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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 8th Aug 2013 19:52 Edited at: 8th Aug 2013 19:55
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So here is a start for my first blender created head, If any one knows blender and has used it a lot any critic or know how would be nice.

I have learned all the tools but want to know any tricks or modifiers I do not know about. Any help with any know how on anything would be nice,thank you guys.



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Posted: 8th Aug 2013 20:05 Edited at: 8th Aug 2013 20:06
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you might wanna - restart
currently what you got is going in the wrong direction

modelling a human face might sound easy but it is one of the hardest parts at the end
why simply because a head consists of multiple parts
and a nose/ eye/ ear might make your head model look human
but there are other things you need to think about
topology is one of those

and as you use blender
just start with wards Tutorial series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw5BPBJYDAk

btw isnt this actually the wrong forum to post?
as TGC has a Forum - mainly for 3d wip stuff and so on
its called 3Dimensional Chat
in the case you missed it http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_read&i=3

anyways, take a look at the Blender Tutorial
and dont get angry or confused
Modelling just takes time
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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 8th Aug 2013 20:43
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lol, I guess you do not know who I am, I have been modeling for years, I know how to model,just not in blender, thanks for your help any how.

Here is my restart, I have fond some tools I did not know exists.




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Posted: 8th Aug 2013 21:14
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Quote: "lol, I guess you do not know who I am.."


guess i didnt know this was a p*** contest

anyways, try the W key when you are in edit mode
it opes up a panel that contains some usefull stuff such as
Bridge EdgeLoops - this one can be used make a bridge between edges
and would speed up your workflow in-general

another thing for fast switching between
vertex/ edge/ face - selection
press ctrl+TAB

well am done here, i pointed you to a usefull tutorial
and thats it
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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 8th Aug 2013 21:20
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Quote: "guess i didnt know this was a p*** contest "


Its not, for the most part I was just kidding around, It was funny for you to treat me like a nobe is all, so I laughed at it, no offense.

Thank you for the tips, I will do this now.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2013 22:07
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He is right though - the first model was a complete mess in about every possible aspect, the new model seems to be doing in the right direction though



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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 8th Aug 2013 23:38
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Yes I know he was right, at first I was lost in blender, but then I found my way and here is a better look at my progress, I still need to practice in blender more, but for a beginner in blender,its not to bad.



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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 00:42 Edited at: 9th Aug 2013 01:03
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And one more to show, I will look at the tutt now, thank you.

Edit, I looked at that video and he is box modeling, I do not box model,I use planes then extrude. But he did explain a lot of the tolls and how to find them, so thanks for that.



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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 04:14 Edited at: 9th Aug 2013 04:39
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one of my favorite tools is the dynamic spacebar menu control you can enable in user preferences.
inset polygon,
automerge editing,
ctrl e - edge slide,
ctrl t - triangulate face,
ctrl r - loop cut and slide
ctrl m - merge
ctrl j - join
ctrl f - make edge/face
are all handy.

later on once you get beyond the base mesh, multires, solidify, and shrink wrap modifiers are all great.

also note: when subdividing an edge, make sure you check quad/tri mode on the left side panel to avoid creating ngons

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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 04:36
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Quote: "and shrink wrap modifiers are all great"


How do you do a uv map? am I missing something? or do I have to unwrap in another program ?

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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 04:45 Edited at: 9th Aug 2013 04:46
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to uv map, in edit mode select all verts and then ctrl u will give an unwrap menu. there are several auto and projection modes, or if you want full manual control, you can define seams on selected edges with ctrl e - mark seam.

you can then work with the map in the uv/image editor panel. you can switch an existing panel to a different panel type or drag out a new one from the little control points in the corners of mot panels. i usually swap out the outliner in top right of screen

press n to bring up another useful properties panel on right side of viewport, has a lot of dynamic controls relevant to whatever is actively selected

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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 05:13
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I did what you said and nothing happened, all that happened was at the top, there was some writing then well,nothing,I looked to the side, and there a bunch of options for unwrap, but no editor, I AM LOST.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 05:21 Edited at: 9th Aug 2013 05:21
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do you see where it says view, search, all scenes in top right corner of the screen. just left of this is a select box, this will let you choose between panels. the image editor will be an option in the pull down

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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 05:42
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found it, but not many options, well, no options, just the map.

