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Geek Culture / Rich, Mods, DB'ers - Beyond a joke yet?

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Van B
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I probably don't have to explain this, but the newbies with the multiple posts and spam are killing this forum.

This place needs a solution ASAP, if it isn't sorted then more and more people will abondon this place, and maybe even DB.

Please post suggestions to quickly fix the problem, and no mention of banning please - there's no point banning someone if they don't know any better.

Here's a couple of mine:

* How about letting mods move posts?
* How about a time delay between starting new posts?
* How about short term bans for misguided users, maybe even allow instant 24 hour bans from the mods.


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Posted: 6th Apr 2004 19:34 Edited at: 6th Apr 2004 19:39
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Solution=Make me a mod!

I do like that 24hr ban idea with a warning and increased ban lenght until compliance.

Come to think of it,the time between new THREADS would be great...IMO more than one thread a day and you need serious webaddiction help.

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I'm going to start deleting/locking posts for any stupid thread from now on...


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Posted: 6th Apr 2004 19:41 Edited at: 6th Apr 2004 19:42
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Quote: "Here's a couple of mine:"


Theres three points there!
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How about having a "CREDIT SYSTEM"
You can say have 5 new threads and post 20 replies and if you post you lose a "CREDIT" which takes it done to 4 (5-1=4) and the same for replies.

But the higher the level you are (eg. MOD,NEWBIE etc...) you have more credits than say 5 and 20.
And adding onto this if you make a spam post you say take your credit down?

Just to add to the confusion.
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Here's one that would make more than one person happy;

IGNORE THREADS and/Or REPLIES from specific users,that would sort out both the flames and the forum visibility for those who activate it.

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Yeah, I posted an idea like that in the improvements thing, except mods can only do it to the same person once until someone else does a ban on him (IanM could do it to...let's say me, Mr Pet Rat, and Neophyte (randomely chosen, no offence to either of you), RobK could ban me, Mr Flibble, and Cattle Rustler (no offence), indi could then do a temporary ban on me, Hzence, and Mr Flibble (no offence), now IanM could now ban me, etc., etc.)

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Thats not a bad idea

Just to add to the confusion.
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Posted: 6th Apr 2004 19:47
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Quote: "Solution=Make me a mod! "


I like this one


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*Deleted your post RichS - it was either me or a possible ban from Rich*

* How about letting mods move posts?

I don't know if Rich is going to do this in the next forum, but this could cause some problems in itself ... I move a post, a new post is made because the original disappeared ...

* How about a time delay between starting new posts?

But I might have a legitimate need to create 2 posts within say 10 minutes of each other. Shorter periods are Ok for stopping spam attacks, but not the simple-minded 'must increase my post count' mentality of a certain new member ...

* How about short term bans for misguided users, maybe even allow instant 24 hour bans from the mods.

We can only dream ... A permanent record of a temp ban would also be a good incentive to not be an ass.

* CREDIT SYSTEM

Not a chance. Rich has ruled this out several times already. Any system where anyone can give awards is open to abuse and becomes useless.

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what i mean is its like PAY AS YOU GO on mobiles. you can only post say 5 new topics a day etc.

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Thank You.

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Ah, I see, but then I'm limited in how much I can help people out, and so are others

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Can it be changed so the built-in avatars can only be used by one user at a time as RichS using a mods (RobK) avatar is really confusing.

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Posted: 6th Apr 2004 20:09 Edited at: 6th Apr 2004 20:10
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but i said
Quote: "But the higher the level you are (eg. MOD,NEWBIE etc)"

Implying that you have more posts.
Anyway whats the point in limiting mods? if you do there would be no mods and the forums would be messed up beyond repair.

[edit]
just noticed post.
will change it as RobK got there first!
sob,sob,sob
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I agree, I originally thought that was RobK, but read the sig, but I agree, I put this as a link in the How to Approve this Board(?) thing

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I know - I thought he was my bowling buddy at first ...

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is that better every1?

Just to add to the confusion.
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Posted: 6th Apr 2004 20:13
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Ok.

I remember I proposed this to RGT but didn't get much notice,still,I think it's worth taking time to look at.

One of the best forums on the internet,as far as learning material vs newbie posting ratio is concerned is,IMO spiraloid digital sculpture forum which has a strict,yet easy to follow general rule.

