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2D All the way! / some dead green guy

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Slayer
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Posted: 9th Mar 2004 01:44 Edited at: 9th Mar 2004 06:32
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I made this image in PhotoShop 7.0
took like 2hrs on and off.

plese tell me what you think. if you can, could you post some of your art.

Thanks.

http://www.freewebs.com/kingdomgames/image3.htm

I dont know how to spell
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Tapewormz
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Posted: 9th Mar 2004 07:00 Edited at: 9th Mar 2004 07:10
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I like the organic image on your freeweb site. You should post your stuff on http://www.deviantart.com/

Nice stuff. Keep it up.
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Tapewormz
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Posted: 9th Mar 2004 07:00
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Hey,

Not bad! Here's a few tips that will help you cut that 2 hours down a whole lot!!!

1) Using the paintbrush, quickly sketch (in black) your character (or whatever).

2) Create a new layer (in multiply mode) and using a paintbrush, block in your main midtone color.

3) Use the dodge/burn tool to add highlights and shadows.

4) Use the smudge tool to blend your black sketch layer.

5) Create a new layer (in multiply mode) and refine your details.

If you'd like, check out some of the stuff I've done at http://tapewormz.deviantart.com/

If you have any questions, message me.
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UnderLord
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Nice art tape and slayer nice art work as well i seem good at making logo's / 3d text of almost any kind myself with the right tools i can make some nice stuff...

Gimp better then the average joe.

The search continues.

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No,no no no...avoid the use of "Dodge" and "Burn". They simply saturate too much the image. Use colours instead.

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What is it? The torso of a green man with no face and an ear on the front, and is he a lobster person, with only 2 fingers? Is he hung up or are we looking down on him? What has this got to do with dark basic? Why did you place a link here? Also, learn some anatomy. The muscles arent "right", also look up some reference for severed flesh and entrails, because this just isnt believable. And work on your line quality, and shading technique. There is no sence of volume in this picture. If you are offended by this post, then tell me why you wanted to post the image link on a programming website.

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Pincho Paxton
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Posted: 9th Mar 2004 15:29
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It's a games site. 2D art is part of games, and so is 3D modelling, and music, and sound effects. This is the 2D section where anything 2D goes including 2D artwork. So it is in the right place. Because this is a multi-talented site, you can accept a lower level of artwork than a dedicated site for 2D artwork. People dedicated to 2D artwork can draw all day long, whereas we, talking of myself, I only draw graphics about every 8 weeks, and I am a graphic artist.

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Its the same arguments recyled from that thread where the guy posted his elf with different sized boobies isnt it Pincho? Ah, well. If somone wants to post up thier 2d images and asks for opinions then Im going to give mine. But then if he posted it up just to get praise, well then thats a bit self indulgent isnt it?

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Posted: 9th Mar 2004 15:47
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I made a general comment this time. Mainly about the Forum. The booby artwork was quite good, and was good enough for games. This green guy artwork could be improved quite a lot. It needs some highlights, and some veins would look good, and whatever other comments you want to make.

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Slayer
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Posted: 9th Mar 2004 17:36 Edited at: 9th Mar 2004 17:37
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@Tapewormz
Thats a nice looking web page. Thats going to my Favorites.

yah the image dose need to be improved alot.

also @Code Stealer I dont know why you posted.
I couldent tell you what it is, Thats what you have to tell me.
I have my own idea what it is and you have yours.

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Posted: 9th Mar 2004 17:58
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Hahaha!

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For one...the guy is probably proud of what he did and if you get some sick indulgence from knocking him down then your a sad sad man....sometimes you gotta get away from reality and drawing a non-realistic picture helps alot...if i drew that picture i'd be smacking you right now code stealer...your such a jackass...

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"For one...the guy is probably proud of what he did and if you get some sick indulgence from knocking him down then your a sad sad man....sometimes you gotta get away from reality and drawing a non-realistic picture helps alot...if i drew that picture i'd be smacking you right now code stealer...your such a jackass..."

Feel my flame attack! Luckily trolls who take flame damage cant regenerate!

