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Geek Culture / Google not obliged to delete data, rules EU lawyer

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Nickydude
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Posted: 25th Jun 2013 16:57
Quote: "Google cannot be obliged to delete sensitive information from its search index, a key adviser to the European Court of Justice has said. Mr Jaaskinen took the view that Google was "not generally to be considered as a controller of the personal data appearing on web pages it processes".

"Therefore, a national data protection authority cannot require an internet search engine provider to withdraw information from its index," he wrote.

He added that this meant users would not be able to invoke "a general right to be forgotten... against search engine service providers"."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23044809

so, Google can gather all sorts of information about you and there's nothing you can do about it. :/

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Posted: 25th Jun 2013 18:05 Edited at: 25th Jun 2013 18:24
Weren't these unprotected WiFi networks? If so then you're freely broadcasting your data to the world and I agree with the decision.

Edit: Okay ignore me, I thought this was something completely different! I'll read the article in future.


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Posted: 25th Jun 2013 18:21
Quote: "Weren't these unprotected WiFi networks? If so then you're freely broadcasting your data to the world and I agree with the decision."



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Posted: 25th Jun 2013 18:25
I agree too. It's up to the controllers/owners of data to ensure restricted data is not accessible to unauthorised users, search engines, etc.
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Posted: 25th Jun 2013 18:44
Cool, hopefully this means they can't remove links to illegal material anymore.



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Posted: 25th Jun 2013 20:32
Quote: "He added that this meant users would not be able to invoke "a general right to be forgotten..."

If you published your personal information in the web - it's your own wittingly fault.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2013 21:11
Unless you're an absolute tool who sends funds to Nigerian Kings, the only things you're stuck with are dumb forum posts from times past, (Dear God they hurt!) and dumb Facebook statuses...

How much is Google going to collect on you that isn't menial, frivolous trivia? Your love of Star Wars, teddy bears and whatever else you search is only of interest so they can start targeting Yoda Furbies at you.
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Posted: 26th Jun 2013 00:50 Edited at: 26th Jun 2013 01:52
Quote: "How much is Google going to collect on you that isn't menial, frivolous trivia?"
I guess that depends on what you post online, the problem isn't google indexing this info but access to it by other parties, the data protection act applies only to those that must adhere to it and if you give information freely online you only have yourself to blame.
It does save investigative departments within Police,FBI, CIA etc a lot work when they don't have to visit your neighbors to find what kind of character you are when they can find everything they want to know online, straight from the horse's mouth, and even something innocent can be twisted against you by those who want to prosecute/persecute for whatever reason.
Everyone used to be shocked by the idea of Big Brother and here they are creating the foundation for it themselves, you cant rant about privacy when your stupid enough to post details for the world to see. The irony is that the world couldn't care less what your current status is and the belief that anyone gives a toss is deluded, but one day it can all come back and bite you hard.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2013 01:09
Quote: "and dumb Facebook statuses"

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Posted: 26th Jun 2013 02:24
WE ARE WATCHING YOU. MUAAHAHAHAHA

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Posted: 26th Jun 2013 10:33 Edited at: 27th Jun 2013 04:48
Quote: "the only things you're stuck with are dumb forum posts from times past, (Dear God they hurt!)"

Yes.

Quote: "so, Google can gather all sorts of information about you and there's nothing you can do about it. :/"

As has been commented, you shouldn't post information you want to remain private. When you have an idea/think of something, or whatever other private moment, and you share it with anyone you're effectively allowing this information to escape that privacy. From what I've gathered, this case is about outdated information too. I took that to mean the information available is not of much significance anyway (and shouldn't be, because it was posted).

Admittedly I only skimmed the article so I'm possibly wrong about the data being posted, but the argument still applies in that case.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Orwell's 1984 yet. (Though, Chris Tate's comment could be viewed as a possible but obscure reference, I suppose.)

Edits: Fixed grammatical (and semantic) mistakes.
Further Edit: I missed the "Big Brother" comment above. Looks like there was a 1984 reference!

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Posted: 26th Jun 2013 13:38
What Google is doing is somewhat analogous to a person taking pictures with a camera in public. There's nothing wrong with it (well, unless you're in America and you're a male, but that's something for a later discussion).

I'm skeptical nonetheless. How do I know google isn't leaking information to other organizations?

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Posted: 26th Jun 2013 14:20
Quote: " How do I know google isn't leaking information to other organizations?"


You should be skeptical! Google is telling people you like ponies!

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Posted: 26th Jun 2013 17:24
Quote: "How do I know google isn't leaking information to other organizations?"

Google is a search engine. It's not leaking the information, it's giving it away freely, and always has.

People seem to be under the misguided opinion that the information they post online is protected. It's not. As soon as you post it, it's visible to the entire world, regardless of your facebook privacy settings.

People do not realize this and get all angry when they discover they are wrong, like the whole world owes them their privacy. But they don't realise that if they want information to remain private, don't post it on public forums!

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Posted: 26th Jun 2013 17:34
actually, im very exciting about hearing that news about google.
i respected the google since it started, i followed it on most of their products and yeah i got also android phone

i know that lots of companies wants to have some money of google and trying to sue to get some of it. and im happy that google still stands on his feet and the justice still stands besides google.

and i know that ppl dont like that their personal information goes to google, but i trust their policy and their security
and besides, if you dont want that your personal info be leaked, then dont post it on the web.. thats all

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Posted: 26th Jun 2013 18:23
Interesting thread. I took it as the data illegally gathered through doing it's Street Map so once Google has it, it can keep it but you're right in that if you post something online intentionally then it's there for all to see.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2013 22:02
As far as the government using Google to dish out on you? Well, that's happening with or without your consent, apparently.

