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Posted: 13th Feb 2022 00:40 Edited at: 15th Feb 2022 19:32
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Hi,

I'm done rewriting a game in AGKS I once wrote in Blitz3D. The final step is to implement Steam achievements using Adam Biser's AppGameKit Steam Plugin.
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I own both the Classic and Studio versions of AGK. Both are Steam versions.
I can run the Classic IDE without launching Steam by starting \steamapps\common\App Game Kit 2\Tier 1\Editor\bin\AGK.exe
If I try and run the Studio IDE by starting \steamapps\common\AppGameKit Studio\Ide.exe, the Steam client also launches.

(edit) The problem is that I can only test the code when the IDE is running outside of Steam. Otherwise the App ID of the AppGameKit Studio IDE is used instead of the App ID of my game by the Steam API.

Is there any way to use the Studio IDE without launching Steam?


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I do not speak for TGC but i think in the past they have issued a TGC licence for people who have already bought a steam version.
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I too noticed this recently. It used to allow us to either run it from steam directly or run the exe file as if it were a normal executable but something changed and now the exe launches steam which is annoying when associating agk files to the ide as steam pops up everytime saying studio wants to launch with optional parameters and then does nothing. So I think TGC did something different with the ide code cause you can't even run multiple instances anymore and believe I could do that before. I can live with it but it is still annoying somewhat along with the whole thing integrated in the ide.exe file so we are stuck with just using studio's editor.
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I opened my Steam and it apparently auto-updated my copy of Studio, so I have this problem now, too.

Before starting Steam, Studio would run without it.
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i don't see a "new" version of studio. ie, nothing to roll back to @ steam (ie, 2021.12.06 is current)

looking at the ide.exe install @ C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\AppGameKit Studio and it has a 02/04/22 date... so?

then, rummaging around and i found C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\temp\1024640, there's and ide.exe that shows a 12/06/21 date which i pasted into C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\AppGameKit Studio (after renaming the 02/06/22 exe) and it seems to run without launching steam?



otherwise, this might be a steam thing? ie, are they "patching" apps? they are constantly trying to keep "hold" on things, so...

and, why the "temp"/backup version? is that normal? i have only 2 steamapps\temp folders and the other one was empty (i don't use any other steam stuff beside studio and classic so dunno).
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Don't think Steam/Value is doing anything. Looks like ide.exe changed on Jan 24th.
https://steamdb.info/depot/1024641/history/?changeid=M:790996709495353675

I don't have anything in steamapps\temp.
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Maybe someone has luck with this. I get "Depot download failed : Manifest not available"

To revert to previous manifest: Guide
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download_depot 1024640 1024641 8162597983863340851

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https://github.com/SteamRE/DepotDownloader can be used, for those who want to try.
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Quote: "orvillian commented 3 hours ago
This has been done to verify that you own AppGameKit before it launches. It's a simple layer of protection against casual piracy."


@orvillian closed this 3 hours ago
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Bad decision on TGC's account. Too bad it has been too long to ask for a refund.
Guess I'll have to crack my legal copy.
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Posted: 13th Feb 2022 22:03 Edited at: 13th Feb 2022 22:04
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Hey guys,

Appreciate the help

So I can't use the Studio IDE to test code that uses Adam Biser's AppGameKit Steam plugin because the Steam API uses the Studio IDE's App ID instead of my game's App ID.

My only options are:
a) use AppGameKit Classic IDE outside of Steam to test the code
b) compile a game exe with Studio, close Studio, launch the exe and see if the code's working
c) always crack the latest release of my own legal copy

This is really bad...


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Hi,
Looks like this is the same problem I reported further down the list - https://forum.thegamecreators.com/thread/228291 - Does any one have a solution yet, as I hate having to log into steam every time I want to start coding... Maybe we could migrate to a Non-Steam version or something...

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I contacted TGC about 30 hours ago or so. No response yet, but we'll see.
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you could just log in once and never shut the ide down

otherwise, no more talk about cracking, please?

those "in the know", already know. and, i'm afraid of where continued discussion may go (i don't mean to rhyme, it just happens!)
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Hi, OK, I will shut up. Just for your info, I just emails TGC direct for help with the following message...