No, but seriously, I just find it a bit wierd that someone should want advice on drawing on a site for programming, and that people who ask the opinion of others should expect negative feed back as well as positive. I dont think I said anthing that could be refuted. Im not lying or making stuff up. The guy needs practice in his technique. There is little contrast, no sense of volume or direction or understanding of anatomy. These things are important to the artist, and if you try to make "abstracted", non realistic or non figurative art without a grasp of the tecniques used to portray these qualities, then its very difficult to get a good image. This is my opinion, this thread is asking for opinions on the art work, not on my posts. If you disagree, then tell the artist what you think is good about his image, rather than telling me my opinion is not warrented. Also, violence and threatening language does not have a place in a civilised diologue, so please refrain from using it underlord.

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Posted: 11th Mar 2004 20:41
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Quote: "What is it? The torso of a green man with no face and an ear on the front, and is he a lobster person, with only 2 fingers? Is he hung up or are we looking down on him? What has this got to do with dark basic? Why did you place a link here? Also, learn some anatomy. The muscles arent "right", also look up some reference for severed flesh and entrails, because this just isnt believable. And work on your line quality, and shading technique. There is no sence of volume in this picture. If you are offended by this post, then tell me why you wanted to post the image link on a programming website.

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I do think that was a little harsh all i see from you is negitive stuff pal. and i wasnt threating you

Quote: "if i drew that picture i'd be smacking you right now code stealer...your such a jackass..."


maybe you should learn to understand the word IF eh?

code stealer post some of your art work and see what people think of it if anyone thrashes you maybe you'll learn to give more respect to people and not down right kick them in the face for a good attempt at something.

The search continues.

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Slayer
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Posted: 12th Mar 2004 01:31 Edited at: 12th Mar 2004 01:32
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@Code Stealer

These are like my first images using my PC. I just got PhotoShop 7.
Also you think I dont know were I mest up at.
Look at the arm its like one long thing. And for the fingers
theres not just two, your looking at the hand from its side. I hope you never play hide a seek!

This is my first human, I should have added that in my post.
If you go to the link of the dead green guy, theres also some othere
pics in there. I just cant thik of what you would say about my plant
I made, also about the hell image.

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Posted: 12th Mar 2004 11:08
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You dont need to justify yourself to me. Try instead doing some drawings from life. I find it most convenient to just ask my friends and family to stay still long enough for me to draw them. Try setting a time limit for your picture, this helps the person whos modelling for you cope with the stillness! Also, get some books on anatomy, and scetch the skeleton, then the muscle structure. It will help your understanding, which will inform your drawing. I find Leonardo`s(the artist, not the turtle!)sketches amazing, his portrayal of form is outstanding. I learned alot from trying to copy his pictures. Anyway, have fun with your drawing, and expect people to give you negative and positive comments when you post it and ask for comments!

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@Slayer
For your first work with Photoshop and your first human ever, I would have to say this is a good job. As Pincho said try to work with your contrast as far as highlights and shadows. This will add depth to your images. As Codestealer said, find some good refrences to go off of when drawing. All the pros use refrences when drawing to check anatomy, lighting, and many other things. I would even say, if you have the ability to use a scanner, draw a picture then import it into photoshop for coloring. This may be more effective depending on your abilities. Anything else I can think of at the moment has already been said as far as Photoshop goes. Keep praticeing. I'm looking foreword to seeing more of your work as you improve. ^_^

@CodeStealer
As Pincho said this is a section for anything dealing with 2D games, that includes artwork. ^_^

I don't know about you CodeStealer, but while I've been studying in college, instructors teach you that critiques are supposed to posotive and constructive not negative and destructive. You can tell someone that something is inncorrect and be constructive at the same time.

Rather than just saying that's wrong, why don't you tell them why it's wrong and a specific thing they can try doing to make it look better. When I give a crit, I always try and at least come up with one nice thing to say, even if I think it's crap. Also try leaving them with a posotive statement such as, "I'm looking foreward to seeing more of your work as you improve." Finally, try to consider that the skill level of the artist may be different from your own. I know that when I was just getting into art, it meant a lot to me what others said. So I try to be sensetive to that now that I'm a more experienced artist.

