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Kezzla
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Posted: 12th Dec 2012 10:09
Hi all,
I just completed my First Dan Grading In Tang Soo Tao Karate. It's about the hardest challenge I have ever set for myself and it still hasn't sunk in yet.

This is only photo I have so far, but ill put some more up when I get them.


I'm the guy in the middle.

Action shots tend not to work so well with the speed of movement involved but ill try to get some that aren't blurry. Just gotta track down the people that were taking photos and get a copy of them.

I may now have a little more time for coding and following up on posts now that I can wind back my training a little for a little while before I start going hard at it again.

It's really big news in my life and figured I'd share It here.

kezzla

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Posted: 12th Dec 2012 10:21
Congratulations! I used to do Tae Kwon Do myself but stopped when it became too difficult to attend classes. I've recently been practicing by myself at home, still got a long way to go before I could call myself a martial artist again.

You wouldn't happen to be in Sydney would you? If so, I'd be happy to spar sometime.

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Posted: 12th Dec 2012 10:33
Thanks Hodgey, I'm in Queensland however if I ever am in Sydney then for sure I am up for catching up, training and a bit of sparring.

It is hard to make it to classes when you start getting more material hey, fitting in your own training, plus attending class plus working(my job has 10- 14hr night shifts) trying to get enough sleep, it is not easy to maintain.

good stuff on getting back into training. Martial arts is good for every aspect of life and I swear by it.

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Posted: 12th Dec 2012 11:10
Congratulations! I bet it's an awesome feeling.

I used to study Shotokan Karate and got to 1st kyu, I was almost ready for my 1st dan, stopped because I needed to spend more time studying and then went to Uni and had nowhere worthwhile to train.

Then my dad was a cheeky bugger and got his 1st dan. He's going for his 2nd next year. So I don't think we're evenly matched anymore, I suspect he'll beat the snot out of me now.

I really should get back into it, it was awesome. I remember gradings, they were a lot of fun, though I remember my 1st kyu was pretty intense.

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Quote: "I'm in Queensland however if I ever am in Sydney then for sure I am up for catching up, training and a bit of sparring."

Which part of Queensland? Absolutely, next time you're in town, let me know. Hopefully by then I'll be somewhat of a match for you.

What's the grading like in Tang Soo Tao Karate? In the institution that I was taught at, to progress through the coloured belts, all we had to do was master patterns. From black belt to 1st Dan, there was a special pattern and we had to break tiles. I think the next level required you to choreograph a fight and I haven't a clue what's after that.

Quote: "good stuff on getting back into training. Martial arts is good for every aspect of life and I swear by it."

Thanks, I need to do a lot more stretching as I can still feel a strong stretch when I do even basic kicks.

Now that you've moved up to 1st Dan, does that mean you get a black belt?

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Posted: 12th Dec 2012 11:52
thanks guys!

@sep:
thanks mate. good luck to your dad, second dan is a big step. let us know how he goes.
The gradings get pretty intense can't they. I had to run off and spew in more than one grading. it's somewhat of a badge of honor if you come straight back in and continue

@hodgey

I live in caloundra on the sunshine coast. Gradings in our school involve demonstrating movement concepts for the level, a new form(kata/pattern), a new technique combination, demonstration of basics(kicking and striking),breaking for later gradings, free sparing against opponents of lesser, equal and greater skill, fitness and character.

For first dan I had to demonstrate All forms and all technique combinations performed at first dan level. Then demonstration of all basics in all stances both singular and in random and increasingly difficult combination. This continues until you are exhausted, it makes no difference how fit you are, it keeps going until you are near spewing, then there is free sparing against 1 to 4 opponents all equal or superior increasing until the grading party is overwhelmed and no longer able to hold ground, then kicking break - front,left side-right side-back kick board break in one combination series. two board elbow break and concrete paver forehead break.

I will get my black belt at a ceremony in the near future. I look forward to it.

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Posted: 12th Dec 2012 12:38
Quote: "thanks mate. good luck to your dad, second dan is a big step. let us know how he goes.
The gradings get pretty intense can't they. I had to run off and spew in more than one grading. it's somewhat of a badge of honor if you come straight back in and continue"


No worries and cheers. I'm sure he'll do fine, the Shihan thought he was going for his 3rd, so I'm sure that's a good indication. Would be amusing if he did double grade.

I think the mistake I made for my 1st kyu was overtraining before going in. Whilst waiting for all the lower grades to go through we were in the gym practicing and also helping others practice, going through the syllabus. Forgetting that we'd need the energy for the grading itself. I think we held out pretty good, but I did get a bollocking for poor etiquette when going up for my kata, though the kata itself was fine. But hey, I was bloody exhausted by that point!