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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 05:59
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Ok, found it all,just can not move my uv map.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 06:25
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hold alt while holding left-click to drag

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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 07:15
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Quote: "hold alt while holding left-click to drag"


I am but all it does is select different parts of the uv.

Sorry if I am being a bug.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 07:36 Edited at: 9th Aug 2013 07:45
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Oh hmm, try dragging with the middle mouse button... or whatever control you use to move the view about a model in the viewport.

I remember now that alt + left drag is not a default, but only works when you enable 'emulate 3button mouse' in preferences, which I do prefer. I'm also pretty bad about setting up custom controls and then using them so long that I sometimes forget what is custom and what is default.

It's no worry, Blender isn't always the most intuitive at first glance, though once you get to know it, everything really does have a pretty consistent logic in it's own way, and overall the software is well worth the trouble to learn.

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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 08:32
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Well, For now I could not figure it out,so I unwrapped the head in another program and this is what I got so far, for my first real model in blender I like it myself.

Thank you for your help.





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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 16:24
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i would say that there is too much jaw continuing down below the beard, or rther the beard texture is mapped too high on the jaw. also the texture resolution of the hat seems much lower than that of the face, causeing them to not fit well with each other visually

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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 9th Aug 2013 19:54
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Quote: "i would say that there is too much jaw continuing down below the beard, or rather the beard texture is mapped too high on the jaw. also the texture resolution of the hat seems much lower than that of the face, causing them to not fit well with each other visually"


Yea, this was a fast texture, nothing permanent yet, just to see how the face will look with textures.Thanks for your help guys.

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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 10th Aug 2013 04:57
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Zombies



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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 09:33
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So I took a real good tutt on blender, one of the best ever, and this is the result, please, critic.









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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 09:54
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And the blender render, thanks for looking



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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 21:04
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I learned how to projection paint in blender, here are the results.










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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 21:16 Edited at: 12th Aug 2013 21:20
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you've got a workable topology and a definite improvement but you could still use some more study of proportion and form. traditional drawing/sketching references will help with this. also, try viewing the model in orthographic as well as perspective mode, flip between them often and you will get a more complete feel for how the model actually looks.

at first glance the mouth seems wide, but i think it is actually ok on width, the problem is that the corners need to be pulled back some, so that it wraps the face, it is currently mostly planar on the x axis.

the eyes ARE too wide, and also need to have the outer corners pull back, just as the mouth.

as for the render, you should look into a good clay material and lighting setup, it really makes a difference in presentation from using the defaults. even just toning down the spec power and hardness will help make it more matte and allow a better view of detail and form.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 21:51
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Quote: "at first glance the mouth seems wide, but i think it is actually ok on width, the problem is that the corners need to be pulled back some,"


Yea, I know, I just saw this my self, well, after you pointed it out lol.

The shape is the best I could do at the time as my middle mouse button does not work. So rotating Is hard to do, I have to use the z button.

I will work on all you said, thank you.

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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 13th Aug 2013 03:05
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The finished head, ready for animation, remember, it is low poly.



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Posted: 13th Aug 2013 06:43 Edited at: 13th Aug 2013 06:43
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my middle mouse is a scroll wheel that also pushes for a click, i find it awkward to use as a button and avoid it. if you enable 'emulate three button mouse' in preferences, you can rotate using alt + left mouse. i like that much better.

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Posted: 13th Aug 2013 07:08
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Quote: "my middle mouse is a scroll wheel that also pushes for a click, i find it awkward to use as a button and avoid it. if you enable 'emulate three button mouse' in preferences, you can rotate using alt + left mouse. i like that much better."


I will do this now,thank you for the tip.

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