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John H
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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 18:04 Edited at: 22nd Feb 2004 18:05
Here it is

My nephew Mitch loves to run. Recently he participated int he Midtown Mini-Marathon, a road race in a small Kansas town near where he lives.

During the race, he paced himself in the following way:

He ran the first 50% of the distance at his normal running speed.
For the next third of the distance he increased his speed by 25%
For the final 3km of the race he again incrased his speed, this time by 20%

Given that he finished the race in 1 hour and 19 minutes, what is his normal running speed in kilometers per hour.

Could someone give an answer and a bit of an explanation on how you got it?

Its been puzzling my dad, my brother and me for the past few days, its for my brothers Math Homework.

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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 18:46
Is it basically a test of algebra? Is the algebraic version of this information something like:

79 = x(y/2) + x1.25(y/3) + x1.5(3)

where

79 = 60 mins + 19 mins
x = normal running speed
y = total distance of the marathon

*Sigh* I don't think I can do this one. Its too difficult for my poor brain.

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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 18:56
well the initial 50% plus 1/3rd (33.335)=83.33%

so the last 3km where 16.67% of the whole thing

1% of the whole distance would be 3km/16.67=0.1799

so the whole distance would be 17.99km (thats gonna be 18km)

so 9km at 100% speed

6km at 125% speed

3km at 150% speed

he does the whole thing in 1hr 19min (79 minutes)

so you can solve this in db with the following code

for i#=1.0 to 10.0 step 0.0001
if (9.0*(i#*1.0))+(6.0*(i#*1.25))+(3.0*(i#*1.5)) >=79.0 then gosub answer
next i
end

answer:
print "normal running speed=",i#
do
loop

and you get 3.762 minutes per km

so

60/3.762=15.948kmh

so the runners normal pace is 15.948kmh

or so I guess, math isn`t my strong point (and do they allow basic scripts in math class?)

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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 19:01
lol try 13km/h

will explain in a few mins

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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 19:13
Ooo excellent Martin

Thanks guys - Website said the answer was 12km/hr, so I guess martin was closest.


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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 19:22
This is a brain-teaser, I will try to come up with the answer. So far, I got 8.4

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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 19:26
strange:

9/12 = 0.75

6/(1.24 * 12) = 0.4

3/(1.5 * 12) = 1/6

0.75 + 0.4 + 1/6 = 1.316666

1.316666 * 60 = 79

or have i got somming wrong?????

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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 19:28
sh!te a typo. oh sh!te in hell. i meant 12 not 13. hell

oh well

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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 19:30
Heres what I derived from the problem...

He ran the first 50% of the distance at his normal running speed.
For the next third of the distance he increased his speed by 25%
For the final 3km of the race he again incrased his speed, this time by 20%

OK, so the race should be divided up into fractions

He ran the first 3/6 at his normal running speed
The next 2/6 he incresed his speed by 1/4
For the final 3km (Must be 1/6) he increased his speed by 1/5

So if 1/6 race = 3km, then the race MUST be 18 km long.

I just cant figure out the speeds It tried to use the

R = D/T
R = 18/79

But I didnt really get much outa that.

Any help from here?


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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 19:33
O... I got 12 too!

dt=(1/2)d+(1/3)d+3
this is our total distance

t=60+19(time)
79=(1/2)y+(1/3)y(125)+3*145
474=253y+2610
3036=253y
y=12

.: There fore the answer is 12

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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 19:34
Yep answer is 12, heres the info from the website -

Mitch's normal running speed is 12 km/hour.

If your answer doesn't match ours, think about these things:

Did you determine that the three parts of Mitch's run covered 9, 6, and 3 kilometers respectively?
Did you use a variable to represent Mitch's normal speed, then create expressions using that same variable to express his increased speeds in the second and third parts of his run?
Did you use the relationship that Distance = Rate * Time?
Did your final equation use the fact that the whole run took Mitch 1 hour and 19 minutes?
If any of those ideas help you, you might revise your answer, and then leave a comment that tells us what you did. If you're still stuck, leave a comment that tells us where you think you need help.