I understand your opinion that many poeple post their work looking for compliments to boost their ego, but I've also met a lot of people who get a kick out of bashing others work to boost their own egos. I'm not saying that's the case here. I'm just hopeing that you'll learn to give better critiques from the advice I have given you. I hope you understand.

Sorry for the long post and any spelling errors, it's late ^_^

Previously known as Hamada
I'm a DBC programmer so when I'm talking, that's what I'm talking about ^_^
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Posted: 15th Mar 2004 12:13
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Yes you are right, Im sorry for having caused any offence, please understand that whoever wants to draw its all about enjoying doing it, so please continue. I dont want to put people off drawing with negative comments. Please forgive me.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2004 00:19 Edited at: 16th Mar 2004 00:20
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I think it looks good Slayer , the waist looks a little narrow but I guess that would happen if your innards were ripped out, it would perhaps look better with variation in colour rather than being completely green but overall a great attempt for a first with photoshop.



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Quote: "No,no no no...avoid the use of "Dodge" and "Burn". They simply saturate too much the image. Use colours instead."


Not everyone is very good or understands how to mix colors correctly unfortunately. If I could do this, I'd paint with oils. The fact is that dodge/burn save me alot of time, and I'm not very good at blending color.
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Posted: 17th Mar 2004 03:20 Edited at: 17th Mar 2004 03:24
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Well, I like it. The perspective is just fine. The hand should look like that from that angle, those are the only fingers you would see. The only thing I would suggest is to make it brighter.

It brings to mind a victim from resident evil (or biohazzard depending on what country you live in).

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"The perspective is just fine. The hand should look like that from that angle, those are the only fingers you would see"

Never do this in a picture. It doesnt look good, it just makes the viewer think that you are bad at drawing hands. Think about posing more before you make any lines. If you find yourself having a weak pose then change something about it. Any image you make should be easy to read in its silohette form. If you cant tell what it is in silohette then you have failed.

Is the torso lying on its back? If it is then a much nicer hand pose could be achieved. Lie on your back and feel how your hand lays on the groung.

Is the torso hung up on the wall? If it is then the arm might be drawn by gravity more, and again a much nicer hand pose could be chosen.Again, act out the pose yourself to understand it better.

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Posted: 18th Mar 2004 05:10 Edited at: 18th Mar 2004 05:21
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No its just some (bizar)-(I dont know how to spell that)
image. just something that might be stuck in you head or
something when you fill sick. It wasent supose to be a image
of how well I can make a man image its something to show when you
fill like you wont to kill yourself, LOL(because thats what I wonted to do befor I made the pic)

Also I dident make the image for you to see the hand, I ment for your
eyes to see like his stumic or his head. see the holes in the stumic and the slash in the chest.

in art not all things look real. look at some of the best paintings of the world. like that one were that guy screams, they
call it scream or something, but he dosent look like a real person.
It expresses a man yelling. My image shows a guy the way I fill, This is my way of death.

I think you think im just showing this image to I guess show how good
I can do something, NO im showing my styel of death.

art is not how good you make something look, art is something to show
how good you can express something, and have otheres say "hey thats
the exact way I fill when I ....". you see art in a different way than I do.

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Posted: 18th Mar 2004 05:42 Edited at: 18th Mar 2004 05:46
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Also look at some of my other images. The hell one, dose that one look real, no because thats my way of showing soneone in hell.
Look at the flower, dose that look like a flower, No onece again
thats the way a flower looks like in my head, but not that color thow.

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Posted: 19th Mar 2004 00:14
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You have to draw what you see. If your example isn't referenced and you're going by a mental image, then go by that. If the fingers look that way in your mind, then that's just fine.

I saw your other pictures, and they looked just fine to me.
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Slayer
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Posted: 19th Mar 2004 00:38 Edited at: 19th Mar 2004 00:40
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Thanks, I just do this stuff in my free time. Im allways programing.

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Hmm, I wouldnt know what to make of your comments if I were a psycologist...

I dont think expressionism is an excuse for badly composed pictures though...

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