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Hi guys, thought you all might like to know what TDavid and I just found.
He found his game, Birney's Run, on Android Pit and it had 14 downvotes and 1 upvote. We thought it was a bit harsh, but who knows, right? So he looked at Sudoku In Space, the same exact downvotes and upvotes! So I started digging... and the following all have the same:
Best Night Light
Kayak Escape
Keep In
Prove Your Worthiness
Rush To Adventure

Seems a bit too much to be a coincidence and other android games on the site don't have this same 14-1 score. Also seems to be games just in the past couple of months.

Just way to coincidental for my tastes, but anyway...
Can we all go to this site and upvote each other's games?
I haven't done anything yet except for Sudoku In Space and Birney's run because I wanted you all to see the numbers.
List your link to the Android Pit games here and I'll upvote them.
http://www.androidpit.com/app/com.naplandgames.sudokuinspace

http://www.androidpit.com/app/com.dtaveau.bunbunsrun

So weird!

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at my games at google play i often have same count of 5 and 1 stars.
i think some of this bad votings are people that provide game marketing. also possible are someone that want bring up his own product.
at google i made a request that people must select a reason
or explanation at votings.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2014 17:56 Edited at: 29th Sep 2014 18:03
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you can do that in the play store ? How ?

On topic, the fact that the -14 +1 ratings only concerns us agk users is quite suspicious. Other games have different ratings. It's not like we all released our games at the same time before someone ran a script on the whole website.

A bit of paranoia doesn't hurt.
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Something is rotten in the house of Android...

Anonymous ratings, are useless, unless the user base for that project is enormous, like movies, that millions are watching.

If people had to sign with a real name, to vote, I think things would be different.

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I'm sure that kind of behavior probably goes against the terms and conditions of the site (i.e. "We expect people to treat each other respectfully and maintain a friendly and polite tone" and "Only one account is permitted per user" - 14 down-votes for every new app sounds like one person with multiple user accounts to me). Might be worth submitting a complaint query to the site owners? http://www.androidpit.com/en/android/contact/form

Good luck

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Posted: 29th Sep 2014 18:05 Edited at: 29th Sep 2014 18:05
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Quote: "If people had to sign with a real name, to vote, I think things would be different."

not, with real name they just wrote something bad but no details.
its annoying.

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this does not only happen with android. it also happens on the apple appstore

you can leave a 1 star rating with no text review, and no one will ever know who you are

your game will just go down in the ranks even if you have 50 5 star votes, you won't get back to 5 full stars overall

someone left such a bad comment on one of my games and the download numbers suddenly fell miserably! mind you this is a free game. if you don't like it, fair enough, just delete it, you wasted no $ on it!

so in the end this story happens to all of us and curators of the appstores are not here to help!
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This isn't in the Android store. This is a separate site that doesn't really have anything to do with the android store. Sudoku In Space has 21 5-star ratings and 1 4-star rating on Google Play.
Android Pit is a fairly popular review site that pulls app data from the store and then allows users to downvote or upvote the apps.
This thread was built specifically to address Android Pit, not the Google Play market. If you want to discuss that, please let's do it in another thread (I agree with some of your notions, but Google won't listen anyway).

On Android Pit you must create a sign in and after we saw so many of the same exact number of downvotes for AppGameKit games we started to be suspicious.
For this reason I say "Check you games on Android Pit"
Post a link here and go and upvote each other's games. It only takes a moment to help out your fellow developers.

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is android pit something that you need to submit your games to or do they just take the playstore library and rank them?

if its something to submit games to then im just not going to.

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No, they automatically pull from the store.
I had no idea my games were even listed there until TDavid pointed it out.

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yes, i had understand.
i had send Android Pit Germany a Feedback for a better Voting System.
i am sure your bad votings comming at google play store if your app get popular. make a screenshot now

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Posted: 29th Sep 2014 19:09 Edited at: 29th Sep 2014 19:10
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And androitpit ranks quite high in google seach engine. At least in my case.
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Posted: 29th Sep 2014 19:18 Edited at: 29th Sep 2014 19:20
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crappy! this is the first i have heard of them.

ok i had a look... different experience.

http://www.androidpit.com/app/com.sheldonmacdonald.massconflict

i have 3 up and 1 down ... maybe the 14 down voter bot has not reached my game yet?

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Posted: 29th Sep 2014 19:23 Edited at: 29th Sep 2014 19:24
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RTA have 4.3 average on Google play, only 4 1-star ratings. The rest are 3 and up. With 51 ratings.

I didn't find RTA on Android Pit. But taking one in the list, Temple Rush Maxx Adventure also have 1-14 in ratings. And I don't think that one is made in AGK. And same with Monster Orc Rush. Some do have other ratings like Relic Rush have 4-1.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2014 19:24
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They're actually quite popular.
How old is Mass Conflict? My apps that are more than a couple months old don't have this 14 downvote thing either.

I just sent them a report of this and a list of the apps that I found with 14 downvotes that are AppGameKit apps.

Also I am finding all of these games via the Showcase thread.
Shape Time didn't get this treatment and was released in April/May, so it doesn't go back very far. This seems fairly recent.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2014 19:25 Edited at: 29th Sep 2014 19:26
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http://www.androidpit.com/app/com.digitalawakening.rushtoadventure
That's your link, DA. Just the package name.

EDIT:
Looked at some apps when I search Rush TO Adventure. Looks like they are having the same downvotes. Maybe this site is doing this?? Very odd!

