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Geek Culture / What happens when you can't prove that patents have been infringed?

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Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 16th Dec 2012 01:19
I have always wondered what would happen in a circumstance where a company has patented a technology, and then another company uses that technology, but in a way that the company to which the patent belongs can't prove that the second company has indeed infringed upon that patent.

So for example, Intel has began to release products with their new tri-grate MOSFET technology, and it seems to have huge advantages over the regular planar MOSFETs. Now, in the hypothetical situation that Intel patented this technology (I'm sure they have, any reasonable company would) and AMD wanted to use the technology, how would Intel be able to prove that AMD was using this tri-gate technology in the event of a patent infringement lawsuit? The transistors are so small and buried under so many interconnect layers that it would be impossible to get access to them in order to photograph them with a microscope without destroying them. Now I don't see this happening, both companies seem pretty cool and mature and such lawsuits between them don't seem likely, but this is a great example of lawsuits regarding patent infringement where one can't necessarily prove that the patent was indeed infringed upon.

Another great instance of this type of thing would be software. Say a company had patented some software algorithm, and then another company comes along and uses the algorithm. How would the first company prove that the second company was using their patented technology, assuming the second company's software was closed source and proprietary?

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MrValentine
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Posted: 16th Dec 2012 02:00
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/2009/20091112corp_a.htm

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10396188-92.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel#Lawsuits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel#Anti-competitive_allegations

I cannot be bothered to list AMDs... but found simply enough...

Often, most technologies are made public material, and major products have their whitepapers etc published... and often you need to publish such documentation outlining the products details and build... to top it off, developers need to know what they are playing with to utilise the products full potential...

Not doing so, kind of defeats the point of embedding a technology... and somebody will find it simply by probing the device...

I could be wrong however

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Posted: 18th Dec 2012 01:11
Someone at AMD could rat out to intel. AMD could then be required to provide any and all design documents to the court.

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Posted: 18th Dec 2012 01:51
If it is patented in the USA it is laid out in endless detail. Nothing hidden can be patented. The patent office either has a copy of the design or there is no patent.

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Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 18th Dec 2012 03:09
Ah required to provide information! Is that actually a legal requirement? Can't companies keep their own information confidential? Or does that simply not apply in a court case?

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Posted: 18th Dec 2012 12:29
Quote: "Ah required to provide information! Is that actually a legal requirement? Can't companies keep their own information confidential? Or does that simply not apply in a court case?
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It's not a legal requirement. You don't have to patent something. The whole point of the patent system is to entice companies and people to put inventions out there so future generations can improve and build on them. However, if you wanna keep your invention super secret and use it for yourself, you certainly can.

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Posted: 18th Dec 2012 18:39
Quote: "The whole point of the patent system is to entice companies and people to put inventions out there so future generations can improve and build on them."


http://www.google.com/patents?id=T2QKAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Posted: 18th Dec 2012 20:43
I think it's wonderful that anybody can submit a patent. Having frivolous patents is not the problem. The problem is (in the US) in the legal system being too expensive for the person who is in the right, and the fact that patents are good for wayyy too long.

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Posted: 19th Dec 2012 00:04
Ah, I was asking if it's a legal requirement to show the design documents in a court case.

Also, comet, your hat is epic.

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