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Posted: 13th Nov 2003 21:12
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Quote: " -I think he was refering to ASCII?"

Maybe. But what has binary to do with ASCII? Nothing.

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well its kinda related, theres a big table of the ASCII codes in bindary form in my computing text book, although I do have a habit of falling to sleep in non programming computing lessons so I wouldnt say my understanding was that good
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Well yeah, the binary system is as much related to ASCII as the decimal system is. Still less than hexadecimal, though.

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lets not forget octal
<squeezes forehead with pain>

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i know a small bit of binary coding,but why use binary level when you can code it with HEX!!!!
example in Hex(BASIC Flavor):
CODE$=CODE$+CHR$(&HB8)+CHR$(&H0)+CHR$(&H13)+CHR$(CD)+CHR$(&H10)
Now that is the equ. of :
MOV AX,0x013
INT 0x010

Say you wanted a clone of the QB Sleep command:
CODE$=CODE$+CHR$(&HCD)+CHR$(&H16)+CHR$(&H90)
This is equ to:
INT 0x016
NOP

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If you are going to program in Binary, you should definately start with Hex, or Assembler. Work your way up, or down or whatever.

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It depends on what you want to learn really. Binary is the basis of all numeric systems, including Hexadecimal - which is really just an alternative representation of 4 bits (values 0-15). I never liked Hex much, binary at least has some charm, like those old morse code walkie talkies you always end up getting at christmas as a kid - you can identify with binary because it's easy to learn.

Of course, as has been said numerous times - you don't program in binary, the toughest language you'll ever use is assembly/machine code, and that's only used heavily in hacking these days. Programs like SoftIce can decompile basically anything, but you need a real knowledge of the internal workings of a PC to understand uncommented assembly. In the 16-bit days most games were written in 100% assembly, it was the only way to get the speed needed, and do cool things like cheating with colour palletes and vertical syncs, but the advances in PC hardware make it possible to write games in C++ and other languages, programming hasn't got more advanced, hardware has - so why go against the flow?.

I'd say learning C++ would be a more worthwhile effort.


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As I have said before PLEASE stop wasting room on my post unless your going to answer my question it's just anoying, and it's preventing people who are willing to help from posting here because there is so much other nonsense already!!

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''For nonconformity, the world whips you with its displeasure''---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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noone is gonna help you man, get over it

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"As I have said before PLEASE stop wasting room on my post unless your going to answer my question it's just anoying, and it's preventing people who are willing to help from posting here because there is so much other nonsense already!!"

Have you read anything anyone has actually posted?!?!

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Quote: "Of course, as has been said numerous times - you don't program in binary, the toughest language you'll ever use is assembly/machine code"


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Posted: 15th Nov 2003 17:13 Edited at: 15th Nov 2003 17:19
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0100101001100101011100110111010101110011001000000100001101101000011100100110100101110011011101000010110000100000011110010110111101110101001000000110000101101100011011000010000001100001011100100110010100100000011000010010000001100010011101010110111001100011011010000010000001101111011001100010000001001101010011110101001001001111010011100101001100101100001000000100101001110101011100110111010000100000011100110110100001110101011101000010000001110100011010000110010100100000011010000110010101101100011011000010000001110101011100000010000001110101011011100110110001100101011100110111001100100000011110010110111101110101001001110111001001100101001000000110011101101111011010010110111001100111001000000111010001101111001000000100100001100101011011000111000000100000011011010110010100100001001000010010000100100001


And please, don't put one single more post on here unless it says:

"You can find help on binary programming at ..........."

Do yourselves a favor and stop wating your own time with this if you don't know. If this bothers you so much then can you make a new topic complaining about this post. That's the problem with this forum every one just critizizes instead of helping. If you can't answer my origional question which no one has YET! "Does any one know a web site where I can find help on Binary programming?"
Then just leave this post the hell alone.


I bet you even after all that, some dumb ass is still going to try putting other posts on here that have nothing to do with the topic.

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lmao, that was one of the funniest posts ever!

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Ok I promise not to post another thing!
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Thank you for proving my point:

Mattman and Pincho

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You know what forget it.
Thanks for nothing every body
put whatever you want on here I give up.

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cool! this will become the second most poinless thread in the world

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Traslation of:01001010011001010111001101110101011100110010000001000011011010000111001001101001011100110111010000101100001000000111100101101111011101010010000001100001011011000110110000100000011000010111001001100101001000000110000100100000011000100111010101101110011000110110100000100000011011110110011000100000010011010100111101010010010011110100111001010011001011000010000001001010011101010111001101110100
00100000011100110110100001110101011101000010000001110100011010000110010100100000011010000110010101101100011011000010000001110101011100000010000001110101011011100110110001100101011100110111001100100000011110010110111101110101001001110111001001100101001000000110011101101111011010010110111001100111001000000111010001101111001000000100100001100101011011000111000000100000011011010110010100100001001
000010010000100100001
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Jesus Christ, you all are a bunch of MORONS, Just shut the h*** up unless you're going to Help me!!!!
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er, iv'e got a strange feeling that this is just someone's sick joke lol.


