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Geek Culture / Rember this guy.

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IanM
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Posted: 11th Feb 2004 00:12
I thought that NT4 was limited to the Intel and Dec-Alpha platforms

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Jeku
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Posted: 11th Feb 2004 00:14
Hmm you're probably right. My company had purhased it way back when just because our network guy was also a 'Mac' guy. Turns out he never even used it


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Andy
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Posted: 11th Feb 2004 08:52 Edited at: 11th Feb 2004 14:11
Quote: "
and Andy i'm not aware of the limitations on the Alpha processors
capable to being used, as i've only used the Intel Alpha and Sun
Alpha processors.
"


Intel has never produced Alpha processors and neither has Sun.

I suspect you use Alpha as a synonym for RISC CPU, which is a problem in itself.

Quote: "
Both OSX and Windows have the ability to have the others
processors; and infact quite a few business solution versions of
the operating systems have the additional processor setups within
the kernel.
"


Frankly, I think you are confusing a boatload of issues here.

This is what Microsoft has to say about it:

Quote: "
CPU Architecture. Are you using an x86 or non-x86 CPU? If you are using an X86 CPU, you can use either Windows CE .NET or Windows XP Embedded. If you are using a non-X86 CPU, then you must use Windows CE .NET, which supports four families of microprocessors, including:
ARM. Examples of supported processors include ARM720T, ARM920T, ARM1020T, StrongARM, and XScale.
MIPS. Supported processors include MIPS II/32 with FP, MIPS II/32 without FP, MIPS16, MIPS IV/64 with FP, and MIPS IV/64 without FP.
SHx. Supported processors include SH-3, SH-3 DSP, and SH-4.
X86. Supported processors include 486, 586, Geode, and Pentium I, II, III, and IV.
"


Don't confuse embedded and desktop Windows, and don't confuse the Alpha RISC support which still exist in the NT kernel, with generic support for non-x86 architectures.

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The reason why you can't run OSX on the x86 and Windows on the PPC is simply because Microsoft and Apple have a deal.
Microsoft keeps out of Apple's domain and in return Apple have 100% Windows compatibility, Apple keep out of Microsoft's domain and in return Windows has 100% OSX compatibility.
"


Except Microsoft has moved in on Apple like never before in the last 2 years by acquiring several key emulation technologies on the PowerMAC platform.

Quote: "
I thought that NT4 was limited to the Intel and Dec-Alpha platforms
"


It was! Meanwhile the DEC Alpha became the Compaq Alpha and finally the HP Alpha and has since been cancelled... It's ironic that **the Alpha** will become the mainstay of the chinese Space program after HP has cancelled it.

EDIT: I should have written 'An Alpha derivative'


Andy
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Posted: 11th Feb 2004 14:14
I'm confused here-if the Specs change daily, then what's the point in using a RISC processor? Wouldn't it be better if they used a CISC, so that way they could just write software and not have to worry about minor changes in the hardware? Or are they trying to convert the windows Kernel, or something like that? What are they actually doing over there? Is the phantom aptly named?

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Andy
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Posted: 11th Feb 2004 22:10
Quote: "
I'm confused here-if the Specs change daily, then what's the point in using a RISC processor? Wouldn't it be better if they used a CISC, so that way they could just write software and not have to worry about minor changes in the hardware?
"


They're not using a RISC processor, and even if the specs changed hourly it wouldn't matter if they were.

The problem with specs changing is that customer #1 who got a Phantom with an AMD XP 2800+ and 256MB RAM, will most likely not be able to play the games produced a year later with the same enjoyment as customer # 1000 who got a Phantom with an AMD XP 3200+ and 2GB RAM.

Quote: "
Or are they trying to convert the windows Kernel, or something like that? What are they actually doing over there? Is the phantom aptly named?
"


They are claiming to be running a version of Windows XP embedded.

Andy

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