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Thrall
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Ok well I emailed support via the site , but no reply in at least 5 days. I ordered the 3D Gamemaker in hopes to make Freeware games , I would make no money. My problem is that I read the eula and several reviews on the product. My quesitons:

1. Can I distribute my game(s) in the form of freeware. Which would be EXE ONLY?

2. I heard there is a nag screen when the user exits the game. if I pay 34.99 for the product and then give it to people and there is a nag screen...THAT IS OUTRAGOUS. Of course I dont see this on the site..if there is a nag screen and you dont say it that is false advertising. And that is illegal.

Thank you. And if distributing the game as freeware means going against the Eula I will because that is stupid if you cant make a game and dsitribute it as freeware.

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OSX Using Happy Dude
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How can not mentioning something be false advertising ?


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Thrall
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It can because they are not telling someone that they are putting a nag screen on something that the creator BUYS! That's crazy! but what about my questions?

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Thrall
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I dont mean to be rude. But of course as you understand I am a little upset.

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would it really bother people to click a nag screen button anyway? if they paid £34.99 they could make nearly exactly the same game as the one you are giving them, because 3d game maker isn't really very good for making original games, i could see why you'd be frustrated if you spent years programming a top quality game only to find that in the final .exe theres an annoying peice of advertising, but 3dgm doesn't really take long to make a game does it?


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Posted: 6th Dec 2003 22:10
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Quote: "1. Can I distribute my game(s) in the form of freeware. Which would be EXE ONLY?"


You can only distribute EXE's, there is no other format and yes you can give them away free.

Quote: "I heard there is a nag screen when the user exits the game. if I pay 34.99 for the product and then give it to people and there is a nag screen...THAT IS OUTRAGOUS. Of course I dont see this on the site..if there is a nag screen and you dont say it that is false advertising. And that is illegal."


No, it's not illegal. We haven't broken any law because you assumed something. False advertising is saying you can do one thing and then not being able to do it. Nowhere on the site does it say it DOESN'T have an end screen, infact I swear one of the FAQs has it.. yup, see:

http://t3dgm.thegamecreators.com/?m=faq_view&i=3f27aa75d91f54.11808698

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Posted: 6th Dec 2003 22:24
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Quote: "And if distributing the game as freeware means going against the Eula I will"


And then you can get sued

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Thrall
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Quote: "would it really bother people to click a nag screen button anyway? if they paid £34.99 they could make nearly exactly the same game as the one you are giving them, because 3d game maker isn't really very good for making original games, i could see why you'd be frustrated if you spent years programming a top quality game only to find that in the final .exe theres an annoying peice of advertising, but 3dgm doesn't really take long to make a game does it?
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Excuse me? I could make it original! that's my plan! my own models , textures and more. I am also a programmer but only make apps I dont know that much..I thought this could be an easy and advanced tool. I guess someday I will buy a license..if I like it.

I am sorry for the way I acted..I guess I deserved to get yelled at and sh*t.

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Posted: 6th Dec 2003 23:49 Edited at: 6th Dec 2003 23:50
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I wouldn't worry too much about it. If you want to make really good original games that you can giva away as freeware you should get Dark Basic, or Dark Basic Pro. Then you can make any game you like.

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Quote: "You can only distribute EXE's, there is no other format and yes you can give them away free"


you can still give you game to someone with 3d game maker in the saved file (ie. the file that you save other than the exe) can't you?

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Mattman
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well, ya. How many people have it though???

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More than you'd think Mattman. It's our top selling title by far, even today.

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@Rich

"More than you'd think Mattman. It's our top selling title by far, even today."

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Thrall,
You can't possibly make something totally original in T3DGM, your still always gonna be using someone elses code and engine. Put another way - why should you be able to make a game in T3DGM and have it look like you've coded the whole thing? - surely that takes credit away from the guys who made T3DGM?

For some reason my copy of DBPro has a nag screen at the end saying trial version - even though my copy of DBPro is legit. Won't stop me releasing the stuff I make with it, personally I'd be chuffed if someone followed the link at the end of one of my progs and got into DB because of it.


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Eric T
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Quote: "For some reason my copy of DBPro has a nag screen at the end saying trial version "


Hahah, yeah mines been doing that ever since U5, i just ignore it.

Quote: "More than you'd think Mattman. It's our top selling title by far, even today"


Well sh*t, you'd think some people would wanna learn something about the work it takes to make one of those games you see..(on the discount rack ) at your local store.

Plus with DB, you get the satisfaction of being able to distribute your game as free as ya want.

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Quote: "Well sh*t, you'd think some people would wanna learn something about the work it takes to make one of those games you see..(on the discount rack ) at your local store."


i do code db and pascal btw, i just wanted to muck around w/ some models and stuff without all the hassle for once.

btw can you use the models from t3dgm in db progs and still give them out as freeware or can you only use t3dgm media in t3dgm (i understand if there are legal reasons). just wondering .

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Well, in the latest competition, we're allowed to use T3DGM models with DB for that, so I reckon so.
Shortly after T3DGM was released, I put this question to Rick Vanner because I wanted to use some of the models too - and thought that it might be a good way to sell more copies of T3DGM (by doubling it up as a media source), and unfortunately the publisher had other plans for the T3DGM models, they were charging about £30 each.

I doubt you'd get into trouble if it's freeware, especially considering it's DB your using.


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thanks VanB

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