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Hi, I have been having a problem over the last 2 weeks. For some reason my Steam version of Studio did a silent software upgrade and is now forcing me to log into Steam every day to program, where as before I could link directly to the ide.exe and run it outside of Steam. I don't like the fact that Steam logs all my hours using your software. Is there anything I can do to change this, or is it possible to migrate away from the Steam version with out re-purchasing it? Regards Kevin...

Maybe this will get me somewhere...
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i do wish TGC had announced the change officially. no one likes having something snuck in like this.
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@Virtual Nomad: When running the IDE within Steam, the Steam API will use the IDE's appid instead of the appid of the game being developed.
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Exactly. We can't use Adam Biser's Steam Plugin if we are forced to launch Steam with the IDE...


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Quote: "We can't use Adam Biser's Steam Plugin"

ah, i see. was that fact relayed to TGC?
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Quote: "ah, i see. was that fact relayed to TGC?"


I don't know, but I don't think so. What would be the best way to do this?


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* weird double post error *
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Once they respond, it will be brought up. I know they're busy with GameGuru Max at the moment.

Game Maker 2 Studio gets around it by having a setting to "use alternative launcher for Steam application". I doubt that TGC would go through that trouble just to make it so people can use my Steam plugin again.
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OK, didn't know that, let's give it some time then

Quote: " I doubt that TGC would go through that trouble just to make it so people can use my Steam plugin again."

Maybe, but any solution to this problem would be nice. Publishing on Steam and accessing the Steam API (at least for Achievements) is IMHO a pretty big deal

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Hi,
This is the reply I got from TGC...

Quote: " You may prefer to run Steam in offline mode. This link explains how to handle it - https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/0E18-319B-E34B-B2C8



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Michael Johnson

support@thegamecreators.com "


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Got the same response. I explained the problem this causes a bit further and am waiting to hear back.
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Would the non-steam/standalone version solve your problem? I personally never really considered the steam version exactly because it's inherently tied to steam's DRM system. Not sure what you can and cannot do to avoid the client running but users who cannot use AGK/AGK Studio the same way they could when they purchased the steam version should contact TGC for a full version as blink0k suggested. Did you guys try that?
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Being on Steam does not mean that something is inherently tied to Steam's DRM or the client.

The Steam version of AppGameKit Studio used to be DRM-free and could be run without the client. TGC added the Steam DRM to Studio in January and it can no longer be run in standalone mode.

I also asked TGC whether they will provide a DRM-free version to those who own the Steam version in my reply but haven't heard back yet. But if they're just going to give DRM-free versions to those who own the DRM'ed Steam version, it would just be easier to remove the DRM.
Strange that they seem concerned that the Steam version will be pirated but not the DRM-free version from the site.
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Thanks for the info Adam. But yeah, if they DRM-ed it in January I don't think they will undo that. Maybe they "detected" an increase in piracy of AppGameKit and the steam version was just much less problematic overall to DRM? I hope they will sort this out for you guys at least with a full version if the steam one stays DRM'ed.
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The response I got from Rick after explaining the situation:

Quote: "If you can share your Steam receipt with me I can set you up with a DRM free version that you can download from the TGC site."


At least that'll work in the long run. Still not thrilled with their decision to add DRM to the Steam version, but it's theirs to make.
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That's good news. Thank you!

I just wrote a ticket to TGC...


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The DRM-free download version was added to my TGC account earlier today.
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Hi Guys,
Just had my DRM version added also. Thanks for all the Help Guys...

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I got mine in a bundle on fanatical.com, would I be able to get the DRM-Free version?
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@Steve Ancell: You'd have to ask TheGameCreators. I hope so.
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The DRM-free download version was added to my TGC account yesterday. That was fast

Thanks Adam!
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It seems strange that TGC have only just decided to add DRM to AppGameKit when it is constantly on sale and has been sold so cheaply through Fanatical Bundles etc. I own both the Steam and TGC versions of both Classic and Studio but I only ever use the TGC versions.
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I can see this may help against casual piracy however It did annoy me somewhat although for me it's not such a big deal and I just use it in offline mode but of coarse this still requires steam to start .
It suits me though , luckily.
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Thanks to Rick Vanner for giving me access to the DRM-Free version, nice one mate.
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@Steve Ancell: Glad they did that for you.
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