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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / Synergy IDE with W8.1 "save as" problem

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Battoad
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Posted: 6th Jul 2014 16:41
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Using DBPro I am unable to "save as" or "save project as" from the FILE menu now I have updated to W8.1

I get the following Synergy Editor error window "Encountered an improper argument".

I have the latest synergy update which was issued for 8.1 compatibility but this latest problem has since appeared. Fairly sure it was ok with W8.0

Anyone else have this problem or could it be my setup.

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Posted: 6th Jul 2014 18:42
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I found that if you click save as and then click save... it crashes altogether...

YUP a total bug...

But In four~ years Never used it...

But a bug nevertheless...

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Posted: 6th Jul 2014 19:20
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Thanks for confirming MrV.
I have sent John Y an email & PM in the hope he may be able to sort it out or add to any list of fixes required.

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Posted: 7th Jul 2014 19:56
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Couple of other problems with 8.1 for John Y to look at.

1) Selecting any text is too dark so that you are unable to read what you have selected.
2) "Replace All" from the select and replace tool only replaces 1 occurrence not all of them.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2014 22:14
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Anyone know how to get in touch with John Y.
Email dead and he doesn't answer PM.

There are other IDE's I know, but it really is disappointing that there is no sign of DBPro being supported by any of the main parties.

Although I feel as though I have supported TGC up to now, I also feel they are giving nothing back.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2014 23:26
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He could be on holiday...

Just have some patience, some things take time, also these are not severe issues as they can be circumvented, you can save and then rename and reimport a file, annoying but a working method for now...

As I may have said before, Never used Save-As as usually I create a file in the name required, you could also just make a new file in the name you want, copy to that and then delete the original...

Hopefully the issue at hand will be fixed, also the colour highlight issue, you can modify in the options...

Replace all... that is something I use a lot in VS13, but not so much in DBPro, but you can always copy the file to another editor, perform the replace-all and then copy back... [Or open the original document instead of copying...] But again temporal fixes until the IDE is updated...

If I knew how to create an IDE myself, I would have done it by now... I know you can actually modify VS's IDE for your own coding language, but I just wish I knew how!


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Posted: 10th Jul 2014 00:12
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Thanks MrV - I will leave it a while to see.

I am using "save as" quite a bit at the moment because of a lot of very large data files being used which I like to share between variations of my programs.

The highlight issue doesn't appear to have a solution under "options" as I looked there a while back. You can change colour for specific text options, but there doesn't appear to be one for "select".

I have reverted back to W7 in the short term for DBPro.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2014 01:55
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WOW! that is really strange, Even if you change the colour of standard text it remains black... but highlighting rem statements works fine

I hope he replies to you soon...

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Posted: 10th Jul 2014 11:44
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Thank you.

Going off thread title slightly, I am sure that some more issues may raise their head as more people who still use DBPro transfer over to Windows 8.1.
In order to avoid several or lots of fragmented threads, would it be viable to keep open existing stickies or at least extend the time before they are locked.

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Being some of the lone surviving users, it's damn disappointing to see how DBPro is been left to implode into darkness - several commands will cause silent crashes on Win 8.1 and the compilers are falling away as well - great disappointment to those who stuck with DBPro.
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Quote: "several commands will cause silent crashes on Win 8.1 and the compilers are falling away as well - great disappointment to those who stuck with DBPro. "


WHAT?! Compiler may fail on w8??? i.e. not an editor issue???

All your TGC are belong to us.
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Posted: 24th Jul 2014 13:22
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Thank you John.

John Y (Synergy) has suggested run in compatibility mode to fix the "replace all" problem but other faults mentioned still remain. I'm sure he is looking at these though. Hopefully he can come up with a good fix fairly soon.

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You all are describing a worry I have had for a while now. The Rumor is that M$ is trying to steer everyone away from 32-Bit. They already removed 16-Bit support, and from the little "posts" I get here and there, its a worry that M$ will remove 32-Bit soon.