But damn does it feel good. Makes you less guilty about the McDonalds on the way home. I should really start again, my fitness sucks now and I doubt I could even swat a dead fly.

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Posted: 12th Dec 2012 12:39
SUPER CONGRATULATIONS BUDDY!

Now get coding!

I used to do TKD and Karate but... life catches up...

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Posted: 12th Dec 2012 22:03 Edited at: 12th Dec 2012 22:07
Quote: "concrete paver forehead break"

Thats the one that does it for me
I never actually went to Tae Kwon Do classes but had to learn to hold my own. My 'friends' were two blue belt brothers who would lurk in hallways/closets etc ready to jump out and beat the crap out of me any time I went into their house. I got pretty good at it eventually (I had to).
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Posted: 13th Dec 2012 00:22
Well done mate!

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Quote: "Action shots tend not to work so well with the speed of movement involved"


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Posted: 13th Dec 2012 01:30
Quote: "concrete paver forehead break"

That is the intimidating one. you have to add one paver for every additional dan you grade for. My instructor has a photo of him breaking three(there are no gaps, just one on top of the other). Just looking at that photo makes my head hurt.

Quote: "My 'friends' were two blue belt brothers who would lurk in hallways/closets etc ready to jump out and beat the crap out of me any time I went into their house. I got pretty good at it eventually (I had to). "

I have friends like that. junior members who are convinced I am unbreakable and take every opportunity to jump out and ambush me full gusto. they may be junior belt levels but their technique can still leave a mark and at worst break something.

Quote: "Action shots tend not to work so well with the speed of movement involved"


hehehe nice sequence, most people just use their phone camera's rather than fast exposure professional ones, so limbs tend to disappear a lot and flurries tend to disappear all together.

eg


I'm still waiting for photos.


Quote: "SUPER CONGRATULATIONS BUDDY!

Now get coding!

I used to do TKD and Karate but... life catches up... "

cheers mr V I intend to!
yeah, it does require a lot of time dedicated to it. I pretty much dropped everything else to get this far.

thanks for all the congrats guys!

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Posted: 13th Dec 2012 01:55
Quote: "That is the intimidating one. you have to add one paver for every additional dan you grade for. My instructor has a photo of him breaking three(there are no gaps, just one on top of the other). Just looking at that photo makes my head hurt."


Just thinking of that makes my head hurt

Sport mode camera shooting?

Man, I doubt I can get back into Martial Arts... least not anytime soon...

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Posted: 14th Dec 2012 16:20
Karate? Pfft, Krav Maga all the way!

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Posted: 15th Dec 2012 01:33
Quote: "Karate? Pfft, Krav Maga all the way!"

Sounds like a challenge. Let the TGC Martial Arts Tournament begin!

Quote: "For first dan I had to demonstrate All forms and all technique combinations performed at first dan level. Then demonstration of all basics in all stances both singular and in random and increasingly difficult combination. This continues until you are exhausted, it makes no difference how fit you are, it keeps going until you are near spewing, then there is free sparing against 1 to 4 opponents all equal or superior increasing until the grading party is overwhelmed and no longer able to hold ground, then kicking break - front,left side-right side-back kick board break in one combination series. two board elbow break and concrete paver forehead break."

On second thought, if you come to Sydney how about a game of pool instead?

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lol, krav maga is about more than just nut shots! But it is about taking out an opponent as quickly and effectively as possible.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2012 07:20
Quote: "lol, krav maga is about more than just nut shots!"

I didnt think you were serious.
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But it is about taking out an opponent as quickly and effectively as possible."


So is Tang Soo Tao. So is any martial art for that matter. It doesn't matter what It is called, it is all the same when done correctly.

I have seen a little demonstration of Krav Maga but not enough to speak about it, I like most of what I have seen.

I take it you practice Krav Maga?

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I did a little in the past. From what the instructors told me, krav maga doesn't have national tournaments like karate and other disciplines because it was designed to cripple or kill the enemy. So in a contest, karate might strike each other to earn points (or break some boards or whatever) but with krav we don't really do striking per say its more about breaking your arms, neck. etc. with counter-moves. I might not be the best at explaining it.

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Posted: 16th Dec 2012 02:48
I see. You are thinking of Sport Karate as apposed to the martial art Karate.

In the sport, of course safety is of high concern so any attack that equals crippling or death is blacklisted.

In karate we break boards to demonstrate speed and directness of the strikes energy. If your technique is slow the board will not break, if your energy is being directed all over the place it will not break, if your accuracy is crap you may break the fingers of the person holding it.
They are a training tool which gives you feedback on your technique.

In Tang Soo Tao techniques are designed to end the fight quickly using both hard and soft techniques.

I am not going to go into it because basically it is vulgar and in the untrained it feeds an ignorant mindset regarding any martial art.