I always take it that a someone who wants to know will Google my name or alias, so I endeavour to make it so they don't find anything intensely incriminating. It also kinda helps that I don't have any illegal hobbies, I suppose.
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Posted: 26th Jun 2013 23:51 Edited at: 27th Jun 2013 00:50
Quote: "I took it as the data illegally gathered through doing it's Street Map so once Google has it, it can keep it but you're right in that if you post something online intentionally then it's there for all to see."
Google map has always disturbed me, its pretty cool but in the wrong hands can be abused. When you can use search engines to get info such as name,address,age,income and even family connections, then use the map to drop right onto the street to view their home, it can be seen as nothing less than a stalkers paradise. All you need is a name and general location.

It's known that certain posts made in a joking manner will result in flagging you to certain paranoid government authorities who seem unable to discern between wit and malicious intent. Here in the States you will be detained and held in a cell to be interrogated and promptly stuck on the first plane home next day if you happen to post anything even slightly threatening security before departing on holiday.
It is requisite to give three days notice to homeland security before heading to the States or UK and this gives them time to check you out.

Young people use words such as 'destroy' to mean 'have a fantastic time' and coupled with the name of said country will flag you and you will likely never be gaining entry without official approval for the rest of your life. It does make me wonder if perhaps some agencies are stepping way over the boundary in their efforts to 'catch' any 'undesirables' before they even touch soil, particularly ironic when said agencies will welcome with open arms the worst elements when they claim refugee status.

This inability to discern between a joke and actual threat caught by hash tagging may one day result in more than spoiling your holiday when your comment may be of "indecent, obscene, or menacing character" and with the news that older data wouldn't be deleted it may already be too late for some.

Being healthily paranoid and a bit boring I have always been careful when posting on the internet where I have no control over its interpretation or removal. Just because you delete it yourself doesn't mean it's removed from the server. This goes even more so for those who like to 'Tweet' or 'Facebook' where you post thoughts straight off the top of your head without thinking.

Quote: "I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Orwell's 1984 yet"

Quote: "Everyone used to be shocked by the idea of Big Brother and here they are creating the foundation for it themselves"
I wasn't referring to the TV show.

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Posted: 27th Jun 2013 01:15 Edited at: 27th Jun 2013 01:19
Quote: "People seem to be under the misguided opinion that the information they post online is protected. It's not. As soon as you post it, it's visible to the entire world, regardless of your facebook privacy settings."


I think we aren't on the same page.

Google stores information about what *you* search for, what *you* look at on youtube, what blogs *you* connect to, and what other websites *you* connect to. It also uses cookies to track things *you* do that aren't directly affiliated with google.

This isn't information that should be publicly available at all. Sure, they use it to help find things you're interested in, but like Thraxas said, we can't have everyone knowing I like ponies, unless of course I personally make that information available (which I have).

This is what I'm worried about. Google giving this kind of information to other organizations such as Amazon, or Ebay, or worse, so they can start puzzling together who you are and what you like.

This information should be protected and kept hidden, or at least anonymous enough so no one else can track it down to you.

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Posted: 27th Jun 2013 01:53 Edited at: 27th Jun 2013 02:49
Quote: "This isn't information that should be publicly available at all."

I agree, however,we want a free access, uncensored internet then we want it to be controlled....by whom?
Knowledge/information brings money and power...so it's open to abuse...it's up to the individual to ensure it's not used against them.
Many would argue "If you have nothing to hide..." and this will ensure not much really changes concerning data collection.
The web is new enough to have sucked in everyone and at the same time the rules have been unclear as it's developed into what it is.


I feel that google or anyone putting anything on my computer, cookies or otherwise, should be illegal.But pretty sure you will find that YOU agreed to accept them when you signed up whatever browser or sites you use. Always read the small print...it's too easy to skip it when online.
How do you control other countries where its unenforceable. Unless you believe in the idea of New World Order, which would in fact have the effect desired anyway....cover your butt and get savvy is the only way to approach it.


If enough people used alternatives which have stricter data protection policies or refused to sign up with those that don't, then others would follow suit and google may have nothing to store.
Cant think of any other way to cure it and don't believe it will happen.

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Posted: 27th Jun 2013 17:27
Quote: "You should be skeptical! Google is telling people you like ponies!"


Fact stranger than fiction? A quick Google found the following on this link

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/88739/1/the-pony-ponies-of-pony/twilights-comet

Quote: "It was a warm midsummer eve and Twilight Sparke was at the old castle in Canterlot. The Purple unicorn had climbed its roof and stood now at the top of it, looking down at the courtyard. She hade brought her telescope with her, and placed it right on the brick tiles, securing it with a bit of string. Hopefully it would not fall down. Twilight adjusted the lence and pointed the telescope to the sky, where the famous comet would pass in the middle of the night. She desperately wanted to see it. The comet only appeared once in a hundred years, and she could not stand the thought of missing out om it.

"Twilight! Be careful!" shouted Fluttershy, safely on the ground. "Don´t fall down!"
"


[Aside: should I be worried about this new interest in ponies?]
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Posted: 27th Jun 2013 21:02
Quote: "[Aside: should I be worried about this new interest in ponies?]"


It's filed next to Earth under "Mostly Harmless," don't worry.

As far as the, "if you have nothing to hide," everyone does to some degree. Innocent things in the grand scheme that they wouldn't want getting out. A crippling fear of something absolutely silly, a drunken picture or act, all those tiny things that most people can relate to, but are something that can be sharpened and used against you by the wrong parties, (or that's how you feel about it.)
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Posted: 27th Jun 2013 22:48
Quote: "[Aside: should I be worried about this new interest in ponies?]"


No

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