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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 19:34
i got it from looking at it, then checking my answer

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My brother is an idiot and needs a good explanation.


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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 19:37
Quote: "Did you determine that the three parts of Mitch's run covered 9, 6, and 3 kilometers respectively? "


Yes

Quote: "
Did you use a variable to represent Mitch's normal speed, then create expressions using that same variable to express his increased speeds in the second and third parts of his run? "


no

Quote: "
Did you use the relationship that Distance = Rate * Time?
"


Rate??? rate is value / time acroding to my trusty Advanced level physics book.

Quote: "
Did your final equation use the fact that the whole run took Mitch 1 hour and 19 minutes?
"


yup

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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 19:45
OK I sent him in on his computer so hes waiting for a response.


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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 19:46
Pirat could you explain your answer a bit? Im confused on your steps you took.


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This is RPGamers brother.

If anyone could give me an explanation for this than they would be my hero.

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2004 13:40 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2004 13:52
EDIT: lol I just realized that you've already figured it out. Just giving my explanation anyway so that you don't get discouraged from coming to the forums if you need help.

Here it is:

Remember the equation r=d/t
So we need the rate, distance, and time

We have our given--
Distance:
9km for the first half
6km for the next third
3km for the last stretch

Time:
Remember that what we are looking for is kilometers per *hour* so you have to bear in mind that the unit you use in your equation is in the hour form. 79 minutes, converted to hours, is equal to 79/60. So we have 79/60 hours in total.

Rate:
Let the normal speed = x

For the 9km part, the rate is normal, so it is x
For the 6km part, the rate, increased by 25%, is 1.25x
For the 3km part, the rate of 1.25x is increased further by 20%, so that gives us 1.20(1.25x) or simply 1.50x

What we are looking for is the rate. However, each segment of the race was completed at different times. If you think about it, the time it took to complete each segment of the race should equal to 79/60 hours when added together. I mean:

(79/60 hours) = (hours it took for the 9k segment) + (hours it took for the 6k segment) + (hours it took for the 3k segment)

So we can have a different value of time for each of the 3 segments, which when added up equals 79/60 hr.

Let:
z_1 = time in hours it took for the 9k segment
z_2 = time in hours it took for the 9k segment
z_3 = time in hours it took for the 9k segment

Using the formula r=d/t, we can derive that:
x=(9km) / (z_1)
1.25x=(6km) / (z_2)
1.50x=(3km) / (z_3)

Remember that for this problem, (79/60) = (z_1 + z_2 + z_3). So if we isolate the z variables from the last 3 equations like so...

z_1 = (9km) / (x)
z_2 = (6km) / (1.25x)
z_3 = (3km) / (1.50x)

We can substitute the (79/60 hr) = (z_1 + z_2 + z_3) equation with:

(79/60 hr) = ( (9km)/(x) ) + ( (6km)/(1.25x) ) + ( (3km) / (1.50x) )

We want to get x. How do we do that? Somehow we have to isolate x on one side of the equation. Notice that on the right side of the equation, all the x's are on the denominators. Since they have different coefficients, we cannot simply add up those 3 fractions. We can, however, use the distributive property to "bring out" the x and use it later for substitution. Take for example:

A = (B/D) + (C/2D)

is equal to:

A = (1/D) * (B + (C/2))

or:

A = (B + (C/2)) / D


Get it? so we apply the same property to the equation:

(79/60 hr) = ( (9km)/(x) ) + ( (6km)/(1.25x) ) + ( (3km) / (1.50x) )

is equal to:

(79/60 hr) = ((9km)+(6km/1.25)+(3km/1.50)) / x

We can begin isolating x by moving it to the left side, which would allow x to become part of the numerator. We can do this using simple algebra - multiply both sides by x to cancel out x on the right side and to move x on the left:

(x) * (79/60 hr) = ((9km)+(6km/1.25)+(3km/1.50))

Then divide the entire right side by (79/60 hr), once again using algebra:

(x) = ((9km)+(6km/1.25)+(3km/1.50)) / (79/60 hr)

Plug it into the calculator and what have you got?

x = (9 + 4.8 + 2)km / (1.3167)hr

x = 12 km/hr

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