down buttons. One across the top of the page and one down the left.

Whilst I'm complaining about the site it takes way too long to load. I don't visit very often anyway (have done recently for cshop betas) but when I do I have to sit there for about two minutes waiting for everything to load fully.
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Mozilla displays most of the stuff correctly here, however, on the "My Profile" page, the left sidebar takes up 100% the width of the page.

The other *big* problem is that CODE tags don't expand properly. I suggest that you do a browser check and if it isn't IE, just write the HTML with code tabs done like on the DBDN forums. This would be useful as a profile option as well.

I really cannot stand IE. (no download manager, no popup blocker, no tabbed interface, useless print preview, no integrated Google search, no grouped bookmarks, no managers for forms, cookies, images or passwords, no integrated HTML source editor, happily runs dodgy code without asking, no built in IRC etc...) ... so I really hope you can fix the Mozilla issues.

I think a slimline site option would be highly beneficial, the site DOES take a long time to load on 56K (checked at a friends, its OK on broadband though)


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Posted: 11th Nov 2003 23:58 Edited at: 12th Nov 2003 00:00
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Quote: "The other *big* problem is that CODE tags don't expand properly. I suggest that you do a browser check and if it isn't IE, just write the HTML with code tabs done like on the DBDN forums. This would be useful as a profile option as well."


Well, I posted a solution based on the current method here: http://www.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=17569&b=2&p=2
that should work on Mozzy browsers (at least it does here).




Quote: "I really cannot stand IE. (no download manager, no popup blocker, no tabbed interface, useless print preview, no integrated Google search, no grouped bookmarks, no managers for forms, cookies, images or passwords, no integrated HTML source editor, happily runs dodgy code without asking, no built in IRC etc...) ... so I really hope you can fix the Mozilla issues."


That hits the nail. Absolutely.

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I agree with all those reasons to dislike IE, but my solution is Opera, not Mozilla . Good to know so many people are switching to better browsers.

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Oh yeah Opera is nice. I mainly used it when Netscape released version 4.7 which was terribly bugged. But I had problems with version 5 and especially version 6, so I switched to Mozilla/Firebird.
Opera 7.1, however, runs fine for me.

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Posted: 12th Nov 2003 04:14 Edited at: 12th Nov 2003 04:17
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Opera is the best
You can download cool skins for it also



Quote: "I really cannot stand IE. (no download manager, no popup blocker, no tabbed interface, useless print preview, no integrated Google search, no grouped bookmarks, no managers for forms, cookies, images or passwords, no integrated HTML source editor, happily runs dodgy code without asking, no built in IRC etc...) ... so I really hope you can fix the Mozilla issues."


Lets see,
Opera has a d/l manager a pop-up blocker, a tabbed interface, a VERY useful print preiview, an intergrated Google search, grouped bookmarks, um im not sure about the other stuff


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Posted: 12th Nov 2003 04:22 Edited at: 12th Nov 2003 04:32
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for me the other grey menu thing is still on the side and it works

Using Opera, of course

[edit]not anymore[/edit]


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Ok I've just finished making a shed-load of changes to the structure of the page and the menus in general. This message is being posted from Mozilla Firebird 0.7 on which the entire site now works perfectly including no more of that "left menu is full screen width" stuff.

Also checked it totally on Opera 7.1 and fixed a few niggling little things with that too, so again it works as it should.

IE of course works fine.

FireBird is pretty impressive actually.. there's no way I'll switch to it, but I'll definitely leave it installed as it renders this site seriously quickly, caching all the right images in all the right places. I've optimised the HTML a lot to increase this speed dramatically. I also broke the structure down into three different segments (header, content, footer) so it will load piece by piece now and you'll not have to wait so long for the page to appear.

Quote: "I really cannot stand IE. (no download manager, no popup blocker, no tabbed interface, useless print preview, no integrated Google search, no grouped bookmarks, no managers for forms, cookies, images or passwords, no integrated HTML source editor, happily runs dodgy code without asking, no built in IRC etc...) ... so I really hope you can fix the Mozilla issues."


For me I get virtually ALL of those features in IE just by having the Google toolbar installed. It blocks pop-ups, manages cookies, integrated search (far better than the Opera version btw), form manager, password manager IE does anyway. Other than the HTML source editor, but my IE is configured to link to PHPEd/Homesite anyway.

