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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Cleaning up the showcase board?

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Wolf
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Posted: 30th Aug 2013 20:51
Hey guys!

Suppose you are interested in gamecreation and you read that FPSC is a great starting point to get into it. Now you click through the forums and you might first check out the WiP section. here you'll find a lot of people working on different games with different levels of quality. There are maybe half a dozen games there that look far better than what you expected FPSC capable of. you'll find videos, demos, screenshots and people giving feedback! It all looks pretty cool and you might decide to buy FPSC.

Now, suppose you click on the showcase board and you'll see a mess of locked threads, people batantly ignoring posting guidelines and quite a few games with minimal effort put in. I don't want to sound elitist but there is a difference between being new and unexperienced or simply not a talented game maker and simply not caring and throwing in a bunch of guns and enemies from the editor. I don't know if a minimum of quality requirment would be a good idea and who'd be in charge of that. I even suppose its a really bad idea but something should be done here because all these threads misrepresent the software.

With the release of FPSCR being so soon this might not be the best publicity.

I think it would already help a lot if a mod would delete some of the locked threads?

I know what kind of truely bad games are released by the truckload on indiedb and I'd hate to see that trend settle in here.
Just throwing this out there. What do you guys think would be a good solution if this can be solved at all?



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ncmako
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Posted: 30th Aug 2013 21:32
Quote: "I think it would already help a lot if a mod would delete some of the locked threads"

Yes I agree, not only WIP but also the other boards as well. Especially the one's that have nothing to offer or useful info.
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Posted: 31st Aug 2013 01:04
I'd agree on all points really.

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Posted: 31st Aug 2013 02:59 Edited at: 31st Aug 2013 03:01
I agree. But I don't know if I am one of those users

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BlackFox
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Posted: 31st Aug 2013 07:36 Edited at: 31st Aug 2013 08:14
Quote: "I don't know if a minimum of quality requirment would be a good idea and who'd be in charge of that. I even suppose its a really bad idea but something should be done here because all these threads misrepresent the software. "


The requirements for posting in the Showcase thread have always been made available in this thing called a sticky located here. People just tend to not see them.

Quote: "I know what kind of truely bad games are released by the truckload on indiedb and I'd hate to see that trend settle in here.
Just throwing this out there. What do you guys think would be a good solution if this can be solved at all?"


Let the moderators handle it? I'm certain they can figure it out without a bunch of forum dwellers running around with pitchforks. I do agree that having locked and pointless threads in the showcase may not be appealing, but I am certain it will get cleaned up at some point. Moderators have lives too and can't drop everything to keep FPSC in a nice, clean, happy environment.

Maybe since Rick is quality control, perhaps he may want to come up with a solution...

Or maybe people should learn to notice the stickies posted in the different sections. After all, how can one miss a thread titled "!!! Rules of the FPSCreator Showcase Board. !!!" that has been there for a long time. They exist for a reason (case in point, this discussion).


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Posted: 31st Aug 2013 13:37
I agree! MAybe we need some more mods. I think they are not very often in this forum.

I would do it, but I didn“t know where I can apply for it.

Make this forum to something a little bit better and release more stuff. So we can push the Request/NoobHelp threads aside.
uman
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Posted: 31st Aug 2013 15:23 Edited at: 31st Aug 2013 15:24
Wolf and everyone else. Thanks for you comments.

The Games Showcase issue has already been raised by me with other Moderators and so you can be assured that it will be considered at some time in more depth or not as they decide.

Currently in the light of FPSCR then some things may change as to Forum structure and various Boards or not again as is decided primarily in that instance by TGC and others. I personally have no information or am not privy as to TGC thinking or any plans they may have for any Forum detail regarding FPSCR or Classic as it now stands and how the two products may or will be integrated or not in respect of the whole of the TGC forums. I am not sure they are at that stage or even given it any thought as of Yet. i.e. I have no idea what Plans TGC have. I am sure they will consult with Mods and any others or not at some stage as to their preferences and so on.

Clearly they will want to manage any FPSCR relatively at a high level of quality relative to classic all round I would presume.

For your information Mods are always around and watching the forums.

They do not though these days post, comment or intervene perhaps as often as in the past and that is a judgement thing to only do so when absolutely necessary and give users some freedom to get on and enjoy the forums without constant Moderator intervention or presence being apparent.

As to the question of solving the issue of what Mods and possibly some or all users may see as inappropriate threads and content in the Showcase board or any forum board then I can assure you that can be solved either by myself or any other Mod quickly and efficiently by somewhat stricter control of whats allowed to be posted and those that do not follow guidelines that are in place now or in the future.

That however will as always bring various levels of a complaints from some users at least and you have seen it all before not that such concerns me or others moderators too much as they have a job to do and have always done it to the best of their ability and they can do no more than that.

The FPSC forums are relatively well behaved these days for the most part but you can be assured that Mods are here watching and are also in constant contact and considering many things.