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There you go :
http://www.androidpit.fr/application/com.digitalawakening.rushtoadventure

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Posted: 29th Sep 2014 20:22 Edited at: 29th Sep 2014 20:44
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same here (3x apps), seems it is a bug from android pit.
one game is not agk, it was made with fusion.
1 up 14 down votes.
http://www.androidpit.com/app/com.rauch.solitaire

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Gave you another upvote. I think if we all do the same for each other then we'll be not too bad off. I just hate seeing my hard work that is so well reviewed on Google and by app reviews to get blemished by this site for no reason!

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i am annoyed by androidpit because they provide my apps without my permission. we should proceed agains and earn money from them

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I don't disagree. Unfortunately there are a lot of sites like this, just Android Pit seems to be the only one that is popular. We get Google alerts pretty frequently for sites that have mirrored the play store for our games. Almost all of the sites are junk, but AndroidPit is actually used by folks.

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massconflict was released this year around feburary/march area.

my oldest game on there is ice brawlers which has a 4 up 1 down... fairly simular to massconflict.

maybe my apps got in just before this started happening.

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Quote: "my oldest game on there is ice brawlers which has a 4 up 1 down... fairly simular to massconflict."

That's the same score as the one I looked at. I have only seen 4-1 and 1-14 on their site so far.

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One AppGameKit app I have on there has 3 up, 1 down. Another (non-AGK) has 4 up, 1 down (both very old and the AppGameKit one wasn't added to gallery as I recall). It looks like this site just scraps all the app data from Google Play including download count, so you really have no insight into how many may be downloading it from that site itself.

Either way it's peculiar to get such downvotes. AppGameKit V 2.0 also has 14 down and 1 up. If this is someone's agenda it is quite pathetic--but similar things happened at the FPS Reloaded forums where anyone who submitted new content to the gallery would get downvoted like crazy. Hmm.
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I have up-voted all the games linked in this thread so far. Happy to help!

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Posted: 29th Sep 2014 23:34 Edited at: 29th Sep 2014 23:36
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I think the one responsible for this (if anyone) started to do this recently.

My game wasn't on the gallery so if there actually is someone behind this, he finds our apps directly on the forum.

If someone cares, here's my app :
http://www.androidpit.com/app/com.dtaveau.bunbunsrun

We should probably contact the site admins to clear this out.
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ah... none of my games are on the gallery. since agk player has the down votes too... it must be on someones agenda to attack everything made from it.

when i get home i will help you guys out too with some up votes

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Thanks for the help guys, it seems more like they are the apps listed in the Showcase thread as that's where I went to start matching them up and found all of the above so immediately.
Hopefully it is not someone maliciously doing this, but I contacted Android Pit in hopes that they will investigate. If it is the same accounts downvoting those apps then it's pretty ridiculous and I hope they ban the accounts.
Why someone would do this is beyond me so hopefully it is just a weird glitch in their system that just happens to be affecting us.

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Thats some odd behavior.
Up Votes for you all

My App:
http://www.androidpit.fr/application/com.npgames.keepin.free

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@CJB,
thanks.
OT, i like the "Magic Money Maker" idea

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Thanks Markus! Wrote that one ages ago

Upvote for Keepin. That looks like one crazy tricky game! Love the music on the vid too

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I don't think it's any kind of AppGameKit thing.

I checked Trionix and it was 6 up 1 down.
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Trionix doesn't fit the profile. It's on page 4 in the showcase forum. From what Naphier gathered, only the most recent games were downvoted.

We still don't know if it's a coincidence, though.
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Like I said before, there are other games with the same rating not made with AGK.

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Again, I'd not heard of this site either. I found my other app (it's not a game) on there and I too seem to have the 1+ 14- thing going on.

http://www.androidpit.com/app/com.warriorsofthecucumber.ninjanamegenerator

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just checked the only android app i have.

its not a game, and not done in agk

1 up 14 down votes

so it has nothing to do with agk
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Here is mine:
http://www.androidpit.com/app/com.KG2Entertainment.ProveYourWorthiness

I saw this too, but I've notice there was no spike in downloads so I was suspicious.

But anyway, I'm going to vote...

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Dodge those Balls also got the same 14 down, 1 up....


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do you mean 14up 1 down....its the exact opposite..

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ohh, yes it is.... ok that's really weird


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DTB gets a vote from me anyway
We gotta support each other

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yep, I upvoted everybody's games too, also, here's a link to the AGKv2 player: http://www.androidpit.com/app/com.thegamecreators.agk_player2, it has -14 +0 votes (at least, it did until I upvoted it).


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+2 now lol

It's been over a week and no response from Android Pit to my query as to why this was happening so frequently. I sort of doubted they would comment anyway. I'll make sure to post if I ever hear from them.

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Maybe a more public question would help to get their attention...

http://www.androidpit.com/forum/androidpit-support-website/recent

If they are publically displaying these erroneous votes, I see it as a fair place to post the question.

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Good idea. I've done exactly that right here for anyone who'd like to chime in:
http://www.androidpit.com/forum/622039/android-pit-downvotes-on-many-games

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OK!
Wrapping this up.
Seems like they admit to having a fault in their system that cause this issue for our apps and many others. They claim to have fixed it and removed the erroneous downvotes.
Here's the reply I got on the forums:
Quote: "Hi Sean,

This was caused by an error in our conversion algorithm. It has since been fixed and all of these games now have their proper ratings. Apologies for any problems caused.

Interesting that you mention that many sites send you emails notifying of apps being crawled. Would it be any trouble if you forwarded some to me at caspar.wrede@androidpit.de

Thank you!

Caspar"


The thread can be found here if you see this issue with your app and they haven't fixed it.
http://www.androidpit.com/forum/622039/android-pit-downvotes-on-many-games#2219838
I now feel better about using them as a distribution channel (yes they also have their own app market...).

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