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Arkheii
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Posted: 27th Mar 2004 10:50 Edited at: 27th Mar 2004 10:54
http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/board/message?board.id=systemwars&message.id=2055446

I hope Carmack finds out about this and improves Doom3...


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Posted: 27th Mar 2004 11:49
the top screenshot of the game is amazing

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Quote: "the top screenshot of the game is amazing"


That's not a good thing!!! Go Doom3!!!


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Posted: 27th Mar 2004 12:50 Edited at: 27th Mar 2004 12:52
Actually, its not that wonderful. Its an old pic, its NOT Unreal3 (its from 2002) and its just a sh!tload bumpmaps (like, on everything)

I've played the e3 alpha demo of Doom3 (i still don't know how i got it) and it is so very very very good. The screenshots that have been in all the magazines are from in game, and it runs really nicely. But i warn people to not play it at night time, cos even as a demo, it still scraed the crap outta me.

Anyway, the D3 engine is amazing. I think id will have more competition from Valve with HL2.

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Posted: 27th Mar 2004 13:12
I wanna know what the physics in Doom3 is like. Can anyone describe/give me examples?


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There's GRAVITY! It's amazing! You go up, then you come down again! Totally realistic!!!

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Guess what was released last nite...
Half-Life 2 Engine Benchmark Demo; it was at GDC, but one of the guy who has taken my place (to give a talk on Shader 3.0) has emailed me it.
The 180 MB demo is pretty cool too, you don't get any control over it; but it does give you a better understanding of how th game'll perform.

Unfortunately what screws up the speed in HL2, is the physics in this new engine. The Graphics have been cut back a bit, they're not *as* amazing; that said my GeForceFX 5900 Ultra now peforms almost identically to my Radeon 9800 XT... which suggests to me that the Shader system is no longer ATi Bias.
You get taken through 3 sections of the game.
When they say it'll run on a P3-700MHz what they mean to say is that, it will run reasonably on this; provided you have a monster of a graphics card and run in fixxed-function mode.

As for Doom3; the physics in Doom3 are pretty good. I mean they're not uber-realistic, but they're fast and they do what they're suppose to. They used ODE as a base (or so goes the current rumour), which when you play the game you notice that physics has been thought about... but you can also tell that alot more attention has been put into the gameplay rather than the fancy features. Graphically, it looks good, but what'll keep you wanting to play it is the sheer fun factor, playbility and speed.
Even will full graphics my 1.2GHz P4-M w.GeForceFX 5200Go! is capable of pushing it at 60fps (the capped rate) at the 640x480 setting.
So in terms of speed and sheer polished gameplay Doom3 is a must when it is released next month

personally i'm gonna get it just for the T-Rex hehee
(i've had a glimpse of it in the beta but currently only have chapter 1 of the game)


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Posted: 27th Mar 2004 14:07
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Ignoring the fact that it'll probably only run at 2FPS, you gotta admit, it still looks darn sexy, right?


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Posted: 27th Mar 2004 14:28
Lol, look at those forums. They're full of people who just sit around and play video games, and think because of that, they know all there is to know about games.

When in fact they've probably never typed a line of code in their life...

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Posted: 27th Mar 2004 15:20
Fair point

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Really, people who can't program have a better feel for the game than those that do. I watch a lot of movies, and I know how the effects are done, it can ruin the movie. If people like doom 3, and can't program, they just like the game, and it's as simple as that.

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Lol, you hit the nail on the head Pincho. When I see or play a game, I always work out how the effects are done. It doesnt ruin it for me though, cos I think its fun ^_^

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Posted: 28th Mar 2004 00:10 Edited at: 28th Mar 2004 00:13
Quote: "There's GRAVITY! It's amazing! You go up, then you come down again! Totally realistic!!!"


lol pincho


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I will play doom in the dark for 6 hours stright when i go to sleep there will be severe nightmares about creatures that can only exist in a alternate reality.