This means that DB Pro and Synergy won't work for too much longer, unless its all upgraded to 64-Bit. That is what has me worried. This "emulation mode" will do no good if our compiled programs are still 32-Bit. That's my worry.
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Posted: 24th Jul 2014 15:51
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JackDawson, Are you still running 32bit Windows?

Not sure what you mean about support, but DBPro runs fine for me, not touched 32bit Windows in almost a decade now... even my netbook is running a 64bit edition...

So can you elaborate further?

Juney, thanks for the update...

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@Mr V, I think Jack is right. If you look where your TGC program is installed it will be something like C:program files(x86) which is the 32 bit part lumped with your 64 bit edition.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2014 16:25
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That is something different, still not seeing his point...

I highly doubt they would cliff an entire ecosystem within 10 years from now, in 2020-2025 I would not be surprised though...

So relax, 32/64 bit is here to stay for some time to come yet, 128bit is only just surfacing...

Pretty sure support for 32bit inside 64bit will be here to stay for a significant amount of time to come yet... [6 years more should be plenty of time for any changes to be adapted...]

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Posted: 24th Jul 2014 20:13 Edited at: 24th Jul 2014 20:29
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Windows 8 users already are complaining here on this forum about Emulated Mode for DBPro. I am under the influence of thinking that has to do with 32Bit. Not to mention I have read other forums that are also talking about Windows 8.x not working correctly with some 32Bit applications. ALSO, 16Bit support was removed, which again, makes me believe that M$ could still rip out support for 32Bit in the near future.

Some of the rumors I have seen is about Windows 9 being an only 64Bit OS only with no 32Bit support. Just like they did with 16Bit.

I am on a 64Bit Windows 7 and it is backwards compatible with 32Bit.. but that is the point.. they made it backwards compatible. Windows 9 has the potential of dropping support for 32Bit altogether. This is the concern I am seeing here and there all over the net.

EDIT UPDATE : I did a search and several pages came up.. Notice.. Windows 9 is going to be 64Bit only. Windows Server 2008 is ALREADY 64Bit only.

http://www.everything-microsoft.com/2011/07/16/windows-9/

64Bit only is coming faster then we think. Windows 8 was noted to be the last of the Windows OSes to support 32Bit.
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You know, just because they will be 64bit only, would not mean they do not support 32bit applications....... 'sigh'

Just ignore them for now, you already know 32bit applications work fine, think of the many thousands of games that are 32bit only, emulating them in a dosbox sort of environment is not feasible nor is cutting off tens of millions of users from a platform...

Don't worry about support for 32bit going anywhere for at least another decade... I know MS suck at advertising but the management know what they are doing fortunately

If you are so concerned about it, just grab as many W7 and W8 licences as you can if it worries you that much... you can then profit from selling them at a mark-up ten fold your purchase price ;p [Though W7 dies in 2017? not that I care ]

Remember, where there is a negative, there is always a positive... whether we like either is a matter of view...

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Posted: 24th Jul 2014 22:03 Edited at: 24th Jul 2014 22:17
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Quote: "You know, just because they will be 64bit only, would not mean they do not support 32bit applications....... 'sigh'"


Actually, that is exactly what the article, and many others, are saying. Windows 8 is the last to support 32Bit. In other words, it has backwards compatibility for 32Bit. Windows 9 is not going to be backwards compatible.

End of MAIN support for windows 7 is next year ( 2015 ). It's security updates will end in 2020.

Windows 8 MAIN support ends in 2018.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle
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Posted: 24th Jul 2014 22:15 Edited at: 24th Jul 2014 22:16
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What you are talking about is Release not Support...

EDIT

Basically what THEY are saying is it will not support 32bit ONLY hardware, not software...

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Alright. I hope you're right.
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Posted: 24th Jul 2014 22:24
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Put it this way, even netbooks running ATOM chips are 64bit compatible now [My server is a 64bit Netbook running Windows 8.1 Pro]

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