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AppGameKit Classic Chat / Has anyone had any problems upgrading to Windows 8?

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ThrOtherJoJo
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Posted: 30th Apr 2014 20:34 Edited at: 30th Apr 2014 22:48
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I'm using Eclipse Indigo and Juno, Ndk release r8d, java jdk 7 and Visual Studio. 2008.

Everything else is the latest release.

I'm using Tier 2, but I'm curious about the Tier 1 users as well.

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you might have troubble finding visual studio 2008 again, as far as I know the downloads for both 2008 and 10 have been removed by mircrosoft but if you can get them, there should be no issues. I have had no issues using AppGameKit on windows 8.

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My intern has frequent issues with AppGameKit programs in Windows 8.1. Sometimes they run just fine, sometimes they crash. We've not been able to determine the issue. Maybe we can when the debugger comes out.

We also have intermittent issues with Eclipse.

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Thanks guys!

@Naphier
Which version of Eclipse are you using?

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Posted: 1st May 2014 02:32
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Whatever came in the new ADT bundle. Not sure version number or anything.
On my windows 7 machine I'm using
Quote: "Version: Kepler Service Release 1
Build id: 20130919-0819"
which works 100% OK for me. I do think it is the same version in the ADT bundle, but I'm not 100% sure.

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I've been working with VS 2010 Express, and it has worked well for me.

I am still using v10819 and hesitate to move up as my WIP is working just fine with it.

I do use the batch file to do the build for Android and then Eclipse to package it. And have had that work well as well.

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I only use Tier 1 and have not had any problems with it. Although in win 8.1 I've noticed that I cannot run some people's projects... :/ No idea why, and it's not all of them either.

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OK... so my intern re-installed AppGameKit 10821 and it works perfectly fine now... No clue why it didn't before and we even tried reinstalling it before. My guess is Windows is pretty unstable or blocking programs like AppGameKit from running correctly when they try to access the write directory. Who knows??

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This is good to know. Quite frankly I don't won't Windows 8 just yet but I fear I will be forced to update. I can't find windows 7 machines anymore.

I can order from Dell or HP but the Windows 7 machines are more expensive than Windows 8.

I guess I could build my own, but I would rather have a laptop. Decisions. Decisions.

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Don't buy Win 8!! Lol
You can always buy a Win 8 laptop and install Win 7. Licenses are under $100
I'm sure I won't upgrade for years. I stuck with xp until win 7 was a year or 2 old.

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Quote: "My guess is Windows is pretty unstable or blocking programs like AppGameKit from running correctly when they try to access the write directory. Who knows??"


That's probably the case and this behaviour has been the main reason for me moving to linux. Sometimes, especially when running programs comming from zip files, windows decides to block all .exe files from writing to the disk without telling the user. You have to manually go to properties for every zip file and allow them. The wierd thing is that it only happens ocationally and you don't get told about it.

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Ok. I'm staying clear of Win8 for the time being. Hopefully things will be better after a couple of service pack releases.

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OK so... we were running smoothly on Win 8. Now the programs compile but immediately exit... Tried reboots, but no help. I'm buying Win 7 for my intern now. I give up! I hope the new AppGameKit compiler will fix this problem!

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Sorry to hear that.
Are you buying a Win7 machine or just the software?

I'm asking because I might have to do the same when searching for the software. I will be upgrading from Windows Vista?

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We'll just buy the software. Found lots of them out there for around $70. Not sure about upgrades from Vista. If it's not a lot cheaper I'd highly suggest backing up, wiping Vista, and starting fresh, but make sure your machine's hardware can take Win 7!

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Quote: "My guess is Windows is pretty unstable or blocking programs like AppGameKit from running correctly when they try to access the write directory."


It's more likely the case that AppGameKit is accessing the wrong directory (since to my knowledge it's not built to be Win Vista/7/8 compatible).
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Posted: 21st May 2014 11:16 Edited at: 21st May 2014 11:25
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I've never had any problems using AppGameKit on windows 8...

Quote: ""My guess is Windows is pretty unstable or blocking programs like AppGameKit from running correctly when they try to access the write directory.""


- You need to run AppGameKit in admin mode. I think that it is more probable that you are not allowing the program to do what it wants rather than windows being unstable.

I used Win8 without any problems whatsoever, and upgraded a while back to win8.1 . Now I have one problem: some application files compiled on older windows versions don't run, whilst some do. I have no idea what is causing this, most likely something internal. But, I have nothing preventing me from coding on win8.1 . I am using it exclusively.

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Posted: 21st May 2014 12:13
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We also suspected it was admin mode issues. We've tried running the IDE, compiler, and even the interpreter executables in admin mode. No go. We even went back to a backed up version of our project when it did run and it won't work. It initiates a window then immediately closes. No error or anything. Oddest thing I've ever seen. The bytecode file compiled seems to be the right size, but I didn't have him send it to me to try on my win 7 PC.
Last thing we are attempting is to install old ATI catalyst drivers if possible. If that doesn't work then maybe we can shut off UAC altogether and maybe any antivirus. The its off to Win 7.

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Posted: 21st May 2014 12:26 Edited at: 21st May 2014 12:27
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Yeah, sounds like you have the problem I have... If you run some programs compiled on older OS' that happens. Not sure why. That's why you need to recompile the projects, seems that the projects are backwards compatible so you shouldn't have any problems in that direction. As for admin mode on the compiler and all that... Seems strange. I've only got admin mode on the "AGK V2.exe" and that was sufficient. Are you sure that you have all drivers and runtimes up to date?

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W8 doesn't like memory leaks. There may be other "features" it doesn't like.

What's for sure is don't install into Program Files unless you are certain that ALL file-writes will go to somewhere writable, like Documents.

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Posted: 21st May 2014 18:23
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@Paro - we were compiling them in Win 8. All drivers are up to date.

@Jim - AGK's set up to make the write directory in My Documents. We've not made any changes to the write directories. However, trying a different folder for the compiler, maybe at C: root might do the trick. Who the hell knows?

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haha... i consider windows 8 a downgrade...lol

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indeed, so do I
nothing like taking away power and control from the user! Go Applesoft!

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Funny thing... the apps just started compiling again and running with no problem. I don't get it.

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You see this is why I wanted to ask before I upgraded.
It always something.

Now could it be some kind of setting that was changed somewhere?
Because if it worked fine, then stopped, and then worked again; it has to be some kind of environmental setting, no? If not, that would drive me insane.

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He supposedly didn't change a thing. We rebooted and it still wasn't working. Went and loaded up a standard hell world project and it ran. Then went back to our project and it was running. Very very annoying.

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