EVERY of your posts must include either a descriptive image OR a link that is RELEVANT to the discussion,this rules out any unecessary talk


An exception could be other sections of the forums or be tolerated as long as the discussion is pertinent to the original subject.

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I'm Ok with that ... just so long as you don't switch to my beloved Wilma.

I can't say the same for Rob though

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Posted: 6th Apr 2004 20:14 Edited at: 6th Apr 2004 20:16
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im not sure:

because if its a question or you dont have a link to the topic you are up slack alley

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had thought about wilma but chose betty instead!
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LOL ianm...is your name scrabbled so if i un-scrammble it is it sopost to spell main? or in am and can't think of any others =P

The search continues.

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If it's a question,it probably is a technicality about your game/code right?

So you could either attach code and/or a screenshot showing your problem(s)...Images DO tell more.

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See?

http://darkbasic.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=29297&b=2&p=0

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Really I think one of the biggest problems is that the moderators here are just too nice as in they are genuinely nice guys and try to find the best side of people before the bad.

I on the other hand am a little more ruthless and will just erase threads, posts, or users if they are a complete waste of resources.

It's only really General Talk that gets the bulk of the spam, the other boards are pretty well looked after imho.

Those who have tested the new board know that the flood filter works (heh), but that doesn't stop people posting once every 10 minutes. I quite like the idea that if they are a new user (signed up within the past 5 days) they are limited to the number of threads they can start in any one day. Maybe it could be locked to each board? I.e. no more than 5 new threads in 1 day in General Talk?

Suggestions welcome.

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@Acturus, So what's their Mod to Poster ratio? Unless it's very low, how can they keep that up?

I know that I have better things to do ... at least some of the time.

@UnderLord, Err ... yeah, that's it. Nothing to do with Ian being my first name and M being my last initial at all

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I don't like posts to stay on topic all the time, it's boring. Why can't we have new threads inspected before they are placed on the site? Maybe we could have more mods to cope with this situation. And spam in the middle of posts could be deleted by the original poster if they want.

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well, you need a couple of new mods to bring the ruthlessness to the board moderation...hint hint


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Inability for anyone to post more than two times in a row in a same thread.

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@Rich,

Quote: "* How about short term bans for misguided users, maybe even allow instant 24 hour bans from the mods.

We can only dream ... A permanent record of a temp ban would also be a good incentive to not be an ass."


Yes, we are probably too nice too, but I guess that's me. As PS said in Roadhouse '... but be nice, until it's time to not be nice'

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@ actarus : GREAT IDEA, it would eliminate about 2/3 of the spam we get here and since there IS an edit button AND double posting doesnt help anyone, I would back that 100%

Its really too bad that some of these spammers dont grow up and act somewhat decent, they could probably get a lot of help out of us

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Quote: "I.e. no more than 5 new threads in 1 day in General Talk?"

Do you mean posts or threads?

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He means threads

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Quote: "He means threads"

5 in one day is waaayy too many!

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I wish DBP had a cd key or something. Someway so only TGC product owners could enter the forums. Then have one board for guests to ask questions.

BTW, what happened to Red_Eye's F.A.Q?



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Hmmm......well, I've not noticed it being that bad, but I've only been posting since December.

Seems to me the easiest and most simple way is just for the Mods to be a little more agressive I've often thought that they're just too damned nice compared to some other places I visit. How about this....instead of just deleting the posts that cause annoyance which would, as someone said, just mean that the poster will just post again....how about creating a special area where posts are moved to?
If a post vanishes, the poster can check this area to see if its been nuked. This way, you won't just get a new post from the original poster who thinks the forums just went strange and killed his thread.
If he reposts, the Mods can either suspend that person for a day or two and perhaps send out an automated e-mail stating why this suspension is in effect. Repeated violations mean more suspensions and/or a ban.
This way, you don't have to clutter up the forums with locked threads to give a clue to the poster that a post was inappropriate and you also don't need to just delete them which will mean a repeated post...as they can check the special area for locked content.
As an added bonus, anyone who fancies a laugh can browse this special forum in a read-only capacity and read all the flamebait and idiocy. THis could end up on a FAQ or something so that users will know the first place to look when a thread gets killed is the special read-only forum area.

