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Digital Awakening
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Posted: 12th Jan 2016 13:39 Edited at: 14th Jan 2016 18:23
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HTML 5

I know a guy who knows a web based publisher and this is apparently a sizable market. And I could have RTA published on that site. Not being able to publish for web is simply bad for me.

Finally the AppGameKit 2016 Survey is here! Make your voices heard. There's a lot of jummy features in the survey but there wasn't any room to declare my most wanted feature. So I decided to post it here
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Posted: 12th Jan 2016 13:56 Edited at: 12th Jan 2016 13:58
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Also, I just realized that I want to be able to set the backbuffer resolution without altering the window resolution. Any way to alter my survey answer?

Also, there was no question about the Twitter commands, apparently they don't work on any platform these days?
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Posted: 14th Jan 2016 00:12 Edited at: 14th Jan 2016 00:14
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DA, I really really agree with your first post. AppGameKit needs HTML5 / web target! It's actually a lot easier to get noticed / players with web publishing vs. mobile or PC nowadays.
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Html5 would be wonderful

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Html5 would be my most desired feature. My second choice would be dynamic arrays.

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Posted: 14th Jan 2016 20:30 Edited at: 14th Jan 2016 20:31
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Do you think it would use WebGL? Or would you want to use canvas, etc?
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I have no idea, never got into HTML5 myself. And personally I don't need it to support 3D if that's a problem. But I'm sure Paul has a solution or it wouldn't be on the list.
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html5 for sure.

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WebGL with a canvas fallback.... that's how the cool kids do it nowadays.
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Quote: "WebGL with a canvas fallback.... that's how the cool kids do it nowadays."

I've only made web games with JQuery, so I guess I'm not cool There is always the Intel XDK which can easily couple with PhaserJS.
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There is some old AppGameKit V1 code gathering dust, for WebGL. So I guess that would be the starting point.
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I just noticed that Unity has a web player. If AppGameKit can do without a player then I think that would be an advantage. However, the player downloaded really fast with no hassle so it's not a bad solution either.
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Unity also recently released a WebGL target, which supersedes the player (plugin) it is intended to replace.
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In the past TGC launched the Freedom Engine project, all web based. I think that they were using a web player. They could reuse the what they have already developed. I do not know if they used webGL, canvas or whatever...I do not think webGL.
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I recall that Freedom Engine used WebGL, which made sense from TGC's perspective given AppGameKit was already an OpenGL framework. It made porting it to Web that much easier for TGC. However, that approach was also woefully unsupported at the time and was so slow to initialize that it was not a workable solution. A lot has changed in browsers and hardware since then, but at least then it would have had a higher chance of success if TGC had ported AppGameKit code to native HTML5 Canvas (although this would exclude 3D, which I don't think many actually use AppGameKit for in the first place).

The most depressing part to this often requested HTML5 feature is that it was part of the original roadmap of AppGameKit circa 2010-2011 yet never really happened.
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Quote: "The most depressing part to this often requested HTML5 feature is that it was part of the original roadmap of AppGameKit circa 2010-2011 yet never really happened."


I think the usefulness vs effort wasn't really favorable. Adding another platform is always extra work. But hopefully there's enough people asking for it now. If you had asked me 6 months ago I wouldn't have cared.
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Having webgl/html5 isn't enough, we also need to consider how we monetise those targets.

If we add this functionality then we should also add in facebook IAP.
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Posted: 19th Jan 2016 11:15 Edited at: 19th Jan 2016 11:16
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html5

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Quote: "The most depressing part to this often requested HTML5 feature is that it was part of the original roadmap of AppGameKit circa 2010-2011 yet never really happened."

I only signed up to AppGameKit because it was it was part of the original roadmap and unfortunately for lots of reasons Freedom Engine was never going to cut it.
It would be great if TGC could resurrect the intention and application of HTML web browser support.

