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Fallout
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2004 02:31
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Computer suck goat balls.

I had a mate round early with his PC. We linked them up to play a few games but needed to grab some patches off the net. So I set up internet connection sharing on my dial up so he could download some stuff. He also showed me how to disable the built in Messenger program thats in XP. I mention this cos these are the two changes I've made.

So basically, we set up connection sharing and I disable Windows Messenger.

Now I can't connect to the internet. My modem dials (using various ISPs) and they all connect and are fine, but no programs can detect this connection, so Internet explorer cant load anything. MSN Messenger cant login, neither can ICQ.

What I have tried:
-Every setting under the sun in Exlorers Internet Options.
-Deleting internet explorer and reinstalling.
-Deleting all dial-up accounts and setting them up again.
-Removing the hardware devices for my network card, my modem and my firewire card and reinstalling.
-Removing all TCP/IPX/File sharing protocols and services and reinstalling them.
-I've also tried the Set Up Internet Connection wizard, as well as set up small home/office network wizard, plus every other wizard I could find.
-I've defined my own IP settings, as well as let them be automatically defined.
-PRetty much everything I can think of I've tinkered with.

But still, my network works. My modem dials and connects, but no programs can detect that the computer is connected to the internet, so I can't use anything.

The only stuff I haven't played with is the services.msc panel as I don't really know my way around it.

HELP!!!! This is doing my head in. Anyone have any ideas? I can't be using this sh*tty computer much longer!

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Easily Confused
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2004 02:45
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I'm going to ask what could be a very stupid question

If you have one, has something or someone mucked around with your firewall settings?

Programming anything is an art, and you can't rush art.
Unless your name is Bob Ross, then you can do it in thirty minutes.
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Fallout
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2004 02:55
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Nope, no firewall, and I've made sure the built in XP firewall is switched off.

Potentially found some useful help off google. Gonna try it now, but it looks like stuff I've mostly done already.

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Megaton Cat
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2004 03:37
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Eh...
I don't think you should go thise far but...have you tried it with a different modem? Just a suggestion...


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CattleRustler
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2004 03:49
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here's a real stupid one...
please forgive me...

Are all the wires/wiring ok ?

<cringes in corner>...

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Fallout
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2004 04:30
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hehe. Keep trying. Yes, all wiring is fine.

This is a tough problem because:
-All wiring is fine.
-The modem successfully dials and connects to the ISP. This means the hardware is all good.

The problem is simply that, for some reason the computer is not using the established internet connection. It just refuses to see it exists. A few moments a go I got it to send packets outwards, but nothing comes back. It's using this account I'm using now aswell, so it's not an ISP problem.

This really is doing my head in. I've even disabled my network and network hardware now so it cant be conflicting with that. I've also tried uninstalling internet explorer and reinstalling it, but you cant actually uninstall it. You can only remove it from the start menu, which sucks.

I'm positive the hardware is fine. It's software setting somewhere that have been f**ked up by either XP just messing itself up, or some undetected virus (although my checker is bang up to date) or data corruption. I just can't sort it though, and I dont want to reformat and install windows AGAIN. I've had enough of doing that.

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2004 04:49
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when setting up networking for XP you need to make sure of one golden rule...

DO IT MANUALLY

unfortunately unless you have a broadband connection XP is about as useful as a chocolate teapot when it comes to connecting because it disregards ALOT of information and thru-ports that the other Windows don't.

it's suppose to make your system safer, but makes it a bloody pain in the ass if you ask me.

you'll want to setup the manual settings as follows;

main system - IP 192.168.0.1 GATEWAY 255.255.255.0 DNS 0.0.0.0
external systems - IP 192.168.0.x GATEWAY 255.255.0 DNS 0.0.0.0

swap the x for 2-255 depending on the connection on the hub.
this might not work, so the next thing to do is install NetBIOS drivers.
if this STILL doesn't work, then rerun on the server machine the connection wizard. Which shouldn't actually change anything, but make sure you do the settings.

Connect Direct -> Select Modem (make sure it says the name of your modem) -> Select Network Name (MSHOME is best) then it'll want to oki everything.

Reboot that system (making sure your other systems are OFF)
The do the same as above, only Gateway Connection instead
reboot, then the final step is to go into each of the IE's to connections, and in LAN Settings make sure automatic is selected.

If this doesn't work you'll have to setup a Proxy connection on your main system.

if you need that then give a shout and i'll explain that too


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Preston C
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2004 05:01 Edited at: 2nd Jan 2004 05:02
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Quote: "He also showed me how to disable the built in Messenger program thats in XP."


Umm, maybe thats it? Who knows. Just a guess. Re-enable it.

Cheers,
Preston


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Fallout
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2004 14:21
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Arrghh. Cheers. I'll try a few of these things out, although I've done most of them in some order or other. Basically, Internet Explorer is detecting proxy settings when I load up, but it shouldnt be, cos at the moment I dont even have the network installed. All network devices are disabled, so its only got the modem.

Somewhere there are some settings that are stopping IE and anything that uses Internet Settings of detecting my dial-up. I think the clue is in the fact that IE always tries to detect proxy settings when I load it up for the first time. I've removed all settings for using proxies though. I only have 1 dial up configuration now, which I know works cos I'm using it on this computer.

-No network
-1 dial up connection

I've tried the connection set up with and without proxy server settings, with automatic and non-automatic settings checked and with pretty much every other setting tinkered with at some point.

Why does XP have to be designed in such a thouroughly sh*t way that when you change 1 setting it sends reems of problems cascading down through your settings to really f**k everything up?!?!?!

I've done all the backing-up I need now, so I'm ready to reformat and reinstall (for the second time in 2 weeks) if this is another unresolvable problem with bollocks XP. But I'm so tempted to install '98 instead. Yes, it used to crash, but I never had these sort of problems with it .... I'm thinking reinstall now using XP, and take out my aggression on those tw*ts I have to phone up to allow me to activate it again. I'll tell them how sh*t it is and that they need another job.

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Fallout
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2004 16:18
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Ahh, cheers for that. Didn't need it, cos I have a new licsense key I used so no activation problems (that's a legal licsense key before anyone gets upset about piracy ). Thanks for that anyway, I'll keep that site in mind next time XP goes tits up and I have reinstall.

Anyway, just came on to say its all working again sinse the reinstall, so it was clearly some stupid software problem/setting. Now I'm gonna spend the next day setting up drivers as usual, and updating and patching all the holes. And I'm not coming back online until I have a firewall to hide behind.

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