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AppGameKit Classic Chat / Why to support Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 if we already have 2013(pro) libraries?

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Alex_Peres
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Posted: 25th Nov 2014 17:26
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Why to support Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 if we already have 2013(pro) libraries?
I think Paul just do excess work...
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Posted: 25th Nov 2014 17:41 Edited at: 25th Nov 2014 17:54
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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 25th Nov 2014 18:20
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A lot of people still develop with 2008/2010 because they don't like the way VS 2013 went. Besides, it's always a good idea to support up to 2 versions back, in the event that somebody wants to develop a legacy app!


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Alex_Peres
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Posted: 25th Nov 2014 19:32
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Yodaman Jer, what do you mean about the VS 2013 way?
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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 25th Nov 2014 20:26
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The direction in which Microsoft chose to take it. I know I wasn't happy with it, some of the new standards they implemented were really weird and the overall design of the application itself was total crap.

But I rarely play with C++ these days, I much prefer a simpler language like C#, Python, and right now AppGameKit BASIC.


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Posted: 25th Nov 2014 20:44
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If I understand you right - you hate VS2013 because of new interface??
It is funny!
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Alex_Peres
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Posted: 25th Nov 2014 20:53 Edited at: 25th Nov 2014 20:59
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VS2013 in 1000 times more comfortable than previous versions! For sure!

P.S. AGK-tier1 is trying to copy VS2012-2013 style.
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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 25th Nov 2014 20:58
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Did you miss the part of my last post in which I said that it had to do with some of the new standards they implemented?


The interface just felt cheap and like it was designed by a 12 year old, but what really annoyed me about it was that they were trying to FORCE everybody to design apps for their much-hated Windows 8 metro interface, which I found annoying and very unintuitive. They also stopped supporting XNA and tried to get everybody to make games with DirectX directly, instead of providing a decent game programming library.

Really, I just hate Microsoft's decisions lately, because they ditched a great engine (XNA), revamped an OS that made it 10X worse than anything before it, and then tried to force everyone to design apps for something they didn't want to. Not exactly the way to run a business.

But anyway, I imagine it was also a lot easier to support older version of VS out of the box because TGC still had to secure their rights to the licenses and APIs of VS2013, hence the delay of the support.


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Posted: 25th Nov 2014 21:06
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I can say that I don't like the way they(microsoft) doing its business but I really like the changes in Visual Studio.
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I agree, I'm only using VS2013 now since it's 100% free and the way to go
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Posted: 4th Dec 2014 22:43
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because there will be come people with other projects written in those versions maybe heaps , and they mightn't want to have to upgrade them all. some out there still have tons of VS2005 out there

My Computer Specs: http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=164587&b=2&msg=1947153#m1947153
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Posted: 22nd Dec 2014 07:45
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I haven't looked at VS2013 yet. But it sounds like I will avoid it until I have no choice (like other things that Microsoft does).

I do not like platforms that force you to go certain ways in your programming choices.

I have recently decided that Windows 8 isn't horrible (I had no choice but to use it at work).

But I absolutely will avoid anything that forces me to create applications for a specific look and feel (yes, Apple does force some things, but they haven't been changing the look and feel of their iOS every other version like Microsoft does).

Also, keeping the older versions makes it easier for people to continue to use the projects they have. If there are major changes in the IDEs, then it requires redoing things to accomodate it and that takes time away from continuing to work on projects that do what you want.

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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 22nd Dec 2014 19:06
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I'm hoping Windows 10 and Visual Studio 2015 will fix a lot of the poor decisions Microsoft made, at least in terms of forcing users to program things they didn't want to (like Metro apps).

Windows 10 will see the resurface of the Start Menu, so it's nice to see they are listening somewhat.


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