Have we really lost 5-6 years since it was first suggested?
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I suggested having a "Web Player" and "Byte-Code" compiler way back in the days of the Dark Basic Classic wish-list... so, more like 15 years ago (at a guess).
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Quote: "I suggested having a "Web Player" and "Byte-Code" compiler way back "


What great foresight. If only

Lets hope we get something strong this time around
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Having to rely on a player that the user has to download is far from optimal. A lot of people simply won't download it. It's also something that needs to be constantly updated. So I hope for a better solution. But I take what I can get.
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Quote: "Having to rely on a player that the user has to download is far from optimal"


I think we would all agree with this today, but 15 years ago I still think that it was quite forward thinking.

Quote: "So I hope for a better solution"


Ditto, and would also expect a better solution if and when they proceed with html5.
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Quote: "Having to rely on a player that the user has to download is far from optimal."
Totally agree.

I'm not bothered about seeing an HTML5 export option (yet at least... maybe that'll change in a year or so).
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passing functions as input parameters for functions and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-circuit_evaluation of conditional statements.
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CJB wrote: "
"Having to rely on a player that the user has to download is far from optimal."
Totally agree.

I'm not bothered about seeing an HTML5 export option (yet at least... maybe that'll change in a year or so)."

How are those statements compatible? The only feasible modern way to get a game to a user without a "download" (even html5 is downloading, in actuality), is to do an html solution...

It seems that the web game market is only growing and an HTML5 export option would make AppGameKit great for game jams.
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Quote: "an HTML5 export option would make AppGameKit great for game jams."


Oh, what would just be amazing. After a game jam you put everything up on a webpage and people can just play everything without downloading any of the games. Because I feel that's something I don't like. You see a list for 10-20 games but you don't feel like downloading and installing them just for a quick go. If they are immediately playable it's a totally different thing.
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Quote: "How are those statements compatible?"


If I was bothered about seeing a type of "Web export" in AppGameKit, then I aggree whole-heartedly that HTML5 would be the way to go. I'm just not that bothered about it right now. Maybe that will change in the coming months, but right now I'd rather see bug fixes and expanded functionality over more platforms.
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Quote: "right now I'd rather see bug fixes and expanded functionality over more platforms."


We are all going to wish for different things at different times. I am currently not affected by any bugs and there's no functionality that I need for RTA at the moment. Might change closer to release. Well, there's always better Steam integration to wish for but I can still release the game on Steam. And media protection would be awesome but it's not a dealbreaker at the moment. Additional language features is something that I would be interested in for my next project rather than working them into a near complete project. But HTML 5 would open some doors for me and does potentially affect the success of my game. It could perhaps even allow me to code stuff in AppGameKit full time and really master it.
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What if instead it was a player that ran in browser? HTML and js standards change very rapidly, so much so I've built a game in jquery that worked for a week on all browsers and then didn't work in IE, then Mozilla, etc.... I know that Unity has a Unity Player; maybe that would be a way to go.
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Most browsers are dropping support for Unity Player. Chrome no longer supports it, hence the reason Unity has had a bigger push to WebGL recently.
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Quote: "Most browsers are dropping support for Unity Player. Chrome no longer supports it, hence the reason Unity has had a bigger push to WebGL recently."

I was unaware of that. I know Chrome has something that makes it "easier" to work with WebGL. I forget what it is called though. I played a Quake game that utilizes the new structure.
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CJB wrote: "If I was bothered about seeing a type of "Web export" in AppGameKit, then I aggree whole-heartedly that HTML5 would be the way to go. I'm just not that bothered about it right now. Maybe that will change in the coming months, but right now I'd rather see bug fixes and expanded functionality over more platforms."

My point was just that if you are doing "PC" platforms, you are making people install a "player." And you agreed that "having the user install a player is far from optimal." At least with a standardized player, the user only has to install once. That's all.

Anyway... HTML5 would be better than having a web player anyway, as web plugins are going the way of the dinosaur at a rapid pace.

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