As said this issue has already been brought to The Whole Moderators group attention and will be revisited again in the light of Reloaded I am sure.

Whatever happens as always someone will not be Happy but that's just life and can't please everyone all of the time.

I thank Wolf and you all for raising this question and hope that any concerns will be addressed in due course appropriately.



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seppgirty
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Posted: 31st Aug 2013 15:54
I thought that was what the "BEST OF THE BEST" thread was for. To showcase the best games made with FPSC and the rest were in the finished thread.

I do agree about some of the locked threads though. The ones that were locked as punishment should be deleted.

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KeithC
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Posted: 31st Aug 2013 16:26
I agree as well; I've been slacking there lately, and need to be more proactive.

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rolfy
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Posted: 31st Aug 2013 22:06
After the showcase board was cleared out it is a lot more glaring when locked threads are left sitting there. I understand the reasoning that a locked thread should sit a while to give the poster a chance to see why it was locked. But have never really understood why locked threads seem to be forgotten about and continue to sit there for such a long time.


Maybe a policy of immediately deleting and not locking the useless threads posted in Showcase would ensure it doesn't become bloated again.
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Posted: 1st Sep 2013 00:53
I think if the useless threads are just deleted, those who don't read the rules will think it disappeared and post it again, or start posting "where did it go" threads in the showcase. It's a foum and it's going to happen.

The only answer I can think of is to make the Showcase an "approved" area where each thread must be approved to appear. Of course that means more work for the poor MOD who has that area, if it can even be done.

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uman
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Posted: 1st Sep 2013 03:39
Just a little reminder as this is currently topical and prominent here, for those that insist on not reading and abiding with any rules included in the relevant Stickies with particular reference to WIP or Showcase thread submissions notwithstanding any other boards too.....

and in further comment to concerns here.....

Sooner or later if persistent and continuous disregard for the rules is in danger of setting a precedent or otherwise contributing to the degradation of the forum boards and enjoyment for all, then action will be taken to curtail such infringements of the rules or reinstate sensible and reasonable behaviour.

I understand that under the current circumstances that there are numerous new members of late and perhaps more to come, however in keeping with tradition here the rules will be enforced and strictly if necessary from time to time by Moderators when things get out of hand.

All of you longer serving members will be aware of this but new members perhaps not so.

To those that do not respect the rules which are there for a purpose which have been crafted by evolution to address issue which have been and are prevalent and have been ongoing at these FPSC boards in particular....

If you do not read the stickies and or break the rules and do not heed Moderators requests to refrain from doing so then you cannot complain when action of some form or another which will inevitably follow sooner or later to curtail your activities takes place.

Please follow the rules regarding the WIP and Showcase boards

If you do not then action will be taken to enforce the rules.

If and when Reloaded is released any existing or new rules for posting in any WIP or Showcase board should be carefully followed to provide a Happy Chappy environment too for all users of these boards.

The Forums are for the enjoyment of all so please have some concern for your fellow users and consider your postings and their content.

I thank you all for your co-operation and happy game making.



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Posted: 1st Sep 2013 11:07
Quote: "I think they are not very often in this forum."


I visit every day. I just don't post as much as I used to.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2013 00:15
I think threads created on the showcase bored should be reviewed by moderators before being published publicly. That will allow consistency in quality of threads. I barely visit the showcase bored because nearly everything is basically a locked thread.

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BlackFox
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Posted: 12th Sep 2013 12:06
Quote: "I think threads created on the showcase bored should be reviewed by moderators before being published publicly. That will allow consistency in quality of threads."


If you are going to suggest this, you may as well suggest it on the other areas as well. For example, how many times have we seen good threads in Product Chat, Models and Media, or even in Scripts get bumped over silly (*useless*) threads? Lots, and yet it still happens. There is no point in giving moderators more work on their plate, considering they volunteer their time and have busy lives. I can just imagine the backlog of posts they could receive and have to sort through. What if one slips through? What if more than one slips through? Moderators should not have to go to this extreme really.

All it takes is for people to recognize there are some key things in a forum. One is a thing called stickies which contain pertinent information. There is one in the showcase thread that explains what is expected when posting there. Stickies that are outlined with the !!! means they contain valuable and important information the user may need to know and should read. The second thing is to actually read them.

But that would be done in a perfect world...


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Posted: 12th Sep 2013 19:31
Apart from locking inappropriate threads or taking some other kind of action against users who break the rules which is not normally done without good reason then there's not a lot that can be done at this time.

We don't normally delete threads unless there's a seriously good reason for doing so for a variety of other reasons.

A lot of reasoning

Thus we can crack down by locking threads not meeting stringent criteria but little else unless we take somewhat more severe action which may happen if there are constant repeats by individual users.

When Reloaded comes around things may change and you will have to wait to see how that pans out. I have no idea specifically at this stage but presume that TGC will wish to maintain any forum Board where Reloaded games are Show Cased at a relatively high standard.

Many users may by then well be using Reloaded and not classic so bear that in mind.



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