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Posted: 12th Nov 2003 04:46
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This message is being posted from Opera 7.1 - incidently I have fixed the Code Snippets JS so it now works for Opera and FireBird. The cache is working correctly for Opera now too, so other than the actual page content (text) most of the graphics are now instant once you've visited one page at least.

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Under the game audio drop down think it says

sound essentials vol 1
23,000 royalty free stereo
games for game music.

should be sounds for game music?

Nice to see the snippets working
I had to refresh a page with a code snippet to get the snippets working in firebird if anyone else has that problem.

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Opps.. changed

and yeah you'll need to refresh to make sure it picks up the new JS files.

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Great news Rich . Thanks.

I'll have to check out FireBird again soon. It seems pretty neat. Opera has too many features it dosen't for me to switch, but the speed is very attractive... main reason I use Opera actually.

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Cheers for adding in the new support and compatibility.


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Too bad the site doesn't show in Netscape though

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Sod Netscape anyone still unfortunate enough to be using will have to make do. Besides, it DOES display, just not as nicely as it should. Mozilla/Firebird users are catered for and any die-hard Netscape fan should be using one of those two anyway.

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Quote: "Mozilla/Firebird users are catered for and any die-hard Netscape fan should be using one of those two anyway."

Yup. Firebird is pretty cool. And it's a small download, too (6MB).

[edit]Oh, and thanks for making the code snippets work on Firebird[/edit]

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IE 6 is the best yet. i hated mozilla when i used it at college - well i say hate it - but it could be due to being blocked off forums of all sorts and having to deal with macs with one mouse buttons!
now i know macs aint supposed to be bad pooters. BUT one mouse buttons???? i mean what is the point in them?
i suppose i am too used to the short cuts that u can get with a two buttoned mouse.

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ah yeh getting back to the subject - i didn't see the old design - but this design is alright - i can navigate the place easy enuff.

I am obsessed by Toasters - especially talking ones...bizaare really isn't it?
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Mac's haven't had 1 mouse button for years, have they? At least not the ones I've ever seen.

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Rich, could you pre-load the rollover images?

Would make things much smother

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For those on slow connections, it'd add one second too many to the site's loading time; to those on fast connections, it only takes half a moment for them to load anyways. Right ?

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well depends

Stick the preloader at the end then the download time will not be affected. But i expect the images are no bigger than 5k, use a cookie so it only loads images every 24hours then everything is in the bag

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Nah, I could pre-load them but it's not worth it. Visit once and they get cached thanks to the URL if your browser is doing what it should. They still function without the rollovers anyway, so it's not like it delays you in any way.

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Well actually yea the site does show up in Netscape....just not right lol

p.s I hate Netscape BTW

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@klariza

I don't know what version of Mozilla your college has, but it probably isn't up to date. The current version (1.5) is extremely good, and apart from a couple of (now fixed) glitches on this site, I haven't experienced a single page rendering mistake.

Thanks for fixing the code tags & left bar Rich


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Quote: "Mac's haven't had 1 mouse button for years, have they? At least not the ones I've ever seen."


Well the new iMac's at our school only have one button...


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are the two forums "3 Dimensional Chat" and "2D all the way" gone? or am i blind?
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at least they are missing in this dropdown menu.
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macs have always have had 1 button.

In my old school we had imacs (old and new)
emacs
and the oldest computers ull ever find. from when th Gui was invented. they only had 1 button


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They didn't invent the GUI, they stole it (and Microsoft stole it from them in turn) .

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So who invented it?


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Who knows?
Who cares?


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Xerox! More people should know this stuff

I think I'll be switching to Firebird and Thunderbird. They're really excellent apps, stabler and they crash less than Opera, and take less RAM. Oh, and built in IRC.

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iMacs are just a toy most people I know with real Macs (big powerful G4 shaped beasts) plug in a new mouse with a real amount of buttons and they work just fine. It is most definitely not an OS limitation thing, Apple just ship them with one-button wonders by choice, but you don't have to use them.

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A few GUI history links (quite interesting stuff- we had a school "project" about User Interfaces... in 1990. A few things have changed since then)


http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html
http://www.macos.utah.edu/Documentation/MacOSXClasses/macosxone/gui.html
http://www.apple-history.com/noframes/body.php?page=gallery&model=gui

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All that could make mac mouse better is a side button which is the same as the option key.

Tada, useable system

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I've got a 5-button optical mouse I'm rather happy with-- it cost me $15 and it wasn't on sale or at a discount store. Macs should start using these

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