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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / First Kickstarter From TGC

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LeeBamber
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Posted: 1st Nov 2012 01:05 Edited at: 1st Nov 2012 01:34
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Hi Guys,

You may have learned about our FPSC Reloaded Kickstarter Project we launched on the 31st October. If not, here it is:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tgc/fps-creator-reloaded

As you can see, we've really piled the features on to get some interest from the Kickstarter community, and it was asked in a related forum what the benefits to DBP users might be, so I thought I would post here.

As you may know FPSC was created in DBP, and is currently based on the U77 beta which you can access from this forum. We plan to continue using DBP for the Reloaded project, and in doing so we will need to being U77 to completion and start a new U80 which will provide the new features we will need.

In some cases we might be using existing modules like DarkDynamix or DarkOcclusion, but in other cases we may have to enhance existing DBP modules and certainly make running tweaks the compiler and core language. I will personally be looking to speed up the compiler so my year long development will probably gain a few extra days from having a quicker code-compile-test cycle.

The reason for my post is to recruit as many DBP users as I can to push the pledge figures up to the point of Reloaded getting the green light and funded. In exchange you will get one 'Lee' working on a DBP project for the best part of a year, and a sudden surge of updates and enhancements as part of this project. Check out the video, and if you want this to happen, put a pledge in before the end of November. If we get funded, I will make it a point to finish the U77 update and get it released before Christmas 2012. I think 17 months is long enough for you guys to wait for an official update!

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Posted: 1st Nov 2012 01:11
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Quote: "I will personally be looking to speed up the compiler so my year long development will probably gain a few extra days from having a quicker code-compile-test cycle."


YES!! I'm all for that alone.

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Posted: 1st Nov 2012 11:36
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Awesome! A huge thumbs up and I'll drop my pledge in next Monday...

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MrValentine
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Pledging A.S.A.P. anything beneficial to DBP is good in my books!

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zoltar
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Posted: 1st Nov 2012 14:49
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As an FPSC user I already pledged to be a Silver Sponsor. However, I'm a DBP user too, and the idea of having it collaterally enhanced would have been enough for me to back the project.

I really hope it reaches its funding goal!
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Best of luck with this. I think FPSCR is going to be an awesome product. I'll be pledging!

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The Weeping Corpse
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So whats happening with Dark Basic Elite?

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Posted: 1st Nov 2012 23:54
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I pledged yesterday... Let's make this happen!
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Posted: 2nd Nov 2012 00:36 Edited at: 2nd Nov 2012 00:37
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Quote: "So whats happening with Dark Basic Elite?"


It was just a question whether we would like to see such product. They haven't confirmed if it's going to happen. So for now Elite is just an idea.


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And if they put DBE on kickstarter while they are still waiting on FPS Creator Reloaded they will dilute the funding for the first. But kickstarter might be a good launchpad for DBE AFTER they've got funding and greenlight for Reloaded...

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LeeBamber
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In order for me to code Reloaded, I will have to make the DBP compiler many MANY times faster than it is now, add some very fancy multi-core wizardry to the engine and make it completely friendly with Windows 7/8 for the new PC systems. All this would be DBP development and released as free updates to you guys. For this to happen though I really do need every pledge I can find. If you have any ideas, or if there is ONE thing you need to secure your pledge in the next three weeks, get that message to me so I can see what I can do.

Dark Basic Elite was just a blue sky thought and thrown out there to see what you guys where looking for. The response was about two years locked in a coding cave by my last estimate I have however taken steps to move the DBP technology along, and one of the first steps is to get the Reloaded project underway. I find the best way to develop and test a language is to write a game maker with it It makes sense that the best way to improve a language is to improve a game maker

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Lee, you have my humblest respects, and I hope to throw as high a backing as I can I am aiming for £50-£60 lets hope I get another client soon!

And I totally agree with you, you need something to drive the technology forward, otherwise everything is just thin air as direction!

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I am not a rich man, but consider yourselves backed (as Andrew Neale, wouldn't mind one of them fancy badges. ). As someone who doesn't use FPSC at the moment, I would've backed just to support TGC anyway, but if it means that DBPro will get some updates too then even better! Seeing the development progress through the BETA versions as well will be interesting.


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Guys! We need to back this up. TGC needs us now. If we back FPS Creator Reloaded today we might see better and improved DBP tomorrow. So open your wallets and cash out as much as you can. Going to pledge asap my self.

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On the basis that helping this kickstarter project will advance dbe, I will contribute (when I get paid end of week!)

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Quote: "On the basis that helping this kickstarter project will advance dbe, I will contribute (when I get paid end of week!)"


You don't have to wait, apparently they charge you only once the funding is successful (in this case it's 1st Dec).

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Pledged in the hope we'll see some work to DBpro(1).User(2).Defined(3).Types(4).WINK_WINK

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Pledged as well and hoping others will continue to pledge.
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Burning: I see what you did there, and I like it!

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Hi lee.

I would pledge if you added greater user control over 3d object draw order.
...that and overloading user functions.