I don't think that only being able to post a certain number of times a day or whatever is a good idea. Most other forums allow you to post when you like. If you change the way forums work at the expense of the user, they'll just go elsewhere and this place'll end up for an elite few like DBDN. I also don't think that paying to post is going to work for the same reasons.

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It would also be cool if, say, somebody got a 24 hour temp ban, that a little symbol would appear next to their avatar. It's kind of a branding. If he receives two temp bans, two little symbols would appear. This would of course be permanent or maybe last for a month. Good behaviour would gradually make the symbols roll off

Of course, if somebody is temp banned more than once, he really should be perma-banned!

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I am opposed to any limitation of posts...

maybe only theads should be limited...

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Quote: "I am opposed to any limitation of posts...

maybe only theads should be limited..."


Absolutely - I couldn't agree more!

How can you help someone if you can only answer one question per day in any particular thread?
A thread limit is a good idea but not a post limit - thanks for listening

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Hi,

Yes it is getting silly.

From now on, I, and probably the other mods as well, well lock any stupid threads, after leaving a short explanatory message.

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It might be good also to have a minimum character thingy so that posts have to be at least as long as a certain amount of characters(20 or something), which will stop people posting just saying 'lol' or putting a smiley

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There should be a new forum titled "bad members"
The mods should make 1 poll-thread for each spammer/thief/etc and let other members decide what should happen to the badguy

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Dont suppose IP blocking is possible is it? Even though, people with dynamic IP's could still get round it.

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I think an "aka" feature would be interesting.

This feature adds the alternative user names that the same email and or ip address creates. This would immediately let us know of duplicate users at the bottom of each of there posts and possibly quell dual users which I cant prove but im damm sure theres a few of them around.

As for being a little more agressive, locking and or deleting posts is fine by me as well.


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Quote: "I move a post, a new post is made because the original disappeared ..."


Then in the old forum you have a link that says: "Thread Name [Moved to Team Requests]" or something like that so people know it's been moved. Maybe don't even link it and just have it as text so they knowingly have to go to the other forum to find the thread. After 48 hours or some period, that message could disappear.

Quote: "EVERY of your posts must include either a descriptive image OR a link that is RELEVANT to the discussion,this rules out any unecessary talk"


But what if you're just answering questions or offering critique on a model or discussing if you liked UT2004 because you just bought it?

Quote: "LOL ianm...is your name scrabbled so if i un-scrammble it is it sopost to spell main? or in am and can't think of any others =P"


Hmmm, I always thought it stood for his actual name (Ian Mold) but then again I could be wrong, it is a crazy world.


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The answer is simple.

Ban MMORPG's COMPLETLY. Show no mercy. No matter how talented the developer seems to be. I don't care how many offices they got in Japan or Austrailia. Just delete it.

Limit every ones ability to make a thread to 5 a month. No, don't tell me it's stupid. Normal well behaved users make around only 5 threads a month. Quit yer whinin'.

Prevent people who joined [insert today's date] to post in the team request board. The just shows noobism, and if they are really that experienced DB users they would have made a account at somepoint to go on "DBP discussion".


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Sounds like, kill the site to make it better??? People should be able to make team requests, and new threads. 5 new threads a day seems plausible for anyone. Not all the time, but it happens. New threads could be scrutinised before they go out, unless you have a certain ranking.

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To continue withe what EXEAT said limit them to the newcommers board as well for say a month

Just to add to the confusion.
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5threads/day won't limit anyone.

The general board is the main problem. along with the team request. So whatever limits there might be, it should concentrate on these parts.
I'd say that 1-2 threads max per day. on general topic and team request boards. Actually, team request board should have Even more strict rules.

IP banning is useless thesedays as almost every ISP uses DHCP coupled with NATs... so try to keep a record of the users IP with all that.


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Quote: "To continue withe what EXEAT said limit them to the newcommers board as well for say a month"


I never said that. o_O


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OOps, I meant MEGATON,

Just to add to the confusion.
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I haven't read the team request forum in months... I think it's great that such an annoying forum can be ignored like that - look, I'm not viewing the forum and I'm happy.

You could change people's status (The bit that says user, moderator etc) to something like "prick" or "spamming moron". I'm sure that would have an effect.

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