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Quote: "When in fact they've probably never typed a line of code in their life..."

So? An old friend from work used to belong to an Amiga demo team. They were apparently fairly known for doing the usual big text scrolling demos, but also put in the silhouette dancers stuff. I had vaguely heard of them, being an Atari person. Anyhows, Rare gave them an interview. All 3 of the team members went, hoping to get programming jobs. Basically 2 of them were coders, and 1 was just a bit of a gamer who plonked together some of the graphic designs for their demos now and again. The 2 coders (including my friend) pretty much rattled on in the interview about their coding talents, and basically went on about how they loved complex flight sims, strategy games, RPGs etc etc. The other guy basically explained how he loved such games as Donkey Kong, and Mario, esp. with their hidden subtleties etc etc etc.

Obviously the third bloke got a job with Rare. Last he heard was the bloke moved to Nintendo in the US, earns *a lot*, and buys a new computer every couple of months. Nice. Apparently he worked as a games designer. Didn't get anything in a game for quite a while, but did one of the characters for Killer Instinct 2. Was a while ago though.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2004 06:03
Quote: "Its an old pic, its NOT Unreal3 (its from 2002) and its just a sh!tload bumpmaps (like, on everything)"


So does anyone actually know what it IS from, who posted it and why?


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Posted: 28th Mar 2004 12:03
isn't it the old unreal engine (2?) which was modified abit so nvidia could show off a new card?

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[B] DOOM 3 COMES OUT NEXT MONTH?!?! [/B]
or was that for an alpha or something. does anyone know the ACTUAL release date? i want!!!
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Posted: 28th Mar 2004 18:21
The second one (d00d with a chainsaw) looks odd though. It's as if the chainsaw didn't weigh a thing. Or is it in the middle of an animation?


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Well, if you look at him closely, you will see that its in the middle of an animation.

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oh man i cant WAIT TO PLAY IT!!!!!! june too far away!!
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Am I the only one that thinks the Doom series is a little... violent?

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Yes, you are the only one in the world.

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Yes

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Yeah I can't wait, but I also heard this from a friend that works at EB.
That ATI made a deal with Id software that this game will work on Radeons and not GForces and that the GForce people made a deal with Valve that Half Life 2 will only work on GForces not Radeons. Not sure if its true, but will find out when the game comes out.

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Quote: "Yeah I can't wait, but I also heard this from a friend that works at EB.
That ATI made a deal with Id software that this game will work on Radeons and not GForces and that the GForce people made a deal with Valve that Half Life 2 will only work on GForces not Radeons. Not sure if its true, but will find out when the game comes out.

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if that's true then i get halflife2 and not this game...

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Didn't they use radeon 9800 pro/xt's for their HL2 demonstrations at E3? So.. that just doesn't make much sense.. in fact, that would be the stupidest move for either company to not allow support for either card... way.. way stupid.

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Posted: 30th Mar 2004 07:07 Edited at: 30th Mar 2004 07:08
id made a deal with nVidia so Geforce comes with Doom3 I think. Carmack actually recommends the Geforce.


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Carmack recommends the GeForce because the ATI guys are the ones who leaked the Doom 3 beta! (correct me if I'm wrong)

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Yeah you're right, I bet ATI is like me and agrees that Doom 3 is just ick..

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Jeku, that's what they'd want you to believe. Cos they're pro-nVidia.

I can't believe this hype over doom 3. Cos all you get is gorey gfx. if that's what turns you on... well. I can't help it.
I'd personally rather wait for some game with Actual gameplay and something else than just point&shoot logic.
For Example, HL2 and S.T.A.L.K.E.R if we're talking about FPS games. Besides, those games have much more Graphical Style. Doom is just dark and dank and gorey. Go check out the day&night demo of stalker to see some style.

as for that screenies, it looks yucky. all same material, reaally overdone bumpmaps and Fog!


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it will not run on my Diamond Monster 3D Voodoo1 4 Mbyte PCI i tough

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