I will pledge $100 if there is a chance those things can find their way into your dark basic pro update.

Thanks

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Benjamin
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Good luck guys!

Quote: "Pledged in the hope we'll see some work to DBpro(1).User(2).Defined(3).Types(4).WINK_WINK "


Considering how AppGameKit was the big new thing and that didn't get any features like arrays in functions, what makes you think they'll go to all that effort for simply an update?

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I've only just realized that FPSC Reloaded might lead to a major update of DBPro (I really aught to read some of these threads a bit more carefully) which would be really cool.

I've literally just put my pledge in.
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I think a lot of TGCers are too cheap to pay much for software. We've been spoiled over the years. But many kickstarters have pulled out ahead in the last minute so maybe this one will too.

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It has been a no-brainer for me to pledge...

1. The original cost of DBPro costs a mere fraction of what I have earned from using it
2. The numerous updates that have included NEW functionality for free (I never paid for physics, enhanced particles, cloth, enhanced terrains etc etc)
3. A £25 pledge is cheaper than buying the final software I'll get in return for my pledge.
4. I get more updates to DBP
5. TGC is stronger for it and able to support my hobby further into the future
6. All enhancements to all products seep into the other product lines.

ANY ONE of the above reasons is justification for my pledge! TGC have served me well for so long, it's time to give back just a little, for altruistic or selfish reasons.

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Quote: "It has been a no-brainer for me to pledge...

1. The original cost of DBPro costs a mere fraction of what I have earned from using it
2. The numerous updates that have included NEW functionality for free (I never paid for physics, enhanced particles, cloth, enhanced terrains etc etc)
3. A £25 pledge is cheaper than buying the final software I'll get in return for my pledge.
4. I get more updates to DBP
5. TGC is stronger for it and able to support my hobby further into the future
6. All enhancements to all products seep into the other product lines.

ANY ONE of the above reasons is justification for my pledge! TGC have served me well for so long, it's time to give back just a little, for altruistic or selfish reasons."


Well said! Lets make this happen, even if against all odds.

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I did some basic maths, and we need 2000~ people to pledge £25 or more each...I think the higher cost rewards need upping... I think the incentives for non-TGC users is not quite there, and I think maybe the product was not explained clear enough for new users or viewers... also perhaps some subtitles ^^

I do hope I can pull out £25 before the end of the KS funding but... I overspent this month already dinners and stuff... for me the timing is too sudden as well as overcoming the no PayPal option... maybe look at Sage Pay? or is it all down to KS? I know PP is American but they are big enough to be trusted, not that I am fond of them... I plan to use Sage Pay myself... as it is a British company anyway... I will see what I can do on top of it I put the project in front of over 1000 people so hopefully they will spread the word, it is the least I can do for now...

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IMHO this kickstarter has been launched too near to Christmas and doesn't run for long enough. I would love to donate £400 but can't right now as I'm buying presents and such.

I'm not interested in FPSC per se but would like to see the updates made to DB Pro as it seems this is the closest to DB Elite we will get.

I wonder, can TGC move the cut off date?

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Quote: "It has been a no-brainer for me to pledge...

1. The original cost of DBPro costs a mere fraction of what I have earned from using it
2. The numerous updates that have included NEW functionality for free (I never paid for physics, enhanced particles, cloth, enhanced terrains etc etc)
3. A £25 pledge is cheaper than buying the final software I'll get in return for my pledge.
4. I get more updates to DBP
5. TGC is stronger for it and able to support my hobby further into the future
6. All enhancements to all products seep into the other product lines.

ANY ONE of the above reasons is justification for my pledge! TGC have served me well for so long, it's time to give back just a little, for altruistic or selfish reasons."


Agreed. Definitely worth the outcome. Though I've not made any money from it, but then it's a hobby and when you think about it, I've been doing this as a hobby since 2004 and have paid very little for what I've got out of it.

I've pledged £30, but may add more before the month is over. However, I do agree the timing is bad and I'm not sure TGC will get the £60k, hopefully they can market that outside help. New users would be sweet.

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After reading the news about DBP updates - just pledged £30.00 (£35.00 as I'm in Oz).

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Just watched the Alley Tech Demo video and now I need some new socks

ha ha so I pledged £100.

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@ Lee and TGC,

Being a tightwad, I've backed but only £40...

Still a lot better than nowt....

Backing like so many others (TGC pay note) because I'd like to see this spearhead updates/upgrade of DBPro/DBE and other new innovations...

I'm far from sure you guys are going to hit target in time. Shame you couldn't just reduce the target or extend the time limit?

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I think being able to change the time frame would be nice, cannot see it as being similar to how bad it is to be able to change the goal... as if the goals could be changed, then anybody could commit fraud in that essence... but that is a grey area and should be enough said on the matter really...

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@ Mr Valentine,

See your point re time - just frustrated the period to back was so short.

I owe Lee Bamber and TGC BIG TIME for years of being provided with an ultimately very accessible programming language. I even think Lee had something to do with AMOS (programming language for Amiga) before DB Classic, Before DBPro, before AppGameKit and FE...