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0111001111111000000111111
^ components inside your computer use bindary to do stuff, its bindary that lets penguins play on gameboys!
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At least divide by zero tried to help me.

But! I have been searching on google for help but I'm sure that a thing like this is going to very hard to find help on that's why the best way to find help is to ask some one who already knows, which is why I came here in the first place.

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If you really are clever enough to program in binary then you are cleverer than the people that you are asking....like me for example.

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It goes to the right for me too.
This used to happen more offten back in the day But i havent seen it happen in a while.


Very, Very annoying


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Phoenix 4 you nonce - do a search for assembly language or machine code, that's what your looking for.

You keep bitching about us not helping, but your not listening and acting like a school kid won't make us want to help you at all.

It has been said several times that you should look for assembly through google - now do that then come back with half a clue about why we use darkbasic.


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That happens when a post has no spaces in a very long line.
In this case it's one of Phoenix4's post with 1s and 0s and no space.

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Yeah Phoenix4 cut up you stupid long line up

I am kind of facinated by people spending large ammounts of time doing things that are largly pointless. The more time spent and the less achieved tbe better.

Programming something in binary is a pretty good example of that sort of activity. It intrested me enough to spend some time with google when I should be looking for a job, I am too easerly distracted .

Only really found one intresting link so far, some block wrote a small compiler starting with only
- an operating system;

- a simple text editor (or we could use Emacs and pretend it's a
simple text editor);

- a shell that lets us run a program with file descriptors connected
to particular files (this way the programs we write only need to
read from and write to file descriptors and do not have to know
about opening files);

- an initial program to convert hexadecimal to binary so that we can
compose our first programs in hexadecimal, using the text editor,
and then "compile" them to binary in order to run them (this
corresponds roughly to the program that you might enter into an
early computer using front panel switches).

link http://homepage.ntlworld.com/edmund.grimley-evans/bcompiler.html

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lol

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Maybe P-BASIC is the stuff for this guy. It lets you program pin sockets to make LED's flash. It's about as much fun as pulling teeth. But, it's programming...and you can use as much Binary as you can fit into a 256k stamp. Have Fun!

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Hmm...just flicked though the whole thing, no-one's mentioned P-Basic. P-Basic is the bollocks language of the universe. It has around 20 commands, and they're all rubbish. It can support one command per line, so you have to make your if statements like this:




That's some basic P-Basic. P-Basic is piss easy to learn, you can master the language in seconds, but the maths will keep you going, and you can use Hexadecimal if you prefer it (%01010101 = $55). You need a stamp controler and software to use it though. You can get the software from anywhere, and maybe you can find a Virtual Stamp Controller on the Internet. That's the best i can do for you. I had a trawl through google for you but i couldn't find any Virtual Stamp controllers. Probably not what you're looking for, but you can use this language to program your own Alarm Clock, electric egg timer, all sorts of crap. If you learn to wire circuitry, you can really use this language. Wait no you can't, the language really blows. I do too much programming...gonna go to bed now, i think. (Gets up, leaving perfect ass-print on the chair)

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If statements were like that for a long time. I think that the If statment has made the biggest change of all the standard basic commands.

If Then

If
Endif

If
Else
Endif

If
Else If
Else
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Yup...They should update the Stamp software. Make a stamp v.2 or something. Wait, it's allready on v.2 ....well a v.3 then.

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haha, i just read this and laughed my ass off.

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Binary can't make letters directly, it can only make a value 2^[number of bits] in size.

in most cases, its groups of 8 bits
[128] [64] [32] [16] [8] [4] [2] [1]

so..

11111111 = 128+64+32+16+8+4+2+1 = 256
00000001 = 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+1 = 1


another way of writing it :


the way computers get the latters ("a", "b", "c", what you're reading right now, etc) is by asssigning the different possible values (0-255) to a symbol

Edit: it seems my post came a little too late ^_^

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Isn't there a reserve in ASCII as well? I'm sure you can only use 255 of those bits. Well anyway. If you want something challenging to do, then learn Perl. I just can't get my head around it. It seems simple enough, but somehow, it just doesn't click. -Dave

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perl as a language is quite easy, but i dropped it awhile ago in favour for asp, which in turn i dropped for php, which is where i'm at now

if you don't know php yet, i'd recommend you just go straight to it, it's a pretty flexible language, and uses easy C style syntax.

the main problem i have with perl, is the zero presence of a debugger. sometimes i had nightmares about http 500 internal server errors.


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