Quote: "with krav we don't really do striking per say its more about breaking your arms, neck. etc. with counter-moves."


What you are saying sounds a lot like Tai Chi(Which is part of our Syllabus)
There is far more to karate than kicking and punching.

Like I said, any martial art done correctly is basically the same and all good.
Anyone who goes into a fight thinking that their opponent is inferior because of the style of martial art they practice is setting themselves up for a rude awakening.
"There is no superior martial art, only superior martial artists"

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Posted: 16th Dec 2012 09:59
We've learned some very deadly techniques and how to break people's bones, naturally those moves are illegal when it comes to sparring or competition. I remember learning how to stop a Samurai from unsheathing his sword, crippling him and then ending his miserable life...can't see many real world applications, but it was a good way to practice the bunkai for the kata, Tekki Shodan.

In our style there's a huge emphasis on control, when we spar we have it so all moves are just about touching the opponent, one: to not injure them and two: to have complete control over your techniques, so if you do ever have to use them outside of the dojo you have much more control over the situation, rather than just running in and breaking every bone in the attacker's body.

Quote: "In karate we break boards to demonstrate speed and directness of the strikes energy. If your technique is slow the board will not break, if your energy is being directed all over the place it will not break, if your accuracy is crap you may break the fingers of the person holding it."


Also, wear gloves that cover the whole of your fist...that's how I got the scars on my knuckles. Still, I broke through the board.



And of course martials are very much an art form, particularly with things like kata, I love doing them. This was my grading kata:


I know there's flashier looking styles out there, but I love Shotokan because it's about technique and form rather than looking impressive.

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Posted: 16th Dec 2012 17:53
@sepp
It is really interesting watching that video. I can see the origin of many of our pyan ahn forms. Tang so Tao was born from Shotokan.

do you guys do the animal forms too? Bassai ee cho and Nihangi Cho dan for provisional black?

bassai is a very interesting form, and nearly every school that does it has a completely unique take on it.

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We have a kata called Bassai Dai and one called Bassai Sho, though we tend not to really think in animal forms, yes we have cat-foot stance (neko-achi dachi) and horse stance (kiba dachi). Gankaku might be another exception as it translates to 'Crane on a Rock'.



Bassai Dai is the kata needed for 2nd kyu in my association. I don't know if it's related to any of your Bassai forms, but this is Bassai Dai:



And Bassai Sho:


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Not trying to say one is better than the other. But I think krav is less about an art form than any other discipline.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2012 03:56 Edited at: 17th Dec 2012 04:02
@sep: Bassai dai is pretty much the form we do. we have a different last line however. I was trying to find a version online close to ours to show you, yours is the closest version to ours i have seen.

After first dan as far as i know all of our forms are animal forms. I guess that is the kungfu influence on our school. A Karate practitioner moved to china to learn shoulin kungfu, then came back to korea and applied its technique to karate. This is the origin of Tang Soo Tao.

Quote: "Not trying to say one is better than the other. But I think krav is less about an art form than any other discipline."

@phalax - The art is in the movement, but I see what you are saying. I don't know enough about Krav to make a judgement.


Kata or forms are about taking practical and effective martial movement and refining it to a theoretically and aesthetically beautiful performance(hence the multiple applications of the word art). not all schools do this, however it is a great way to build up repetition of techniques.
1000 correct repetitions - basic competence
10,000 correct repetitions - proficiency
100,000 correct repetitions - Mastery

You need to ingrain the movement into your muscle memory in order for it to come out correctly when thrown without thought. Each technique is stacked like a pyramid build upon thousands of correct repetitions.
The kata combine repetition practice, meditation, intent, cardio, movement and at the same time can demonstrate a students skill and understanding of the artform.

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Posted: 21st Dec 2012 03:14
I came across this on youtube:




Definitely takes a level of precision, but maybe you guys can explain something to me. Why do all the boards break perfectly even? Pretty sure would splinters, and unless you use a saw nothing is going to break a board so cleanly. Not a foot or fist.

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Posted: 21st Dec 2012 08:02
the boards will break along the grain, They do splinter a little. so wherever the grain goes the split goes.

I can see why you are suspicious of that video. I call shenanigans on some of those breaks, look at 1:50 and the board is clearly glued and weak along the join. Makes me wonder about all of those breaks when you see one like that. Definitely nice precision kicking and acrobatics.

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Posted: 21st Dec 2012 09:20 Edited at: 21st Dec 2012 09:20
The video is pretty impressive looking, but I am with Kezzla, it looks like the boards may have been weakened or glued - perhaps for the sake of the video. I think a perfect split is plausible, but the video does look a wee bit suspicious.

There are also board made of a hard plastic that slide and lock in together, which have the same strength of wooden boards but are re-useable as they don't technically break. Guess it saves trees and all that.

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