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Geek Culture / Will the DBC/DBP source code ever be released?

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Libervurto
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Posted: 10th Aug 2014 08:35
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Are there any plans to make DBC/DBP open source or free-software?
As far as I can tell TGC makes most of its money from selling add-ons and companion software. Both languages are quite old now but maybe releasing the source to the public might result in some clever boffins adding and improving features, it might even bring in new users who want a language they can tinker with, and those arriving for the new features.

Yes? No? Shall I go sit in the corner and be quiet?

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Dark Java Dude 64
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I don't know if they will release the source or not, but if they do, it could be some very messy code. I just say that based upon the, erm well, lack of optimization in the compiled executables

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Hockeykid
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Dark Basic Pro has actually been open source for a little while, it just really doesn't get mentioned a lot. You can find the source here: https://code.google.com/p/darkbasicpro/ It could be cool if someone started on some sort of DBPro "mod".

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mr Handy
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Should be not modded but FORKED, and uploaded to sourceforge. TGC just need to mention in the license that to use any forked version you need to own commercial license for official DBP.

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Green Gandalf
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Posted: 10th Aug 2014 14:26
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Quote: "FORKED"


What does that mean? Is it another way of saying KNIFED?



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The Zoq2
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Posted: 10th Aug 2014 16:25
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Forked means that you take an open source repository from something like SVN or git and create your own version (branch) of it.

Also, it looks like the source is on SVN so you should just be able to fork it and do what you want with it (while following the license ofc)

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Indicium
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Quote: "What does that mean? Is it another way of saying KNIFED?"


He's used the words as if they're opposite of one another which is confusing. A branch, or fork is just a different version of development that usually runs concurrently with the original.
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Quote: " What does that mean? Is it another way of saying KNIFED?"

It's an open source software(OSS) term used when a project is splintered off by a group for various reasons. Either a different development philosophy, inability to make changes in a reasonable time, etc, etc are reasons that people fork open source projects.

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Quote: "Is it another way of saying KNIFED?"
That was the first thing to make me laugh this morning; thanks.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2014 17:00 Edited at: 10th Aug 2014 17:00
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Lee and his developers have the repository set up much like the following:



All developers have write access to the repository, so they are all able to branch from it directly, then make, commit, and push changes back to the repository.

We on the other hand do not have write access. What we can do however is fork the repository. This is nothing more than creating another online copy of the repository.



This allows me to clone my copy of the repository and check out a branch on my local computer. Because the branch is tracking my repository and not Lee's repository, I have writing permission and can push changes.

When I've finished my modifications to DBP, I can initiate a merge request. Someone on the DBP team who has writing access to Lee's repository will then clone the changes from my repository, and if everything looks alright, he will push the changes to Lee's repository:



There can of course be more than one fork of Lee's repository. This is what's known as a distributed workflow.



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mr Handy
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AFAIR there is one small problem: we have no forks the opened code is not the latest version.

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Quote: "That was the first thing to make me laugh this morning; thanks."


I'm glad someone appreciated it.

Thanks for the explanations everyone. I'd never heard the word used in that context before.



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Quote: "What does that mean? Is it another way of saying KNIFED?"

No, it's closer to sporked

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Libervurto
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"Spooning" a repository means snuggling up to it.

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Libervurto
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Anyone interested in making a Linux port then?

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Taking an outdated DX9 engine and porting it to GL? I don't see anybody taking you up on that offer.
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Posted: 12th Aug 2014 03:48
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Quote: "Anyone interested in making a Linux port then?"


Sounds like a nightmare come true.

The person doing the port will have to know both APIs extremely well. DX and GL function differently and there will be some major implementation differences causing additional headaches. Furthermore, the person doing the port will have to know C++ to such a degree that they aren't producing complete garbage, as is the case with the current implementation of DarkBASIC.

Not even I feel like I know the language well enough to do that, so...

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I would love to see a linux port, I probably wouldn't use it myself because I like C++ but something having a linux version is allways good

The points Comet make are pretty valid though

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Quote: "as is the case with the current implementation of DarkBASIC."


I'm sure Lee will be thrilled to hear that.
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Posted: 12th Aug 2014 05:32 Edited at: 12th Aug 2014 05:33
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The time it would take you to port it would be the time it would take you to learn Java. Just do that.

Quote: "I'm sure Lee will be thrilled to hear that."


It's harsh, but the code is pretty ugly as it stands. Starting with memory management, specifically strings as an example, DarkBASIC Pro doesn't hold any kind of list of instantiated strings. They are created and forgotten about, leading to inherent memory leaks. The number of strings you create in DBP will exist in memory for the entirety of time your application is running, and are never cleaned up, not even on shutdown. Luckily the OS will clean up all allocated memory of a program, but it's foolish to rely on that functionality.

The appropriate functions for manually cleaning up strings aren't exposed to the user either, and the whole string API is weird to begin with.

I can point out loads of other weird WTFs in the code, but maybe you should just read it yourself and form your own opinion.

https://code.google.com/p/darkbasicpro/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2F%20darkbasicpro%20--username%20LeeBamberTGC%2FDark%20Basic%20Pro%20SDK%2FShared%2FCore%253Fstate%253Dclosed

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Quote: "The person doing the port will have to know both APIs extremely well. DX and GL function differently and there will be some major implementation differences causing additional headaches. Furthermore, the person doing the port will have to know C++ to such a degree that they aren't producing complete garbage, as is the case with the current implementation of DarkBASIC."

ToGL
Plus, DBP is more C than C++.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2014 09:25 Edited at: 12th Aug 2014 09:41
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There's a couple of Open GL based Dbpro compatible libraries that come to mind, Blivvy wrote one a couple years after it released (about 2004/2005) don't think was officially released and Freddix was working on something along those lines recently...


Edit:

Here' a link Freddix's project: Apparently it's inspired by DBpro's command sets...but looks like it's dead now.

http://www.amidark-engine.com/


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Okay I took a look, no thanks to making that cross platform.
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Monkey X is already open source, multi-platform, and 3d capable, though no official library exists on par with DBP's ease of use, unofficial ones exist or can be created.

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Just make DBP GPL and Linux community will do the rest of porting

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