So backing this partly out of blind loyalty to be honest.

I'm not sure (speed, versatility, comprehensive command set, trimmings, speed, speed, speed...) whether AGK/FE will ever coincide with/surpass DBPro - I hope so, and soon - but, subject to that (being soon), I am a dedicated supporter of DBPro and it's just been so dang long since we had an update....

I suspect many on the forums are so desperate for a real step forward on DBPro (DBE, whatever) they'd back a three-legged blind mule in the derby if they thought it might indirectly create that step forward for DBPro...

Fingers crossed.

[edit] Not that I'm drawing any comparison between FPS Reloaded and a blind three-legged mule. FPS-R is of course a champion thoroughbred racehourse with a jetpack on it's saddle....

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Pledged £60.

Keep those pledges coming - only 13 days to go.
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£20,400 out of £60,000 and 6 days to go.... ;(

This would be a good time for TGC to find a wealthy private backer....

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It'd be a good time for TGC to start a new Kickstarter for DB Elite if this doesn't reach the target..

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Quote: "It'd be a good time for TGC to start a new Kickstarter for DB Elite if this doesn't reach the target.."


Aaaaaah, for FPSC I am only willing to part with £25, but for DBE, if the timing was right, I would part with at least £100 and if it was run for long enough, I would add and add to that!

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Same here

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I agree with Conor B. Since I cant really talk myself into getting behind a fps type of thing (rts or rpg creator though... hmmm... i'd be in!!!!). But, DBPro Elite.... now that i would throw my 100 to and would be nice if the people that pledge a full 100 towards it were part of the beta group . I truely would love to see the main focus on a rewrite of dbpro for 64bit + latest dx11 and some of that very fancy multi-core wizardry Lee mentioned .
Might also want to look into how to integrate dbpro elite stuff with the new windows 8 metro interface side since it seems they are going in a totally new direction and I dont think the regular windows desktop will last more than a couple years. Speaking of the new windows... touch interface will need to be integral to a new version.
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Now would be the time for the massive private backer to step up on Kickstarter...

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I'm still wondering why they pushed FPSC reloaded, rather than DBP Elite.

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FPS Reloaded is backed by a private investor - so now over £60K - seems like the posts about a private backer were on the money, literally.

However, the Kickstarter page still shows the pledges kicking around £20K with 2 hrs to go.

If we pledged £40+ do we still get beta access and those other promised model packs? Or do we now have to pledge more?

Anyways, really good news and really looking forward to development of DBE in tandem with FPS Reloaded....

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Quote: "If we pledged £40+ do we still get beta access and those other promised model packs? Or do we now have to pledge more?"


The Kickstarter fund will not complete, so no money will change hands. We'll have to wait for more news on how any other funding will work.

Over 175 people pledged £40+, and many more offered to pledge more at a later date if it was possible to do so. If these people maintain their pledges through the new funding system, this is over £15,000 towards the stretch goals. That's an inventory system, better particles, sound-based AI, and maybe trees and reflection/refraction.

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@ BatVink,

Noted. To be fair, I'm backing it to the hilt either way. Just waiting for TGC to point me in the right direction...

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Email from TGC:

Quote: "Today we’re able to share some wonderful news with you. A private investor (who wishes to remain anonymous) has funded the project up to the 60K level."



Damn. Well that's good news, so thank you anonymous private investor.

Oh well, decided to pledge an extra £10.

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Posted: 1st Dec 2012 10:54 Edited at: 1st Dec 2012 10:55
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I'd like to get some sort of official clarification about this as Duffer mentioned:
Quote: "However, the Kickstarter page still shows the pledges kicking around £20K with 2 hrs to go."


But then BatVink stated:
Quote: "The Kickstarter fund will not complete, so no money will change hands. We'll have to wait for more news on how any other funding will work."


But the email I got, and that Seppuku Arts made reference to states pretty clearly that:
Quote: ""Today we’re able to share some wonderful news with you. A private investor (who wishes to remain anonymous) has funded the project up to the 60K level.""


To me, the bit "funded the project up to the 60K level" relates to the KS project specifically, and indicates that the actual KS project will be funded by both the private investor in additions to us normal pledges. Or am I reading that wrong...?

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I've interpreted it a different way...

The project has reached £60K, but it's not on the KS page.

If you are going to put £60,000 into a project then you don't need KS to take £3,000. KS is about getting hundreds/thousands of backers, for a fee of 5% of the fund.

Even if the private backer was going to add £40,000, that would still be a £2,000 fee from KS, which would pay for a programmer for a month!

TGC are opening up another Funding channel, hopefully to redirect those who showed their loyalty through KS. This is a good thing, they could have said "we don't need you now", but TGC are quite aware of just how loyal their core community is.

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Quote: "Or am I reading that wrong...?"

you are reading it wrong, nobody can pledge 40000 pounds, max pledge is about 2000 pounds or something like that

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ah yes, it's £5,000 for a UK project, and only one transaction per person is allowed.

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